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revelette3
 
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Sat 12 Dec, 2020 02:41 pm
Another Trump-Appointed Judge Rejects Another of the President’s Meritless Post-Election Lawsuits
ADAM KLASFELDDec 12th, 2020, 2:01 pm 47


Quote:
Soon-to-be-former President Donald Trump has time and again touted his stacking of the judiciary with hundreds of lifetime appointments, but those judges have resoundingly rejected meritless post-election lawsuits brought by Trump and his allies. That happened again in Wisconsin federal court.

“This is an extraordinary case,” U.S. District Judge Brett Ludwig wrote in a 23-page ruling on Saturday. “A sitting president who did not prevail in his bid for reelection has asked for federal court help in setting aside the popular vote based on disputed issues of election administration, issues he plainly could have raised before the vote occurred. This Court has allowed plaintiff the chance to make his case and he has lost on the merits.”

“In his reply brief, plaintiff ‘asks that the Rule of Law be followed,'” Ludwig observed.

“It has been,” he concluded.
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Sat 12 Dec, 2020 02:42 pm
@coldjoint,
ItIS over..
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Sat 12 Dec, 2020 02:42 pm
@Rebelofnj,
Rebelofnj wrote:

GOP leaders in 4 states quash dubious Trump bid on electors

Quote:
Republican leaders in four critical states won by President-elect Joe Biden say they won’t participate in a legally dubious scheme to flip their state’s electors to vote for President Donald Trump. Their comments effectively shut down a half-baked plot some Republicans floated as a last chance to keep Trump in the White House.

State GOP lawmakers in Arizona, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin have all said they would not intervene in the selection of electors, who ultimately cast the votes that secure a candidate’s victory. Such a move would violate state law and a vote of the people, several noted.




The state law is moot if they change their minds. The legislature has plenary power. Politicians are famous for changing their minds. You article is from a month ago, a lot has changed.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Sat 12 Dec, 2020 02:43 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

coldjoint wrote:
Oh the drama, oh the rhetoric, oh the stupidity.
While 'rhetoric' indeed is one of the three ancient arts of discourse, you misquoted the other two.



Indeed. Stop trolling it is beneath you.
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MontereyJack
 
  2  
Sat 12 Dec, 2020 02:45 pm
@coldjoint,
they're not going to change their minds. none of your fantasy will happen. biden is our next president. the end of the story.
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Sat 12 Dec, 2020 02:49 pm
@revelette3,
revelette3 wrote:

Another Trump-Appointed Judge Rejects Another of the President’s Meritless Post-Election Lawsuits
ADAM KLASFELDDec 12th, 2020, 2:01 pm 47


Quote:
Soon-to-be-former President Donald Trump has time and again touted his stacking of the judiciary with hundreds of lifetime appointments, but those judges have resoundingly rejected meritless post-election lawsuits brought by Trump and his allies. That happened again in Wisconsin federal court.

“This is an extraordinary case,” U.S. District Judge Brett Ludwig wrote in a 23-page ruling on Saturday. “A sitting president who did not prevail in his bid for reelection has asked for federal court help in setting aside the popular vote based on disputed issues of election administration, issues he plainly could have raised before the vote occurred. This Court has allowed plaintiff the chance to make his case and he has lost on the merits.”

“In his reply brief, plaintiff ‘asks that the Rule of Law be followed,'” Ludwig observed.

“It has been,” he concluded.


The judge has no memory. Trump warned of massive fraud with mail in voting long before the election. Was he supposed to bring his opinion to a court? The judge is afraid of what the media would do to him if he ruled for Trump..
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Rebelofnj
 
  2  
Sat 12 Dec, 2020 02:57 pm
@coldjoint,
Pa. Electoral College voters to choose Biden Monday

Quote:
Amid a raging pandemic and simmering post-election tensions, 20 Democratic Electoral College appointees are scheduled to gather in the state Capitol on Monday at noon to cast Pennsylvania’s 20 electoral votes for President-elect Joe Biden and Vice President-elect Kamala Harris.

“I’m definitely looking forward to it — even under these stressful times with the pandemic,” said Allegheny County resident Nancy Patton Mills, the chairwoman of the Pennsylvania Democratic Party and the state Electoral College delegation.


11 December 2020
snood
 
  2  
Sat 12 Dec, 2020 03:03 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

Quote:
Just STFU and face the reality. you lost.

Not a chance. It is not over yet. Trump still has a legal pathway and it looks better everyday.


So... Trump’s chances of overturning the 2020 election are good right now?

coldjoint
 
  0  
Sat 12 Dec, 2020 03:08 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

ItIS over..

For you? It has been for quite a while.
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Rebelofnj
 
  2  
Sat 12 Dec, 2020 03:09 pm
@coldjoint,
All from 11 December 2020
Arizona's presidential electors vote Monday
Quote:
Arizona's 11 presidential electors will cast their votes Monday for President-elect Joe Biden in a ceremony that ordinarily is an unremarkable formality.

But just as President Donald Trump has turned the process of politicians signing election results into must-watch affairs for a certain set of the politically curious, this year's event has taken on particular significance as he continues to dispute his defeat at the ballot box.


After Michigan presidential electors convene, Electoral College votes head to Congress
Quote:
On Monday, Michigan's presidential electors will convene in Lansing to cast the state's Electoral College votes for President-elect Joe Biden.

Monday marks the final step to convert the state's popular vote in the presidential contest into its Electoral College votes. The 16 presidential electors, representing Michigan's 14 congressional districts and two Senate seats, will sign certificates indicating their vote for president and vice president.


From 12 December 2020
Who are Wisconsin's electors? These are the 10 people who'll cast the state's Electoral College votes Dec. 14.
Quote:
Joe Biden has been certified the winner of Wisconsin, carrying the state with a margin of more than 20,000 votes. With his win comes the receipt of the state's 10 Electoral College votes.

Because of Biden's win, Democratic electors will be the ones casting the electoral votes on Wisconsin's behalf Dec. 14
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coldjoint
 
  0  
Sat 12 Dec, 2020 03:09 pm
@Rebelofnj,
Rebelofnj wrote:

Pa. Electoral College voters to choose Biden Monday

Quote:
Amid a raging pandemic and simmering post-election tensions, 20 Democratic Electoral College appointees are scheduled to gather in the state Capitol on Monday at noon to cast Pennsylvania’s 20 electoral votes for President-elect Joe Biden and Vice President-elect Kamala Harris.

“I’m definitely looking forward to it — even under these stressful times with the pandemic,” said Allegheny County resident Nancy Patton Mills, the chairwoman of the Pennsylvania Democratic Party and the state Electoral College delegation.



11 December 2020

It is Saturday and she is a Democrat.
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coldjoint
 
  0  
Sat 12 Dec, 2020 03:10 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:

coldjoint wrote:

Quote:
Just STFU and face the reality. you lost.

Not a chance. It is not over yet. Trump still has a legal pathway and it looks better everyday.


So... Trump’s chances of overturning the 2020 election are good right now?



Read the posts and you won't have to ask questions.
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snood
 
  2  
Sat 12 Dec, 2020 03:13 pm
Do y’all think CJ really believes the **** he is saying? I mean things like - Trump’s legal chances to overturn the election are “getting better everyday”?

It doesn’t really matter whether he believes it or not.If he does, he’s dangerously delusional (a danger to himself- I don’t see him as having much consequence to others). If he doesn’t believe it, he’s a bitterly disturbed character who gets some kind of thrill out of these endless empty exchanges.

But I am curious about what the rest of you think.

izzythepush
 
  2  
Sat 12 Dec, 2020 03:17 pm
@snood,
I don’t read him, but he’s a vile little Nazi and rather dim so he could believe anything.

He’s all mouth and trousers anyway.
BillW
 
  2  
Sat 12 Dec, 2020 03:22 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

I don’t read him, but he’s a vile little Nazi and rather dim so he could believe anything.

He’s all mouth and trousers anyway.

I don't read her either, totally nuts and lies as much as theRump, whenever she converses. The crying and temper tantrums made me turn her off!
farmerman
 
  4  
Sat 12 Dec, 2020 03:29 pm
@BillW,
i BET SOME CASH WITH PINKY AND IT PROBABLY WONT PAY OFF EVEN THOUGH the election is now WAAAY OVER.

i THINK ITS A PIKER WHO IS AS DISHONEST AND SCURRILOUS AS IS ITS LLEADER PLUMP.
Rebelofnj
 
  3  
Sat 12 Dec, 2020 03:33 pm
@snood,
I'm just bored, and I want see just if cj will ever accept Trump's loss.
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BillW
 
  3  
Sat 12 Dec, 2020 03:44 pm
A big lie (German: große Lüge) is a propaganda technique. The expression was coined by Adolf Hitler, when he dictated his 1925 book Mein Kampf, about the use of a lie so "colossal" that no one would believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously". Hitler believed the technique was used by Jews to blame Germany's loss in World War I on German general Erich Ludendorff, who was a prominent nationalist and antisemitic political leader in the Weimar Republic. According to The New York Times in 1943, Hitler's biggest lie, among many, many told, was that Germany was not beaten in 1918.[1]

Hitler's use of the expression Edit
The source of the big lie technique is this passage, taken from Chapter 10 of James Murphy's translation of Mein Kampf (the quote is one paragraph in Murphy's translation and in the German original):

But it remained for the Jews, with their unqualified capacity for falsehood, and their fighting comrades, the Marxists, to impute responsibility for the downfall precisely to the man who alone had shown a superhuman will and energy in his effort to prevent the catastrophe which he had foreseen and to save the nation from that hour of complete overthrow and shame. By placing responsibility for the loss of the world war on the shoulders of Ludendorff they took away the weapon of moral right from the only adversary dangerous enough to be likely to succeed in bringing the betrayers of the Fatherland to Justice.

All this was inspired by the principle—which is quite true within itself—that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods.

It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying.

— Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, vol. I, ch. X[2]
Goebbels's use of the expression Edit
Though the following supposed quotation of Joseph Goebbels has been repeated in numerous books and articles and on thousands of web pages, none of them has cited a primary source. According to the research and reasoning of Randall Bytwerk, it is an unlikely thing for Goebbels to have said.[3]

If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

It is verified that Goebbels did put forth a theory which has come to be more commonly associated with the expression "big lie". Goebbels wrote the following paragraph in an article dated 12 January 1941, 16 years after Hitler's first use of the phrase. The article, titled Aus Churchills Lügenfabrik (English: "From Churchill's Lie Factory") was published in Die Zeit ohne Beispiel.

The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.[4]

Holocaust Edit
See also: Jewish war conspiracy theory
Jeffrey Herf maintains that Goebbels and the Nazis used the big lie to turn long-standing anti-semitism into mass murder.[5] Herf argues that the big lie was a narrative of an innocent, besieged Germany striking back at an "international Jewry", which it said started World War I. The propaganda repeated over and over the claim that a conspiracy of Jews was the real power in Britain, Russia and the United States. It went on to state that the Jews had begun a "war of extermination" against Germany, and so Germany had a duty and a right to "exterminate" and "annihilate" the Jews in self-defense.[6]

Usage in Hitler's psychological profile Edit
The phrase was also used in a report prepared during the war by the United States Office of Strategic Services in describing Hitler's psychological profile:[7]

His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it. (CIA)[8]

The above quote appears in the report, A Psychological Analysis of Adolph Hitler: His Life and Legend, by Walter C. Langer,[8][9] which is available from the US National Archives. [10] A somewhat similar quote appears in Analysis of the Personality of Adolph Hitler: With Predictions of His Future Behaviour and Suggestions for Dealing with Him Now and After Germany's Surrender, by Henry A. Murray, October 1943:[11]

Never to admit a fault or wrong; never to accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time; blame that enemy for everything that goes wrong; take advantage of every opportunity to raise a political whirlwind.


Big Lie --Wikipedia
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Sat 12 Dec, 2020 03:51 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

I don’t read him, but he’s a vile little Nazi and rather dim so he could believe anything.

He’s all mouth and trousers anyway.

Says the guy without the sand to talk directly to me. We know Blatham is a liar and you are a coward.
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Sat 12 Dec, 2020 03:56 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:

Do y’all think CJ really believes the **** he is saying? I mean things like - Trump’s legal chances to overturn the election are “getting better everyday”?

It doesn’t really matter whether he believes it or not.If he does, he’s dangerously delusional (a danger to himself- I don’t see him as having much consequence to others). If he doesn’t believe it, he’s a bitterly disturbed character who gets some kind of thrill out of these endless empty exchanges.

But I am curious about what the rest of you think.



I think you are woefully lacking in the ability to cast judgement on anyone. And it shows in the extremes you go to discredit someone who simply thinks you are full of ****. That is the way it goes guy.
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