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@McGentrix,

Our town in the heart of Silicon Valley has a minimum wage of $13/hour. But the cost of living is very high, so people making minimum wage wouldn't be able to rent here.

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@McGentrix,

McGentrix wrote:

The thing about manufacturing jobs is that a lot of people can do them. They are, no malice intended, low skill jobs.

That's totally different to the situation here, manufacturing workers are highly skilled - not only due the mandatory three years apprenticeship and vocational school what is done in every job.

At least some in the USA have a slightly different opinion to McG's as well:

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[...]There are 12.3 million manufacturing workers in the United States, accounting for 9 percent of the workforce. ...
In 2015, the average manufacturing worker in the United States earned $81,289 annually, including pay and benefits. The average worker in all nonfarm industries earned $63,830. ...

Source[/b]

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@Walter Hinteler,

McGentrix is a scientist, Walter. Is it a good thing to demean scientists?

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@camlok,

What do you do for a living Camlok? Are you a scientist?

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

McGentrix wrote:
The thing about manufacturing jobs is that a lot of people can do them. They are, no malice intended, low skill jobs.

That's totally different to the situation here, manufacturing workers are highly skilled - not only due the mandatory three years apprenticeship and vocational school what is done in every job.

At least some in the USA have a slightly different opinion to McG's as well:

Quote:
[...]There are 12.3 million manufacturing workers in the United States, accounting for 9 percent of the workforce. ...
In 2015, the average manufacturing worker in the United States earned $81,289 annually, including pay and benefits. The average worker in all nonfarm industries earned $63,830. ...
Source[/b]

There are varying degrees of manufacturing jobs Walter.

The easiest jobs to do are the first ones to go.
The ones that have gone, are apparently the ones McG wants back.

Also, you can't look at unionized manufacturing jobs (which is where the $81,000 came from). Any job that comes back to the USA would come back in the lowest waged places and state with the easiest to bust unions. Rest assured that this would be true.

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@Baldimo,

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What do you do for a living Camlok? Are you a scientist?

Come here,

https://able2know.org/topic/369947-1

and you will be able to discover all sorts of things.

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@camlok,

Does this mean you are a 9-11 scientist? I'm honestly interested in what you do for a living, no more 9-11 side steps.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

McGentrix wrote:
The thing about manufacturing jobs is that a lot of people can do them. They are, no malice intended, low skill jobs.

That's totally different to the situation here, manufacturing workers are highly skilled - not only due the mandatory three years apprenticeship and vocational school what is done in every job.

At least some in the USA have a slightly different opinion to McG's as well:

Quote:
[...]There are 12.3 million manufacturing workers in the United States, accounting for 9 percent of the workforce. ...
In 2015, the average manufacturing worker in the United States earned $81,289 annually, including pay and benefits. The average worker in all nonfarm industries earned $63,830. ...
Source[/b]

What is different than my opinion Walter? Do you think that my opinion is that there are no manufacturing jobs in America or that people get paid to do them?

Please tell me what my opinion is so I can know.

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@McGentrix,

I don't that manufacturing jobs are such that a lot of people can do them. I don't think especially that they are low skill jobs.

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@McGentrix,

Quote McGentrix:

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You need to bear in mind that a large part of society, part of which I am in agreement with, wants Trump to succeed because we agree with what he wants to do..we want less crime....

Can Trump get us of these things? Probably not but I can certainly tell you one thing, the Democrats will get us NONE of those things.

What a crock. The Democrats have been lowering the murder rate for decades, the Republican presidents have at best kept it stable, at worst watched it soar.

Here are the stats for the murder rate per 100,000 inhabitants under the last four presidents:

George Bush 41..................increased 9.4% (in only 4 years)
Bill Clinton..........................declined 40.8%
George W. Bush 43..............declined 1.8%
Barack Obama, (to 2015)....declined 9.5%

Trump would do well to even approach the drop in murder rates which have occurred under Bill Clinton's and Barack Obama's stewardship. But Trump ran on the lie that crime and murder rates were going up under Democratic leadership and it worked for him. Now you are repeating the lie, even though I have pointed out the drop in murder rates under Clinton and Obama often. Shame on you.

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A Dangerous Time for the Press and the Presidency

The article is very moving and eloquent plus kind of alarming in describing the direction Trump is going with the press.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

I don't that manufacturing jobs are such that a lot of people can do them. I don't think especially that they are low skill jobs.

The kind McG wants to bring back are indeed low skill. Think of soldering work on Made in USA TVs or maybe sewing work in clothing manufacturing.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

I don't that manufacturing jobs are such that a lot of people can do them. I don't think especially that they are low skill jobs.

What is that you are manufacturing in Germany that you need a 3 year apprenticeship?

When I say low-skill, what do you imagine I have in mind?

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In the federal facility where I work the guy who cleans the toilets gets $14 an hour. If the minimum wage goes to 15 and that 14 goes to 20, what do the think the union for the guy who makes 20 is gonna say. And what do you think I'm gonna say when that guy getting getting 20 is now getting closer to my 30?

And that big Mac will be $10.

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@giujohn,

giujohn wrote:

And that big Mac will be $10.

Or it would go from $3.99 to $4.16....but you know...details (they always mess up a good sounding argument)

https://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2015/Q3/study-raising-wages-to-15-an-hour-for-limited-service-restaurant-employees-would-raise-prices-4.3-percent.html

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@maporsche,

At least you guys are starting to be honest in your assessments. It has been said in the past that raising the min wage would not result in prices going up.

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@McGentrix,

McGentrix wrote:

What is that you are manufacturing in Germany that you need a 3 year apprenticeship?

Today, there are over 330 apprenticeships in many different areas in Germany (down from more than 1,000 because several were combined).

The things being manufactured go from aerospace over locomotives to watches.

As an aside: apprenticeships varies between 2 and 3 1/2 years depending on the profession. For instance, an apprenticeship at MacD or similar just lasts two years while the one to become an industrial mechanic lasts 3 1/2, without specialisation.

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@maporsche,

maporsche wrote:

giujohn wrote:

And that big Mac will be $10.

Or it would go from $3.99 to $4.16....but you know...details (they always mess up a good sounding argument)

https://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2015/Q3/study-raising-wages-to-15-an-hour-for-limited-service-restaurant-employees-would-raise-prices-4.3-percent.html

Is that the sandwich or the meal? Big Mac sandwich is already $4.59 in upstate NY and they haven't raised min wage yet. The meal is $7.50ish after tax.

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@Baldimo,

Baldimo wrote:

At least you guys are starting to be honest in your assessments. It has been said in the past that raising the min wage would not result in prices going up.

"You guys" surely doesn't include me. I would never say such a thing.

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@maporsche,

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"You guys" surely doesn't include me. I would never say such a thing.

It was meant in the general "you guys" form, not you personally.

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