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maporsche
 
  3  
Thu 8 Dec, 2016 03:46 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:

The really sad thing here is that far more reduction of greenhouse gasses has been achieved, just in the last five years through natural economic processes and the search for better, cheaper tecnologies (fracking & natural gas) than has been achieved through government-mandated and subsidized programs for "renewable power" for decades.


What's really sad is that you might actually believe this.

That the 'natural economic processes' that you attribute some unclaimed percentage of benefit to would have happened organically and on it's own, instead of being spurred on by and in direct result of regulations that both restricted certain emissions, mandated new standards (such as fuel economy), or simply subsidized the cost of cleaner tech (including the ones you mentioned).

Do you think the EPA, in it's whole existence, has been a net positive, negative, or break even? If you think it's been a negative, was it bad from the get go, or was there some breaking point where it went bad?
georgeob1
 
  -2  
Thu 8 Dec, 2016 03:56 pm
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:


That the 'natural economic processes' that you attribute some unclaimed percentage of benefit to would have happened organically and on it's own, instead of being spurred on by and in direct result of regulations that both restricted certain emissions, mandated new standards (such as fuel economy), or simply subsidized the cost of cleaner tech (including the ones you mentioned).


Nonsense. The development of techniques for directional horizontal drilling and fracking vastly changed the economic /risk equation for both oil and gas exploration, yielding an enormous increase in availability, and a much lower price. In parallel with that the independent development of compound cycle gas turbine power plants enabled the rapid, low capital cost, construction of new, low operating cost, power generating plants that used this abundant lower cost gas. All of the enabling proceses and motivations here were driven by natural technological development and profit driven economic forces. Government regulation had nothing at all to do with it. Indeed much of this happened despite the active opposition of regulators.

The result was far more reduction of greenhouse gasses in this country in just a few years than has been achieved through decades of regulations and government subsidies of high cost, inefficient renewable power.
glitterbag
 
  5  
Thu 8 Dec, 2016 03:57 pm
@georgeob1,
For a man who declares another member uninteresting, you seem utterly transfixed.
Frugal1
 
  0  
Thu 8 Dec, 2016 04:09 pm
0bama's environmental overreach killed jobs & ruined lives, just another failure in his long list of failures.
georgeob1
 
  0  
Thu 8 Dec, 2016 04:11 pm
@glitterbag,
I said his motives were uninteresting and his behavior was tiresome.Try to get this stuff right.
maporsche
 
  2  
Thu 8 Dec, 2016 04:26 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:

maporsche wrote:


That the 'natural economic processes' that you attribute some unclaimed percentage of benefit to would have happened organically and on it's own, instead of being spurred on by and in direct result of regulations that both restricted certain emissions, mandated new standards (such as fuel economy), or simply subsidized the cost of cleaner tech (including the ones you mentioned).


Nonsense. The development of techniques for directional horizontal drilling and fracking vastly changed the economic /risk equation for both oil and gas exploration, yielding an enormous increase in availability, and a much lower price. In parallel with that the independent development of compound cycle gas turbine power plants enabled the rapid, low capital cost, construction of new, low operating cost, power generating plants that used this abundant lower cost gas. All of the enabling proceses and motivations here were driven by natural technological development and profit driven economic forces. Government regulation had nothing at all to do with it. Indeed much of this happened despite the active opposition of regulators.

The result was far more reduction of greenhouse gasses in this country in just a few years than has been achieved through decades of regulations and government subsidies of high cost, inefficient renewable power.


Riiiiiight George. Riiiiiight.
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cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Thu 8 Dec, 2016 04:27 pm
@Frugal1,
You don't know much of anything. Obama took over after the 2008 financial crisis, but added jobs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_created_during_U.S._presidential_terms

Where did you get your education? Did you graduated from 7th grade?
Frugal1
 
  -1  
Thu 8 Dec, 2016 04:33 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Folks that apologize for 0bama's failures are fools.
revelette1
 
  2  
Thu 8 Dec, 2016 04:39 pm
@glitterbag,
I know, it is changing him. He has become almost giddy.
Frugal1
 
  -1  
Thu 8 Dec, 2016 04:46 pm
After enduring 8 years of democrat caused decline & depression, the American people are energized by the next 4+ years with President Trump.
maporsche
 
  2  
Thu 8 Dec, 2016 04:58 pm
@Frugal1,
Frugal1 wrote:

After enduring 8 years of democrat caused decline & depression, the American people are energized by the next 4+ years with President Trump.


Well, at least a minority of American voters will be. And a huge minority of American citizens.
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Frugal1
 
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Thu 8 Dec, 2016 05:01 pm
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzHj0iTWQAMgebM.jpg:large
MontereyJack
 
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Thu 8 Dec, 2016 05:22 pm
@Frugal1,
Obama's failure doesnt exist. He wass given a Republican recessiion that was rapidly spiraling towatfd depression, and he turned it around and got America running again, far more successfully than Europe, which did not apply the Keynesian measures ObamA took. 16 million jubs were created under his administration. He took the first seps toward a rational helathcare system to cover the appalling numbers of uninsuyred, ddespite unremitting GOP aND SCOTUS hostility, now the GOP wants to repeal it , adn eight years later, they still caan't agree on a replacement, and those they've proffered will cost more and cover less. For ethe first time in 40 years, the US is a net exporter of petroleum produces, and his work has us well-started on a post-oil energy future which will also help ensure the entire world doesn't come to resemble the Sahara. Folks that think Obama was a failure are fools.
Frugal1
 
  -1  
Thu 8 Dec, 2016 05:25 pm
@MontereyJack,
No Jack, you are completely wrong on all points.
Would you like a participation trophy, or a certificate?
Frugal1
 
  -1  
Thu 8 Dec, 2016 05:27 pm
Face it, 0bama is nothing more than a Pawn that believes he is a Queen.
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georgeob1
 
  0  
Thu 8 Dec, 2016 05:38 pm
@MontereyJack,
There's no doubt about it ! The country is happier, more unified than ever before. The economy is growing robustly and new higher paying job opportunities are flooding the market , scooping up all those highly indebted colege graduates who are repaying their government-backed loans at a rapid pace. Non college educated young people are quickly finding high paying jobs in a vibrant industrial sector benefitting daily from renewed investment by American firms. Health care costs are falling and talented people are flocking to increasingly available health care professions while hospitals and service providers multiply. Our finances are in good order and national debt is well under control, no longer posing a mortal threat to our social welfare systems. Crime is low; law enforcement unchallenged, peaceful and efficient; racial relations are at a new high and public confidence secure. The world around us is at peace; our allies are confident and optimistic, our military robust and well equipped; while potential rivals are cautious and hesitant to challenge us directly. So content are the people that Democrat political control is sweeping across the country, from coast to coast and embracing all the traditional Democrat voting groups and gaining new ones apace.

Yeah, right !
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blatham
 
  2  
Thu 8 Dec, 2016 06:56 pm
This seems to be a rational and normal decision. Trump is going to remain an executive producer on The Apprentice.

He might as well. It's not as if the Presidency is a full time job. Particularly for a man so uniquely gifted as he is.
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blatham
 
  2  
Thu 8 Dec, 2016 07:08 pm
@georgeob
Word has been going around on the street that you are suspicious of my motives. What is it you suspect? Probably not that I'm working for Putin and the Ruskies. And I've only met George Soros...well, it doesn't matter exactly how many times so there's nothing to worry about there. The Clintons? If that were the case I'd have died under questionable circumstances. What is it you are thinking? I'm very curious.
blatham
 
  2  
Thu 8 Dec, 2016 07:16 pm
Quote:
Paul Volcker, the former Federal Reserve chairman who oversaw the Reagan economic boom of the 1980s, is warning that the economic advisory group being set up by President-elect Donald Trump is too stacked with CEOs and faces bureaucratic obstacles that the incoming administration may not be prepared for.

Volcker, who led a similar jobs-focused group at the outset of President Barack Obama's administration, struck a skeptical tone when asked by POLITICO about the make-up of Trump’s Strategy and Policy Forum.

“They’re all capitalists, aren’t they?” Volcker said.

Of the 16 members of the Trump forum, 14 are current or former CEOs or chairmen of large enterprises or investment firms. None of the members appear to represent small businesses or labor interests.
What the hell does this communist know?
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blatham
 
  2  
Thu 8 Dec, 2016 07:23 pm
Shhhh. Don't tell anybody.
A new Pew Research Center survey shows Trump to have the lowest approval ratings ever recorded for an incoming president Now that's a winner!
 

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