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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
georgeob1
 
  0  
Thu 16 Mar, 2017 11:08 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

why side with Trump just because you are conservative. Its an example of political ineptitude on his behalf. Had he not opnd his bigass mouth at the very start to assert that he would "keep all Muslims outta the US" Im sure he wouldnt be faced with the "unfortunate limitations placed upon him by the US Constitution". You can blame a judge all you wish but the entirety falls upon his head for not shutting- the- ****- up when that would be the most expedient path.

Trump is very colorful, and repetitive in his speech: techniques he uses effectively to emphasize his main points and the reality of what he wants to achieve. This in part likely represents a deliberate effort to emphasize the difference between him and the vague process oriented and often deceptive circumlocutions of his predecessor. It's also a part of a style he has used or developed over his career. It vulgarian elements are easy to see, and one could wish for a more eloquent version of the same thing. That said, I'll happily take Trump's sometimes stupid exaggerations and repetition over the vague, vapid and abstract musings of his hapless and highly ineffective predecessor, for whom there never seemed to be ANY connection between words and action.

I see you're staying true to your cranky ways farmer. I've come to the conclusion that most geologists are a bit prickly and cranky like you. Certainly mine are. However I do value them.
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old europe
 
  4  
Thu 16 Mar, 2017 11:16 am
Quote:
Who Undercut President Trump’s Travel Ban? Candidate Trump

WASHINGTON — Rarely do a presidential candidate’s own words so definitively haunt his presidency.

For the second time in two months, two federal judges on Wednesday refused to allow President Trump to impose a travel ban, citing his campaign rhetoric as evidence of an improper desire to prevent Muslims from entering the United States.

The judges’ stunning rebukes were a vivid example of how Mr. Trump’s angry, often xenophobic rallying cries during the campaign — which were so effective in helping to get him elected — have become legal and political liabilities now that he is in the Oval Office.

It is a lesson that presidents usually learn quickly: Difficult and controversial issues can easily be painted as black-and-white during a long campaign, but they are often more complicated for those who are in a position to govern.

That is especially true for Mr. Trump’s bellicose remarks about immigrants, which animated his upstart presidential campaign but now threaten to get in the way of his broader agenda for a health care overhaul, tax cuts and infrastructure spending.

It all seemed so simple before.

Five days after terrorists in California killed 14 people in December 2015, Mr. Trump whipped up his supporters at a rally by vowing to impose a complete ban on entry by Muslims “until our country’s representatives can figure out what the hell is going on.”

The crowd roared its approval.

Later in the campaign, Mr. Trump backed away from calling for a total Muslim ban. But a judge in Hawaii who ruled on Wednesday appears to have concluded that Mr. Trump’s true motivations could be found by looking at his earlier remarks.

“These plainly worded statements,” wrote Judge Derrick K. Watson of Federal District Court in Honolulu, “betray the executive order’s stated secular purpose.”

Hours later, a second judge in Maryland also ruled against the core portions of the new travel ban, also citing Mr. Trump’s promise as a candidate to enact a ban on entry into the United States by Muslims.

[...]
layman
 
  -1  
Thu 16 Mar, 2017 11:20 am
The constitution directly grants the right to regulate immigration to congress, and congress is free to delegate some of that authority directly to the President if it desires. The judicial branch has no say in this, as the Supreme Court has made clear in past decisions.

Insofar as he is charged with conducting foreign affairs and protecting the nation's security, the President also has some indirect power over immigration, with or without congress's approval.

Quote:
The debate over immigration restrictions in the United States isn’t a new topic. A quick review of American immigration policies shows that legal cases over restrictions date back to the 1880s, and various groups have been barred entry to the United States since then.

A series of Supreme Court decisions has established that the political branches of the federal government—Congress and the President—share responsibility for immigration. In many cases, Congress passes immigration laws enforced by the executive branch; in other cases, the executive branch has prosecutorial discretion to implement immigration policies.

President Trump cites powers granted to him by Congress under the Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1952 as allowing the President to place temporary restrictions on immigration based on country of origin.

In the past, tests and criteria have been frequent factors in considering admission to this country. And adherents to some political and moral philosophies have consistently been barred from entry to America.

The Supreme Court ruled on the constitutionality of the Chinese Exclusion Acts in 1889 in the case of Chae Chan Ping v. United States, where the Court said that immigration matters were part of the plenary power shared by the legislative and executive branches and disputes over those laws “are not questions for judicial determination."

The Immigration Act of 1891 expanded the list of “undesirables” to include “idiots, insane persons, paupers or persons likely to become a public charge,” persons suffering from certain contagious disease, felons, persons convicted of other crimes or misdemeanors related to “moral turpitude,” and polygamists. In 1903, an immigration act signed by President Theodore Roosevelt added anarchists to the banned list and the act allowed immigration officials to ask people about their political beliefs during the questioning process.


http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2017/01/who-can-be-excluded-as-an-immigrant-to-the-united-states/
blatham
 
  4  
Thu 16 Mar, 2017 11:32 am
This is just weird.
Quote:
Secretary of State Rex Tillerson on Thursday went to bat for President Donald Trump, defending the administration's proposed cuts to the State Department's budget.

"Clearly the level of spending that the State Department has been undertaking, particularly in this past year, is simply not sustainable," Tillerson said in Tokyo, according to Reuters. "As time goes by, there will be fewer military conflicts that the U.S. will be directly engaged in."
TPM

This proposed budget jacks up spending for the Pentagon because there will be fewer military conflicts and concerns ahead? And it slashes spending for State because there's an undeniable whiff of woldwide peace in the air and because the rest of the world is noticeably more and more pro-America thus prior State functions are unnecessary? And current levels of State expenditure will maybe bankrupt the nation or maybe cause this administration to cut social welfare programs and the economics here are "simple"? And after 50 days, Tillerson is already so knowledgeable about State that he can see what prior State leaders and officials with years of experience with State could not?
blatham
 
  3  
Thu 16 Mar, 2017 11:42 am
@old europe,
Quote:
The judges’ stunning rebukes were a vivid example of how Mr. Trump’s angry, often xenophobic rallying cries during the campaign — which were so effective in helping to get him elected — have become legal and political liabilities now that he is in the Oval Office.

Unpossible. Trump is known to be a genius-level manipulator of the media. Thus axiomatically his own words delivered in public cannot be legal or political liabilities. Those words will be/must be assets.
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georgeob1
 
  0  
Thu 16 Mar, 2017 11:44 am
@layman,
Progressives rarely achieve anything worthwhile and, perhaps as a result, consistently wish to be judged on the basis of their supposed good intentions and faithful adherence to the group think/anthill view of the world they so avidly espouse. Conversely they judge as bad or evil anything that springs from those who advocate individual freedom, initiative and responsibility for themselves, family and community, regardless of the results they achieve or the good that emirates from their actions.

In keeping with this they are repelled by capitalism, notwithstanding the wealth and general prosperity it creates; and very fond of socialist reforms notwithstanding the side effects of lost freedom, reduced economic initiative, bureaucratic muddle and general poverty (or stagnation if you're lucky) that result.

I suppose it makes sense for them. Sadly it doesn't work well. Life and human nature are not very programmable, and from the tale of the Tower of Babel (told both in the Hebrew Testament and in the Sumerian Gilgamesh) to the failed Marxist experiments of the 20th century ( and perhaps the failing EU today) none of it works very well; failing always in part as a result of the hubris of its designers and the unrecognized (by them) complexities of human nature.
old europe
 
  3  
Thu 16 Mar, 2017 11:44 am
@layman,
layman wrote:
The constitution directly grants the right to regulate immigration to congress


It doesn't. Which the article you're linking actually mentions.

Whatever "rights" to regulate immigration are bestowed upon the legislative and executive branches result from the Supreme Court's interpretation of the Constitution. The Constitution itself does not grant the right to regulate immigration policy to either Congress or the White House.

But hey, who could possibly complain about activist judges legislating from the bench when you agree with the results, right?
hightor
 
  7  
Thu 16 Mar, 2017 11:45 am
@giujohn,
giujohn wrote:
But then that is the nature of blind hatred.

It's not "blind hatred" when the causes are there to be seen in plain sight.
giujohn wrote:
I defy each of those here in this forum who have expressed their hatred for Trump and his presidency to find one thing that he is proposing or has done that would benefit the United States of America, it's people, it's standing or security in the world...Just ONE.

I haven't expressed hatred for Trump so I hope that doesn't disqualify me from answering your exciting challenge. So, here goes: he retained David Shulkin from the previous administration and chose him to head the Department of Veterans Affairs.

Now, why don't you and your conservative spear carriers each find just one thing that Trump's done that you disagree with.

What's really great about Trump is that he so perfectly embodies the classic caricature of the "Ugly American". He's overweight, he's functionally illiterate, he watches too much TV, he eats his steaks well-done, he has no understanding of environmental science, his buildings and resorts are tacky, and he has a massive ego which is incommensurate with his limited personal accomplishments. What's to hate? Couldn't have picked a more stereotypical "Leader of the Free World" if I'd tried! No, not often do we get a leader who personifies every negative cliche about the US, all those characteristics which have inspired anti-American riots around the world! He's right out of Central Casting.
blatham
 
  3  
Thu 16 Mar, 2017 11:46 am
Every administration has good periods and bad periods, successes and failures.
Quote:
But this is more than a slow start; two months in, this presidency is a rolling disaster.

What’s going on? The administration isn’t failing because of some brilliant strategy on Democrats’ part. They’re being weighed down by problems of their own making. In isolation each problem would be difficult but ultimately manageable; together they’re giving the administration nothing but bad days. Let’s take them each in turn...
More here, Waldman at the WP
blatham
 
  4  
Thu 16 Mar, 2017 11:49 am
@hightor,
Quote:
He's right out of Central Casting.

I love a good closing.
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georgeob1
 
  0  
Thu 16 Mar, 2017 11:55 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

This is just weird.
Quote:
Secretary of State Rex Tillerson on Thursday went to bat for President Donald Trump, defending the administration's proposed cuts to the State Department's budget.

"Clearly the level of spending that the State Department has been undertaking, particularly in this past year, is simply not sustainable," Tillerson said in Tokyo, according to Reuters. "As time goes by, there will be fewer military conflicts that the U.S. will be directly engaged in."
TPM

This proposed budget jacks up spending for the Pentagon because there will be fewer military conflicts and concerns ahead? And it slashes spending for State because there's an undeniable whiff of woldwide peace in the air and because the rest of the world is noticeably more and more pro-America thus prior State functions are unnecessary? And current levels of State expenditure will maybe bankrupt the nation or maybe cause this administration to cut social welfare programs and the economics here are "simple"? And after 50 days, Tillerson is already so knowledgeable about State that he can see what prior State leaders and officials with years of experience with State could not?


I suspect you did a bit of selective quoting of Tillerson's remarks. He started by noting the currently high and unsustainable level of State department expenditures. What directly followed that was left out.

The fact is State department budgets have grown in the past decade while the operational effectiveness of the Department has suffered. The utter lack of competence, responsibility and accountability revealed by the security fiasco associated with the Bengasi attack is an indicator of the result. State has been highly politicized and likely corrupted by the last two Secretaries. Very likely both Trump and Tillerson weren't very impressed by the effectiveness our diplomacy in the Mideast and Europe over the past years on issues ranging from the so called Arab Spring to the "reset" with Russia and the "negotiations with Iran , among other issues. I expect the Department needs a real shakeup and will get it.
blatham
 
  3  
Thu 16 Mar, 2017 12:05 pm
I expect some of you bumped into this one yesterday
Quote:
Trump tells Michigan governor: Come take a photo “even though you didn't endorse me ... I never forget.

Ok then. We'll take him at his word.

One might presume his modern elephantine proportions facilitate this special talent but I don't think that's it.

It could be that he possesses an incredible intellectual capacity. Again, we're taking him at his word, so here's some
Quote:
“Look, if I were a liberal Democrat, people would say I’m the super genius of all time. The super genius of all time.”

“I’m, like, a really smart person.”

He has self described his mind this way on many occasions, of course. And that's cool. Einstein did it, Newton did it, Chomsky does it every two weeks like Donald so that could be it. His mind is a steel trap and it's really really big too. Huge. But my vote wouldn't be for this explanation.

He has a long history of chumming around with Mafia guys. I think he got it from them.
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blatham
 
  6  
Thu 16 Mar, 2017 12:07 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
The fact is State department budgets have grown in the past decade while the operational effectiveness of the Department has suffered.

You don't really think you can just pass of such an assertion, do you?
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layman
 
  -1  
Thu 16 Mar, 2017 12:07 pm
Back in the 1950's commies who were being booted out of the country tried to claim that the constitution gave them a right to free speech, etc.

When the Sumpreme Court heard the case, it said:

Quote:
The Court, without exception, has sustained Congress' "plenary power to make rules for the admission of aliens and to exclude those who possess those characteristics which Congress has forbidden."

"The power of Congress to exclude aliens altogether from the United States, or to prescribe the terms and conditions upon which they may come to this country, and to have its declared policy in that regard enforced exclusively through executive officers, without judicial intervention, is settled by our previous adjudications.

Policies pertaining to the entry of aliens and their right to remain here are peculiarly concerned with the political conduct of government. . But that the formulation of these policies is entrusted exclusively to Congress has become about as firmly imbedded in the legislative and judicial tissues of our body politic as any aspect of our government.

...the place to resist unwise or cruel legislation touching aliens is the Congress, not this Court."


Of course the cheese-eating Ninth Circus does not even acknowledge the existence of such supreme court decisions.
thack45
 
  2  
Thu 16 Mar, 2017 12:12 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

The problem with the donut eaters is that their entire political beliefs are based on "promises of things to come" and a total denial of things just past.

Political Azheimers.

I'm seeing a lot of probably's and if's as well
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blatham
 
  5  
Thu 16 Mar, 2017 12:16 pm
On the subject of dangerous immigrants who might even not tell officials everything about their past...
Quote:
Sebastian Gorka, President Trump’s top counter-terrorism adviser, is a formal member of a Hungarian far-right group that is listed by the U.S. State Department as having been “under the direction of the Nazi Government of Germany” during World War II, leaders of the organization have told the Forward.

The elite order, known as the Vitézi Rend, was established as a loyalist group by Admiral Miklos Horthy, who ruled Hungary as a staunch nationalist from 1920 to October 1944. A self-confessed anti-Semite, Horthy imposed restrictive Jewish laws prior to World War II and collaborated with Hitler during the conflict. His cooperation with the Nazi regime included the deportation of hundreds of thousands of Jews into Nazi hands.

...Gorka’s membership in the organization — if these Vitézi Rend leaders are correct, and if Gorka did not disclose this when he entered the United States as an immigrant — could have implications for his immigration status. The State Department’s Foreign Affairs Manual specifies that members of the Vitézi Rend “are presumed to be inadmissible” to the country under the Immigration and Nationality Act.
Forward
I understand that Trump, hearing this, has called back his team he had working in Hawaii to discover the real truth about Obama's birth place, so that they can look into this matter. They're top people. The best. They'll get to the bottom of it, believe me.
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Baldimo
 
  -1  
Thu 16 Mar, 2017 12:28 pm
@old europe,
Quote:
Whatever "rights" to regulate immigration are bestowed upon the legislative and executive branches result from the Supreme Court's interpretation of the Constitution. The Constitution itself does not grant the right to regulate immigration policy to either Congress or the White House.

But hey, who could possibly complain about activist judges legislating from the bench when you agree with the results, right?


This is blatantly false. Those powers are enumerated to the Legislative Branch, which is where all of our laws come from, the courts are not suppose to create laws.
Quote:
Article I, section 8, clause 4 of the United States Constitution expressly gives the United States Congress the power to establish a uniform rule of naturalization.
layman
 
  -1  
Thu 16 Mar, 2017 12:30 pm
@old europe,
Heh. So the constitution doesn't give congress the jurisdiction at all, it's just that the Supreme Court of the land says that's what the constitution says, eh?

The constitution grants the authority to congress. So says the Supreme Court.

Come back and tell me all about what the constitution says when you get appointed as the sole Supreme Court Justice, eh, Yurp?
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blatham
 
  6  
Thu 16 Mar, 2017 12:38 pm
Quote:
"I would build a great wall, and nobody builds walls better than me, believe me, and I’ll build them very inexpensively. I will build a great great wall on our southern border and I’ll have Mexico pay for that wall. Mark my words"

OK then, words dutifully marked.

Quote:
The Trump administration proposes to kick-start construction of a border wall with $4.1 billion in spending through 2018, an official said Wednesday.

Mick Mulvaney, director of the White House Office of Management and Budget, said the president would request $1.5 billion in a supplemental spending bill and $2.6 billion in his fiscal year 2018 budget.... Despite Trump's repeated campaign promises, the administration does not expect Mexico to pay for the wall. "It's coming out of the treasury," Mulvaney said.
Politico
Also, if you sign up for course at my university you'll get rich like I am. Believe me.
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layman
 
  -1  
Thu 16 Mar, 2017 12:38 pm
@Baldimo,
Quote:
Article I, section 8, clause 4 of the United States Constitution expressly gives the United States Congress the power to establish a uniform rule of naturalization.


Thanks for saving me the trouble of hauling that clause out myself, Baldy.
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