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camlok
 
  -2  
Mon 13 Mar, 2017 03:49 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
There's no liberty quite so thorough as being dead.


That describes perfectly the USA bringing democracy and freedom to tens of millions around the world.
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Baldimo
 
  -1  
Mon 13 Mar, 2017 03:53 pm
@camlok,
Quote:
Oh please, Baldimo, think, don't just repeat your grade three civics propaganda.

Not repeating anything, I'm point to a fact.

Quote:
You have the NSA recording our present conversation, people feeling your junk at the airport, you all came through the US education system, the most indoctrinating system on the planet

I'll agree with you on some of these points, our freedom is slipping away. Although I wouldn't consider our education system to be the most indoctrinating system in the world. I'm willing to bet your country of origin is worse then the US.

Quote:
the US government tells you when to think and when to ****, it lies its ass off, the US has more Reichstags than Hitler had troops, murdering its own to get you to support its wars. It has laws that protect the rich/Wall Street and screw you over, royally.

You have a twisted view of the US JTT. We have more govt buildings then Hilter had troops? You sure about that? Who on US soil has the govt killed to support our "wars"?
camlok
 
  -1  
Mon 13 Mar, 2017 03:57 pm
@Baldimo,
Quote:
We have more govt buildings then Hilter had troops? You sure about that?


You didn't and you don't understand.
Baldimo
 
  -1  
Mon 13 Mar, 2017 04:02 pm
@camlok,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag

You will have to pick the meaning you were going for.
blatham
 
  3  
Mon 13 Mar, 2017 04:23 pm
Let's knock off all the personal insults, shall we please.
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jcboy
 
  5  
Mon 13 Mar, 2017 04:29 pm
The ACA (Obamacare) offers disability protection (15 years worth) for respiratory-diseased coal miners. Not-so-Ironically, Trumpcare doesn't include this protection.

I bet people in West VA and OH can't wait for 2018. Cool
McGentrix
 
  -2  
Mon 13 Mar, 2017 04:29 pm
@layman,
layman wrote:

Quote:
Trump’s decision to fire Bharara ignited speculation that it was designed to blunt investigations like the Fox News probe.

Holy ****! "Speculation," you say? How upsetting! This is SERIOUS!

I've been "speculating" lately about how many dozens of people Obama must have personally murdered, ya know?

Preety-boy was treated just like every other U.S. attorney.

And was treated just exactly how republican attorneys were treated by Obama, Clinton, etc.


What?! SPECULATION?! In Politics?! Geezus H. Christ! What will they be doing next at the New York Times? Conjecturing the Trump will do something that breaks their fragile grip on humanity? Will they have a hunch? Surmise something? Create a supposition?

******* reporters are all a bunch of hacks. But, their sales sure are high! All them snowflake cheese eaters buying up 2 or 3 subscriptions each I'll bet.
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blatham
 
  2  
Mon 13 Mar, 2017 04:31 pm
Wondering about Fox coverage of the CBO report so far? It's just what you'd expect, of course.
Quote:
The network is technically correct: The CBO report projected that the AHCA would lead to a $337 billion deficit reduction. Yet as Vox’s Sarah Kliff explains, this is mostly due to cuts to entitlement programs such as Medicaid:

AHCA would be a huge cut to Medicaid. CBO estimates it would reduce spending on the health program for low-income Americans by $880 billion over the next decade. This helps explain why AHCA would reduce the deficit: the bill is spending a lot less money on entitlement programs.

About five minutes later, the network tweeted coverage numbers. But it said that only 14 million would lose coverage, a number based on CBO estimates for 2018 and not the 24 million expected to lose coverage by 2026. Moreover, the accompanying video again led with deficit reduction numbers.
Vox
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blatham
 
  2  
Mon 13 Mar, 2017 04:32 pm
@jcboy,
Thanks jcboy. I didn't know that.
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McGentrix
 
  -1  
Mon 13 Mar, 2017 04:32 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

Quote:
It's a weird mind set. We see health care as a right, like education. Making people pay for it sets them against each other. It's not a good thing.

That's the difference between Socialism and Fascism, Socialism tries to mitigate against selfish behaviour by trying to make society more equitable whilst Fascism actually celebrates selfishness and actively exploits it. The only people doing well out of this are the fat cat Wall Street insurers. We cut those people out of the picture, and instead of paying them profits the money goes into health care provision.

Spoken like a true Communist...


I've not seen truer words written on A2K, Baldimo. Good job.
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jcboy
 
  4  
Mon 13 Mar, 2017 04:32 pm
Are you ready for a bloodbath? Razz
As per Rachel Maddow, Flynn might not be going down without a legal fight. According to Flynn's lawyers, Mike Pence KNEW that Flynn was a lobbyist for Turkey when he was sitting in on Top Secret security briefings. Which is against the law for all the obvious reasons.

Get ready for fireworks, people. Razz

Maddow: Pence story on Flynn impossible to believe
McGentrix
 
  -1  
Mon 13 Mar, 2017 04:39 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

There will be lots more on this but the CBO report just came down and apparently says 14 million would lose coverage under House repeal plan in 2018 then another 10 million more in ten years (if I get this right).

So 24 million total. Nearly the population of Canada.

And, I gather, the projections are for "substantial" hikes in premiums for older people.


How are they going to lose coverage? Insurance company going to call them up? Will it be a letter from Santa? Will it be an ominous voice over in the speakers implanted in their teeth by the NSA? Why will 10 million more lose insurance in the next 10 years? Is that how many are expected to die from the Republican run death panels?

24 million.. is that speculation as well? An opinion? Someone's thought?
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McGentrix
 
  0  
Mon 13 Mar, 2017 04:40 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Quote:
"You're going to end up with great healthcare for a fraction of the price. And that's going to take place immediately." Donald Trump 2/19/16



Quote:
"If you like your health care plan, you can keep it," President Barack Obama 2009
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McGentrix
 
  0  
Mon 13 Mar, 2017 04:42 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Quote:
"The new plan is good. It's going to be inexpensive. It's going to be much better for the people at the bottom." Donald Trump. 2/18/16



izzythepush
 
  3  
Mon 13 Mar, 2017 04:42 pm
@jcboy,
Turkey is in the news right now for all the wrong reasons.

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The Netherlands has warned its citizens over travel to Turkey as a row between the countries shows no sign of abating.

Turkish attempts to hold rallies in Germany, Austria, Switzerland and the Netherlands have been blocked.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan vowed retaliation, saying: "Nazism is still widespread in the West".

German Chancellor Angela Merkel rejected the comments as unacceptable and offered the Netherlands her "full support and solidarity".

On Monday, the Dutch foreign ministry issued a new travel warning, urging its citizens in Turkey to take care and noting the new "diplomatic tensions".

The warning to "avoid gatherings and crowded places" came as Turkey's foreign ministry lodged a formal protest with the Dutch envoy.

Meanwhile, the Dutch deputy prime minister, Lodewijk Asscher, said that "to be called Nazis by a regime which is walking backwards in regards to human rights is just disgusting".
The row spilled over into the campaign for Wednesday's general election in the Netherlands, with Prime Minister Mark Rutte defending in a live TV debate his decision to stop Turkish ministers addressing Dutch Turks.

His opponent, Geert Wilders of the far-right, anti-Islam Freedom Party, said the real problem was that Turks waving Turkish flags on a Dutch street had shown where their loyalties lay.

European Union leaders called for calm.

"It is essential to avoid further escalation and find ways to calm down the situation," said a joint statement by foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini and enlargement commissioner Johannes Hahn.

The BBC's Mark Lowen, in Istanbul, says that Turkey and the Netherlands, two Nato allies, are now locked in an "unprecedented diplomatic crisis".
The proposed rallies aimed to encourage a large number of Turks living in Europe to vote Yes in a referendum on 16 April on expanding the president's powers. The plans were criticised by senior EU officials on Monday.

In Germany, for example, there are more than three million people of Turkish origin, of whom an estimated 1.4 million are eligible to vote in Turkish elections. In effect, the diaspora is Turkey's fourth-largest electoral district.

Planned rallies in Germany, Austria and the Netherlands were blocked after officials cited security concerns or said the rallies could stoke tensions.

A gathering in France went ahead, however, after officials said it did not pose a threat.

Two Turkish ministers were barred from addressing rallies in the Dutch city of Rotterdam, with one of them escorted to the German border.

Police used dogs and water cannon against protesters waving Turkish flags in Rotterdam.
Mr Erdogan likened the Netherlands to "a banana republic", demanded international organisations impose sanctions on the Netherlands, and accused countries in the West of "Islamophobia".

"I have said that I had thought that Nazism was over, but I was wrong," he said.

He later lashed out at the German chancellor.

"Mrs Merkel, why are you hiding terrorists in your country? Why are you not doing anything?" he said, in comments quoted by AFP. "Mrs Merkel, you are supporting terrorists."

Turkey has previously accused Germany of harbouring Kurdish militants and suspects wanted over the failed coup attempt of 15 July last year.

Turkey's EU affairs minister, Omer Celik, said Ankara would retaliate against the Netherlands. He later suggested reconsidering part of a deal with the EU aimed at curbing an influx of migrants, namely Turkey's efforts to prevent them crossing by land to Greece and Bulgaria.

On Monday morning, the Dutch charge d'affaires in Ankara was summoned for the third time in three days in protest against the treatment of the minister escorted to Germany and the treatment of protesters in Rotterdam.
Mr Rutte said Mr Erdogan's comment that the Dutch were "Nazi remnants" was "unacceptable", and demanded an apology.

Responding to Turkish calls for sanctions, he said the Netherlands would "never negotiate under threat".

In a news conference on Monday, Mrs Merkel said she had condemned Nazi analogies made by Mr Erdogan about Germany the previous week.

"This rejection is also valid for our allies. These comparisons are completely misguided... particularly in the Netherlands that endured so much agony through the National Socialists," she said.

"That's why the Netherlands can count on my complete support and solidarity in this."

Danish Prime Minister Lars Lokke Rasmussen said he had postponed a meeting later this month with his Turkish counterpart Binali Yildirim because "with the current Turkish attacks on Holland the meeting cannot be seen separated from that".


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39254556
camlok
 
  -1  
Mon 13 Mar, 2017 04:43 pm
@Baldimo,
I know what meaning I meant, Baldimo, or I wouldn't have written it. It's not my duty to bring you up to speed.
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blatham
 
  2  
Mon 13 Mar, 2017 04:43 pm
Kellyanne Conway does it again.
Quote:
On CNN, though, her phrasing was a bit more fraught. “I’m not Inspector Gadget,” she said. “I don’t believe people are using the microwave to spy on the Trump campaign.”

“However,” she continued, “I’m not in the job of having evidence. That’s what investigations are for. I have said many, many times throughout the week that the president is pleased that the House and Senate intelligence committees have agreed that this should be part of the investigation that already exists about Russia and the campaign, an investigation that apparently has gone nowhere so far.”


To which, Steve Benen writes:
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“I’m not in the job of having evidence” is not only an instant classic, it’s also a phrase that’s likely to do permanent damage to Conway’s reputation. If White House officials, whose salaries are paid by taxpayers, are willing to make provocative claims, they have a responsibility to substantiate them.

As the Washington Post’s report noted, “You are in the business of having evidence, Ms. Conway. You are a representative of the president of the United States, and your business is presenting accurate information to the American people on his behalf. Providing accurate information is predicated on having evidence – public or private! – to bolster the arguments you’re making.”

Once West Wing staffers start dismissing the very idea of having evidence to bolster odd claims, they’re inviting the public to discard their rhetoric as nonsense. Why listen to someone in a position of authority who believes it’s not their job to have evidence?
Benen
This is just completely crazy.
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McGentrix
 
  0  
Mon 13 Mar, 2017 04:44 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

Quote:
It's a weird mind set. We see health care as a right, like education. Making people pay for it sets them against each other. It's not a good thing.

That's the difference between Socialism and Fascism, Socialism tries to mitigate against selfish behaviour by trying to make society more equitable whilst Fascism actually celebrates selfishness and actively exploits it. The only people doing well out of this are the fat cat Wall Street insurers. We cut those people out of the picture, and instead of paying them profits the money goes into health care provision.


Sure seems like his comment was about health insurance and how it should work in the US...

You only seem to worry about people using communism correctly but no mention of Izzy's BS fascism claim? I'm disappointed Walter.


Don't let ol' Drax get to you...

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ossobucotemp
 
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Mon 13 Mar, 2017 04:48 pm
A tidbit that is somewhat aside the main sturm und drang, but still interesting to me -
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-obama-lawyers-idUSKBN16K1MP

This produced a small smile by me.

camlok
 
  -2  
Mon 13 Mar, 2017 04:49 pm
@izzythepush,
It's not a threat in France but the other three say it is a threat. How does one determine? If it goes off in France without a hitch, then where does the egg land?
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