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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 13 Mar, 2017 12:08 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:
Spoken like a true Communist...
Are you referring to your ignorance about "health care" or because you don't know what communism is?
izzythepush
 
  2  
Mon 13 Mar, 2017 12:30 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
I'd say a bit of both, the product of an education system where they're not taught how to think but told what to think.
izzythepush
 
  3  
Mon 13 Mar, 2017 12:38 pm
@blatham,
Channel 4 had a week devoted to Fake News. This is a report on it.

Quote:
Fake news, while not a new concept, is putting news brands like Channel 4 News at risk. The term is increasingly being misused, misunderstood, and undermining the confidence in trustworthy media sources. That is the position of Channel 4 as it gathered government and media officials today (7 February) to delve beneath the surface of why fake news and the social media ‘echo chamber’ is devaluing everything it stands for.

The broadcaster’s Fake News Week forms part of an industry-wide effort to nip the problem in the bud before it reaches the same scope as it has in the United States, Channel 4 opines, where truth is at greater risk under a new government that labels any media organisation that challenges it as fake news as seen by its attack on CNN.

“When the president of the United States declares something is fake news you’ve got a problem,” says Jon Snow, Channel 4 News presenter. “We are in a land of mirrors. At the very moment we are combating fake news, we are also in a situation as never before, where journalists are being challenged as to their right to express themselves.”

Placing such power in the hands of social media puts news brands in a challenging position. While Channel 4 sees the clear advantages of having a working relationship with Facebook, giving it access to a larger audience it wouldn’t have otherwise been able to reach, news editor Ben de Pear questions the value of its brand on a platform where “a kid in Macedonia can earn the same amount of money as us writing fake news”.

“There is no difference between us and anyone else, no credit or financial incentive given to us for the processes we have gone through. We are keen that there is some way to differentiate what we do from an individual in Macedonia,” he added.

While fact checking is something every news organisation has a legal obligation to do, pressure has been mounting on newsbrands to further scrutinise information before they publish in the wake of a fake news epidemic that is thought to have swayed such groundbreaking events as the US presidential election and the Brexit Referendum.

Channel 4 has been running its own lie-debunking service, FactCheck, for several years and each year it has bolstered the service to help the public understand in an ever-expanding sea of information what is true and what is not.

“We've always as journalists had to check our own facts. But now increasingly in order to do our job properly we have had to widen now to check the facts on behalf of our viewers and the users of our online service,” says Dorothy Byrne, head of news and current affairs at Channel 4.

Social media sites run by algorithms that until recently have been unable to verify the legitimacy of news have made it harder for the public to distinguish the truth from fiction, as shown by Channel 4’s own research. In a Yougov survey the broadcaster published yesterday (6 February), of those respondents that stated Facebook as their primary source of news, almost three quarters (71%) thought at least one of the fake stories was true whereas only half (47%) of those who primarily get their news from broadcasters thought this.

Channel 4’s chief marketing and communications officer Dan Brooke’s believes forcing social media to comply with a set of fact-checking standards is where the solution lies: “I don't think everyone would say mainstream media is in any way perfect, but there is a set of rules and there are a set of sanctions. Broadly speaking they do work. The issue with social media is it is the wild west. It is incredibly difficult to regulate the internet, no situation is going to be perfect. But the start of the solution has to be within the social media companies.”

Yet while many of those at the broadcaster’s gathering agreed that the responsibility lies in the hands of online behemoths to no longer act as a vehicle for fake news and establish fact-checking services in line with broadcast media’s efforts, broadcasters and publishers are still taking matters into their own hands for fear of losing the value of their brand.

One need only to look to CNN to understand why. The president of the United States has repeatedly taken aim at CNN for unfavourable coverage of his presidential campaign. But the back-and-forth clash took a serious turn when Donald Trump branded the media organisation fake news, vowing there will be “consequences” to its reporting of the unverified Russia paper and refusing to take questions from its journalists at a press conference. He went on to declare war against the media.

At the time, observers questioned whether this was the beginning of a media silencing in the country while the president’s administration arm themselves with a new way to communicate directly with the public - through social media. Trump, who according to research is one of the most frequent tweeters on the platform, cited social media as one of the reasons he won the election.

“The fact that I have such power in terms of numbers with Facebook, Twitter, Instagram etc., I think it helped me win all of these races where they’re [rival presidential candidates] spending much more money than I spent," he told CBS in an interview last year.

Rounding up the morning’s discussions, Snow eloquently called for those present from the government and media to join the fight for truth: “The biggest thing is awareness in how the world is shifting. Within the internet there are wonderful things and very dark things. We have to be aware and in our awareness develop some strategies. This is the most important period in our commitment to public broadcasting we have ever been in.”


http://www.thedrum.com/news/2017/02/07/inside-look-channel-4-s-fake-news-probe-how-lies-are-cannibalising-the-value-news
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Baldimo
 
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Mon 13 Mar, 2017 12:55 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
I understand how US health insurance works, it seems you and Izzy don't. I'm wondering if you are going to correct Izzy's misuse of the term facism... When you advocate taking control out of people's hands and putting in the hands of the govt, what else would you call it? Health insurance is just the tip of the iceberg for the lefties in the US.
layman
 
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Mon 13 Mar, 2017 12:56 pm
Preetender, the political hack, at work, eh?

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Conservative filmmaker Dinesh D’Souza claimed Monday that a newly released case file on his 2014 prosecution for violating campaign finance laws shows he was targeted under the Obama administration for "political" reasons.

n 2012, D’Souza released a movie titled “2016: Obama’s America,” which took a critical view of Obama’s allegedly radical roots. Since then, he released “America: Imagine the World Without Her” in 2014 and “Hillary's America: The Secret History of the Democratic Party” in 2016.

“It’s very interesting as it is kind of a revealing window into Bharara’s way of doing business,” he said Monday. “The first thing that’s highlighted inside my case file is that I’m a conservative, that I’m a prominent critic of the Obama administration.”

He continued: “Now this should be beside the point, but of course in Bharara’s case, it was the point.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/13/dinesh-d-souza-claims-case-file-reveals-his-prosecution-was-political.html
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camlok
 
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Mon 13 Mar, 2017 12:57 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
the product of an education system where they're not taught how to think but told what to think.


Not "they're" Izzy, you have to include you because you illustrate this idea as if it was written about you. As does farmerman, george, blatham, cicerone, McGentrix, Baldimo, Hightor, ... .

The hijacker story is utter nonsense. The implications of that touch everything, every issue that is raised in most every thread. It affects current history, all the illegal invasions, all the murdered millions, all the false accusations against the new "commies". It highlights fairly recent past history, in that it is our life history for many of us and it points up that this evil has been happening for a long time.

You sure are not taught how to think. You have been taught to be passive supporters of an evil that is deeper than that of Nazi Germany, way way more evil.

The German people were held up as terrible humans for their lack of compassion for the suffering those in the Holocaust. What are all you silent people, you are much much worse - the Germans lived in a tightly controlled society where the personal dangers for speaking out were grave, if not fatal. You people supposedly live in free and open societies.

Where is the Ike Eisenhower now, dragging the Good Americans, the Good Brits, the Good Canucks, the Good Aussies, the Good Xs to witness their participation in the new Holocaust?
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Baldimo
 
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Mon 13 Mar, 2017 12:58 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
I'd say a bit of both, the product of an education system where they're not taught how to think but told what to think.

If that were the case, I would be more like a commie and less the freedom loving guy I am. Our education system has been in the hands of the lefties for several decades now, they don't teach people how to think, they teach them what to think. Look at all the SJW's that have come out of the woodwork for the last decade or more. Hell we can't even let our kids play dodge ball in the schools anymore because someone thought it didn't condone good self-esteem building.

Izzy is the kings standard for not think for himself and just parroting what his lefty masters tell him to.
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camlok
 
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Mon 13 Mar, 2017 01:01 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
NYTimes

America is now governed by a president and party that fundamentally don’t accept the idea that there are objective facts. Instead, they want everyone to accept that reality is whatever they say it is … what’s really at stake is whether ignorance is strength, whether the man in the White House is the sole arbiter of truth.


One of the greatest purveyors of bullshit within the sea of bullshitters. The NYTs has been writing alternate facts for as long as it has been in business.

camlok
 
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Mon 13 Mar, 2017 01:06 pm
@Baldimo,
Been there, done that, Baldimo. Everyone knew it was a joke. I didn't think anyone would be so stupid as to actually advance such a dumb notion as a reality.

You do realize that the US supports a socialist/communist country in the ME, Israel, with huge subsidies right? And there are numerous communist kibbutzes all over Israel.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 13 Mar, 2017 01:06 pm
@camlok,
You're the liar here just like Trump. 70% of what Trump says are lies. Check out "Trump lies" or Politifact. It's all there.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rawstory.com/2017/03/robert-reich-trump-doesnt-just-lie-he-attacks-the-institutions-we-rely-on-as-sources-of-the-truth/amp/
Trump said "the media is the enemy of the American people." He doesn't understand the fundamental policies of a free country; freedom of the press.
He's a dangerous demagogue, because he has supporters like you.
camlok
 
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Mon 13 Mar, 2017 01:10 pm
@cicerone imposter,
It's more than 70%, Cicerone.

But you glossed over the fact that the NYT is a rag, a US propaganda machine. You gloss over everything. Why are you so heavily invested in such evil? People who murder their own just so they can get supporters like you to fund their illegal invasions.
camlok
 
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Mon 13 Mar, 2017 01:16 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
He doesn't understand the fundamental policies of a free country; freedom of the press.
He's a dangerous demagogue, because he has supporters like you.


Such wackiness. I am the one calling for the "press" to do their job and report on the bewildering array of facts and science that tell any sensible body that the alleged Arab hijackers didn't cause the collapse of the three towers. That leaves a huge - WHO DID?

I don't have the foggiest notion how it is remotely possible for you to have become so confused that you think that I support Trump.
cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 13 Mar, 2017 01:23 pm
@camlok,
If it's a "rag," provide evidence other than your personal opinion. The NYT has more credibility than you - proven by its circulation.
cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 13 Mar, 2017 01:26 pm
@camlok,
According to media fact check, their rating is HIGH. Your rating is ZERO.
camlok
 
  -1  
Mon 13 Mar, 2017 01:27 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
The NYT has more credibility than you - proven by its circulation.


This coming from a guy who can't muster enough intestinal fortitude to look at troubling facts.

Its circulation of others who love swallowing the propaganda.

Do you really want a bang up example?
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maporsche
 
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Mon 13 Mar, 2017 01:38 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

According to media fact check, their rating is HIGH. Your rating is ZERO.


I wish you'd just find the ignore button already.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 13 Mar, 2017 01:40 pm
@maporsche,
You're right, but I just want to tear down these ignorant posters with facts. Wink
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camlok
 
  -1  
Mon 13 Mar, 2017 01:43 pm
@maporsche,
You folks sure do have a giant aversion to having your fictional balloons popped.
blatham
 
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Mon 13 Mar, 2017 02:12 pm
@camlok,
Quote:
One of the greatest purveyors of bullshit within the sea of bullshitters. The NYTs has been writing alternate facts for as long as it has been in business.

Who's writing the truth? And how do you know this?
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blatham
 
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Mon 13 Mar, 2017 02:15 pm
Another conservative voice that is at least somewhat sane.
Quote:
DAVID BROOKS:

Yeah. No. Well, here's what I don't get about what's going on this week. We just had 2016, an election about the working class. Election where we learned that a lot of people are out of the job market. The social fabric is fraying. And so the lesson is pay attention and help these people.

So the Republican Party could help these people with market-based mechanisms, which I support. Do they do that? No. They have huge tax cuts for the rich. This investment income tax credit only goes to people above 250. And that has been stable in all the plans that they've come up with and thrown around.

And meanwhile they're throwing 8, 10, 15 million people off the rolls. So it's declaring war on their own voters. And then there's a wing of the party that's saying, "No, that's too much. We need to totally decimate them." So the Republican Party has to figure out, "Are we going to help our voters? Or are we still the party that, you know, we're still going to be the party of the rich?"
Meet The Press transcript
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