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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
oralloy
 
  -2  
Tue 22 Dec, 2020 10:29 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
Shortly thereafter SDNY is going to end him to jail.

A pardon will put a stop to that.

The long term solution is to outlaw the Democratic Party altogether.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Tue 22 Dec, 2020 10:31 pm
@oristarA,
oristarA wrote:
Did you get a magical wand that wiped out the year of 2020? The failure of Trump's leadership in combating the pandemic coronavirus has wreaked havoc on the United States, turning the promised land upside down: it is a country with the highest numbers of COVID-19 cases and deaths worldwide.

I suspect that plenty of other countries are doing just as bad per capita.

It's also Mr. Biden's fault that all these Americans are dying.

Mr. Trump on the other hand is providing the world with vaccines to end this disease.
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oralloy
 
  0  
Tue 22 Dec, 2020 10:32 pm
@oristarA,
oristarA wrote:
It sounds as if the United States in the year 2020 was led by Biden Administration. Did you create a time machine with which you've successfully changed the history?

The Democrats were working for Mr. Biden when they disrupted the government with a frivolous impeachment for the entire first month of the pandemic.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Tue 22 Dec, 2020 10:33 pm
@oristarA,
oristarA wrote:
The peculiarity of the nasty coronavirus requires a strong federal leadership to coordinate the actions of the states. No state could do it alone. Just use your common sense: President is the greatest role model for American people to follow - with the president who keeps flouting health ruels, what the people would do? Mr. Trump has made a strategic mistake in fighting the pandemic. He should be held responsible.

The Democrats are the ones who disrupted the government with a frivolous impeachment for the entire first month of the pandemic.

Mr. Trump is the one who is bringing the world vaccines to end this disease.
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MontereyJack
 
  1  
Tue 22 Dec, 2020 10:40 pm
@coldjoint,
50 dismissed court cases at all levels and SCOTUS all say there is not evidence of fraud. that argument is bullshit.Trump lost fair and square. Biden will be #46.
MontereyJack
 
  1  
Tue 22 Dec, 2020 10:46 pm
@oralloy,
SDNY is looking into trump's state crimes. Trump can only pardon federal crimes. State crimes are beyond his reach. He's gonna be toast and about damned time. And yes the long term solution is the democratic party.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Tue 22 Dec, 2020 10:58 pm
@MontereyJack,
That is incorrect. Federal prosecutors and federal courts do not deal with state crimes.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Tue 22 Dec, 2020 11:01 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

50 dismissed court cases at all levels and SCOTUS all say there is not evidence of fraud. that argument is bullshit.Trump lost fair and square. Biden will be #46.

The SCOTUS never looked at the fraud. The case was not heard. The state legislatures see plenty of fraud and they are the ones that matter.
MontereyJack
 
  1  
Tue 22 Dec, 2020 11:03 pm
@coldjoint,
the fraud exists only in the warped minds of trump asskissers, not in reality..many of the cases involved suspected fraud and the courts rejected those cases as having no merit.
MontereyJack
 
  1  
Tue 22 Dec, 2020 11:13 pm
@oralloy,
SDNY IS waiting.'
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-2020-sdny-investigation-1349868
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Tue 22 Dec, 2020 11:23 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

the fraud exists only in the warped minds of trump asskissers, not in reality..many of the cases involved suspected fraud and the courts rejected those cases as having no merit.

The cases were rejected for no standing. I would say you were lying but you are not informed enough to know what to lie about.
snood
 
  3  
Tue 22 Dec, 2020 11:33 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

MontereyJack wrote:

the fraud exists only in the warped minds of trump asskissers, not in reality..many of the cases involved suspected fraud and the courts rejected those cases as having no merit.

The cases were rejected for no standing. I would say you were lying but you are not informed enough to know what to lie about.


YOU’RE lying. That is NOT the only reason given for rejecting those cases. Some were rejected because of a failure to produce any evidence that had merit.
BillW
 
  3  
Tue 22 Dec, 2020 11:51 pm
@snood,
Not all Justices ruled under standing:
Quote:

The order states: "The State of Texas's motion for leave to file a bill of complaint is denied for lack of standing under Article III of the Constitution. Texas has not demonstrated a judicially cognizable interest in the manner in which another State conducts its elections. All other pending motions are dismissed as moot."

In a statement accompanying the order, Justices Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas said they would have allowed the case to be filed, but would grant no other relief.

"Even Justice Thomas and Alito, who might otherwise have been sympathetic to these challenges, went out of their way to express that they would grant no relief on the merits," Vladeck said.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/11/politics/supreme-court-texas-trump-biden/index.html

As a general matter, a case becomes moot when the parties no longer have an interest that can be resolved by the court's decision. ... Typically, a dispute will become moot because no issues remain that will have a real effect on the litigants.

Justices (other than Alito and Thomas) didn't even bother with case because it was so bad. The major decision/lack of a decision was written by interns! It was a backhand slap from SCOTUS.
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coldjoint
 
  0  
Wed 23 Dec, 2020 12:11 am
@snood,
snood wrote:

coldjoint wrote:

MontereyJack wrote:

the fraud exists only in the warped minds of trump asskissers, not in reality..many of the cases involved suspected fraud and the courts rejected those cases as having no merit.

The cases were rejected for no standing. I would say you were lying but you are not informed enough to know what to lie about.


YOU’RE lying. That is NOT the only reason given for rejecting those cases. Some were rejected because of a failure to produce any evidence that had merit.

Name them for me.
glitterbag
 
  4  
Wed 23 Dec, 2020 02:45 am
@coldjoint,

Name them for me.


Why?? are you too lazy to fact check? Some of these 'so-called' lawyers will be disbarred. We don't get to re-define the constitution after each election..
izzythepush
 
  4  
Wed 23 Dec, 2020 04:09 am
@glitterbag,
This is just impotent rage on the part of Trump’s lickspittles. Despite all their best efforts they’re unable to stop America’s slow slide into Democracy.
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vikorr
 
  2  
Wed 23 Dec, 2020 04:31 am
@coldjoint,
Quote:
The audits were not forensic. Can you prove they were? I doubt it. Illegal votes were recounted. Until forensic audits by an independent group not associated to a PA politician is done it is fraud.
You should be honest and say 'in your mind'. Certainly no court would agree with you on this sentiment.
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hightor
 
  5  
Wed 23 Dec, 2020 05:08 am
You might remember reading a post yesterday with a link to an article explaining why masks don't work. As usual, the post is a lie and the source is a lie.

Article claiming that “masks don’t work” misleads readers by inaccurately interpreting a withdrawn study and a published study conducted on U.S. Marine Corps recruits

Quote:

This article, written by Daniel Horowitz and published by The Blaze on 16 November 2020, claims that “masks don’t work.” To support its claim, it cites the withdrawal of a preprint (a study that has not yet been peer-reviewed or published) uploaded on the MedRxiv server, as well as a published study in the New England Journal of Medicine. The article went viral on Facebook and has received more than 14,000 interactions on the platform, according to social media analytics tool CrowdTangle.

The preprint in question is titled “Decrease in Hospitalizations for COVID-19 after Mask Mandates in 1083 U.S. Counties,” and was authored by researchers at the University of California, San Francisco (UCSF) and Massachusetts Institute of Technology. This preprint was later withdrawn. The article claims that the reason for this is because the researchers “were forced to withdraw the study ‘because there are increased rates of SARS- CoV-2 cases in the areas that we originally analyzed in this study,” and interprets this to mean that masks don’t work.

Health Feedback reached out to the study’s corresponding author, Monica Gandhi, a professor of medicine at UCSF, to assess the accuracy of the article’s claims.

In an email to Health Feedback, Gandhi clarified that, “We were ‘not forced to withdraw this study’. Our study is sound and we have done additional high-level analyses with UCSF big data scientists that clearly show that the institution of mask mandates are associated with reduced severity of disease, even when controlling for incidence (cases). We will be posting the reworked analyses shortly.”

She also added that “There is ample evidence that masks work to reduce transmission, ranging from a series of physical sciences studies to observational studies that show that universal mask wearing reduces transmission.”

In fact, the notice of withdrawal, which is clearly shown on the MedRxiv preprint, also explains in detail that the reason for the withdrawal was NOT because the data showed that masks don’t work, as the Blaze article claims:

“The authors have withdrawn this manuscript because there are increased rates of SARS- CoV-2 cases in the areas that we originally analyzed in this study. New analyses in the context of the third surge in the United States are therefore needed and will be undertaken directly in conjunction with the creators of the publicly-available databases on cases, hospitalizations, testing rates. Etc. We will be performing this in conjunction with machine learning experts at UCSF. Therefore, the authors do not wish this work to be cited as reference for the project. We hope to have an updated analysis using data from the 2nd and now 3rd wave of SARS-CoV-2 in this country soon. If you have any questions, please contact the corresponding author.”

However, Horowitz predominantly cited the first sentence in the notice, left out most of the authors’ justification for the withdrawal, and then cast the withdrawal in an inaccurate and misleading light.

Next, the Blaze article cites a published study by the New England Journal of Medicine, which was conducted on more than 3,000 U.S. Marine Corps recruits, to support its claim. The aim of the study was to determine if the public health strategy implemented by the U.S. Marine Corps for new recruits is effective in reducing the spread of COVID-19. From the study:

“The public health program implemented by the U.S. Marine Corps for all new recruits includes a period of home quarantine followed by a 2-week, strictly supervised quarantine at a closed campus, with the objective of mitigating infection among recruits. To evaluate the effectiveness of these measures, we monitored SARS-CoV-2 infections with serial real-time quantitative polymerase-chain-reaction (qPCR) assays and assessed events of virus transmission by means of phylogenetic analysis of viral genomes obtained from infected participants.”

During the supervised quarantine period, all recruits were required to “wear double-layered cloth masks at all times indoors and outdoors, except when sleeping or eating; practiced social distancing of at least 6 feet; were not allowed to leave campus; did not have access to personal electronics and other items that might contribute to surface transmission; and routinely washed their hands.”

The article claims that “The over 3,000 participants were divided into two study groups, and those who tested positive up front were removed from the group on day 1. By day 14, spread was actually greater among those in the supervised quarantine group (2.8%) than in the control group (1.7%).”

Except that the study did not divide recruits into two groups receiving different treatments, which the claim above suggests. The two main groups in the study were participants (recruits who agreed to take part in the study) and non-participants. Participants were tested at several intervals for COVID-19, whereas non-participants were only tested at the end of the supervised quarantine period. But both participants and non-participants were subjected to the supervised quarantine period and thus both groups had to abide by the same public health measures, including mask-wearing. From the study:

“Otherwise, participants and nonparticipants were not treated differently: they followed the same safety protocols, were assigned to rooms and platoons regardless of participation in the study, and received the same formal instruction.”

https://healthfeedback.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/nejm_letizia-et-al_Figure-1.png

Figure 1. The study design. Of the initial group of 3,467 Marine recruits, 1,848 joined the study and “remained in supervised quarantine,” while of the 1,619 non-participants, 1,295 “remained in supervised quarantine.”


Quote:
In other words, the study did not include a non-mask-wearing group. It was also not designed to study the effectiveness of masks. Therefore, the comparison made in the article is spurious.

The article claims that “no amount of ‘non-pharmaceutical interventions’ will arrest the spread” of COVID-19. This claim is contradicted by several published scientific studies demonstrating that non-pharmaceutical interventions, such as the wearing of face masks, physical distancing, and lockdowns, can and do reduce the spread of COVID-19, as noted by its effectiveness across multiple geographical regions, including Asia and Europe.

healthfeedback
Rebelofnj
 
  3  
Wed 23 Dec, 2020 06:21 am
Progressive Democrats signal support for Trump's new $2,000 stimulus check request, echoing past demands

Quote:
Democratic members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus reacted positively to Trump's call for $2,000 stimulus checks, a sum that several progressive members began advocating for in March.

After Trump released a meandering 10-minute-long video address in which he called for more robust stimulus checks, Democrat leaders instantly signaled that they would support the higher checks with "unanimous consent."

"Republicans repeatedly refused to say what amount the President wanted for direct checks. At last, the President has agreed to $2,000," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi tweeted. "Let's do it!" she added.

The current stimulus bill, which Trump criticized and signalled he would reject unless checks were increased, calls for $600 for each American making under $75,000 a year.

"Let's do it. @RashidaTlaib and I already co-wrote the COVID amendment for $2,000 checks, so it's ready to go. Glad to see the President is willing to support our legislation." Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez tweeted.

Ocasio-Cortez called for $2,000 stimulus checks when the pandemic began in March and reiterated that call last week. "We can pass $2k checks this week if the Senate GOP agrees to stand down," Ocasio-Cortez added.

https://www.businessinsider.com/progressives-boost-call-for-2000-checks-after-trump-signals-support-2020-12
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Ragman
 
  1  
Wed 23 Dec, 2020 07:21 am
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

One big reason why Trump did win the fraudulent election. He is for stealing from the citizen. Black ,white, or brown.
 

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