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@georgeob1,

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The result is often chaos, selective enforcement by ideologues in government, and widespread disregard for the rules both in government and among those subject to them. This does indeed inhibit our economic growth and thereby penalize everyone.

Why can't the problems caused by decades of incremental regulation and taxation be addressed, analyzed, and changed? Taxes aren't "bad" in and of themselves. The idea that we should just throw up our hands and declare that it's all too complicated to fix seems, well, "un-American".

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Income tax started out as a "small" thing in 1913, when the highest tax rate on the wealthiest was 7%--less than the average sales tax today.

Then the commies got ahold of it. When Roosevelt took office in 1932, the tax rate was raised to 63%.

In 1936 it was raised to 79%. That still wasn't enough blood-sucking to satisfy the ever-expanding federal bureaucracy.

In 1940 it was raised to 81%

By 1947 it was 86%, and that was actually down from an intervening high of 94 ******* percent in '44 and '45.

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@saab,

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How do these countries pay for certain things like: roads, schools, government employees, government buildings, railroads and airports - if existing, hospitals and a few more things.

Some of them have petroleum reserves. Some of the smaller ones basically function as off-shore tax havens. And some are just quiet places where tourism is the main industry.

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@layman,

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Income tax started out as a "small" thing in 1913 ...

In 1913, the income tax became a permanent fixture in the U.S. tax system (Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution).
It started of course a lot earlier (in 1861).

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@layman,

Any medieval king who tried to confiscate 94% of what his subjects produced would have quickly had a pitchfork-wielding mob of peasants storming his castle and his sorry carcass would have been ripped to shreds. Or 80% for that matter. Or 63%.

But commies, operating under the auspices of "democracy," have managed to escape the natural fate of greedy totalitarians, by mesmerizing the sheep, somehow.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

layman wrote:
Income tax started out as a "small" thing in 1913 ...
In 1913, the income tax became a permanent fixture in the U.S. tax system (Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution).
It started of course a lot earlier (in 1861).

Yeah, to fund the civil war--even then it was a relatively measly 3-5%. That was before it was held to be unconstitutional. Hence the need for the 16th.

It started "legally" in 1913.

This country got along just fine for well over 100 years without an income tax.

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@thack45,

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Sometimes, when something is in a hopeless state of disrepair, the only thing to do is blow it up and burn it down. Trump might just be the savior of the United States after all

You might be right. Hillary was not our savior. The same things that Trump is doing openly and shockingly ... she would have done covertly.

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@giujohn,

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The Russians have been trying to interfere with our election since the early nineteen hundreds.

It is truly unbelievable that the US and Americans point their fat little, guilty as hell fingers at Russia. That is all the US has been doing since forever, interfering in other countries elections. And much much worse, interfering, which means illegally invading other countries, slaughtering millions upon millions of innocents just to steal their wealth.

Is there anything lower than that?

No, but something equally low, murdering their own to get folks on board to support another of their myriad illegal invasions, two actually.

The jig is up, science, which never lies, tells us who done it.

As a former cop, you should have seen right thru this obvious charade, guijohn. Anybody with a thinking brain should have seen thru it.

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@layman,

layman wrote:

Any medieval king who tried to confiscate 94% of what his subjects produced would have quickly had a pitchfork-wielding mob of peasants storming his castle and his sorry carcass would have been ripped to shreds. Or 80% for that matter. Or 63%.

Anyone with a little bit knowledge of history can tell the "why" resp. "why not". Or you could use the internet to find the reason ...

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@Walter Hinteler,

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Anyone with a little bit knowledge of history can tell the "why" resp. "why not". Or you could use the internet to find the reason ...

Say what?

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@layman,

Whithout taxes: who paid for the president, the government employees, the government buildings, police, prisons, streets and roads?
How did people survive when retarded, handicapped, old, sick, out of work and other reasons for which a person is innosent?

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@layman,

Your history is full of alternate facts [Trademark - US conservatives], perfessor.

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@saab,

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Whithout taxes: who paid for the president, the government employees, the government buildings, police, prisons, streets and roads?
How did people survive when retarded, handicapped, old, sick, out of work and other reasons for which a person is innosent?

As I said, this country got along just fine for well over 100 years without an income tax. There are other ways of raising money for public (or private) projects.

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@giujohn,

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Bout ******* time. We need to turn alot of sand into glass.

This, from an ex-policeman. What things happened in your illustrious career, guijohn?

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@layman,

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As I said, this country got along just fine for well over 100 years without an income tax. There are other ways of raising money for public (or private) projects.

Like say, slave labor?

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@thack45,

Slaves built the White House. Is somebody interested in bringing slave labor into the work force? Yikes.

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@layman,

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What france needs is more muslims, eh?

oh god oh god, the commies are coming, the commies are coming!!!

That is you folks in a nutshell, layman. There is no Muslim threat, there is no radical Islam. There are a few individuals who are rightly very angry about all the illegal invasions, the murder of their kith and kin, the lies blaming them all for something none of them did.

If there truly was the threat your wild rants envision, there would be hundreds or thousands of Americans and other westerners killed daily, hourly. Remember from your nutty right wing talking points, Muslims must kill the infidels.

Why haven't all the Muslims who live next door to millions of Americans risen up in the night to do their religious duty?

You folks really are believers in the most ludicrous of fantasies, and guess who is your leader - none other the president of the phucking United States of America.

It isn't too late to start thinking, you kno w, layman, Baldimo, georgeob1, finn, McGentrix, ... ,have I missed anyone?

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@Debra Law,

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The majority of pacifists either belong to obscure religious sects or are simply humanitarians who object to taking life and prefer not to follow their thoughts beyond that point.

But there is a minority of intellectual pacifists, whose real though unacknowledged motive appears to be hatred of western democracy and admiration for totalitarianism. Pacifist propaganda usually boils down to saying that one side is as bad as the other.

But if one looks closely at the writing of the younger intellectual pacifists, one finds that they do not by any means express impartial disapproval but are directed almost entirely against Britain and the United States. (George Orwell, 1945)

I don't see Debbie complaining about the atrocities of ISIS, ya know?

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@thack45,

The US didn't maintain the largest global military presence in the World prior to WW2. Those bases in Bahrain and Diego Garcia aren't cheap. Income tax remains the fairest way of collecting revenue, that's why it's called a progressive tax.

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@Debra Law,

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Both the Republican and Democratic Parties are bought. The Democrats pretend to care ... that's the only difference. When the Democrats were in power and could have passed universal healthcare for all of us ... they sold us out to health insurance companies, (among other nefarious things the Dems have done). We must resist the corruption and reform our government.

I think this is too undiscerning of differences - differences which are acutely apparent with a Trump/Pence administration in place and with control of both houses in GOP hands. The policies we are seeing advanced now (gutting the EPA, attacks on social welfare programs, attempts to destroy the ACA, further attacks on voting rights, etc) would not have been forwarded under a Dem administration.

That said, the role of money in elections and the broad use of gerrymandering really need to be curtailed because we know the consequences of both to a functioning democracy.

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