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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
BillW
 
  3  
Sat 12 Dec, 2020 01:26 pm
@Rebelofnj,
Rebelofnj wrote:

Not sure why Trump expected the 3 Justices he appointed to be loyal to him and help him, regardless of everything. Now that they are in the Court, Trump really can't do anything to remove them.

It's interesting that Alito opined, . “I would therefore grant the motion to file the bill of complaint but would not grant other relief,” Justice Alito wrote, “and I express no view on any other issue.” and, Thomas agreed with him! They didn't have to say anything. They just said, "STFU AH!".
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coldjoint
 
  -3  
Sat 12 Dec, 2020 01:38 pm
@oristarA,
oristarA wrote:

Quote:
It hasn't yet, there are still legal ways for Trump to win.


No way. With fifty lawsuits about the election having lost in a row, now Trump whines the Superme Court has shut the door on his future efforts.

Quote:
Lest we forget, we have the most important earthly factor on our side: The truth. As long as this is still the United States of America, the truth has an opportunity to shine through in the end.


Everyone in the world knows that Trump has anything but the truth.


Really? I would think everyone knows the media lied for four years about Russia. Trump told the truth. There was no collusion and no evidence. Something they knew when the investigation started. These are the same people asking you to believe a braindead senile corrupt career politician and a whore got more votes than anyone in history. If you are stupid enough to believe that it is on you.

Do not think for a minute the majority of people believe this election was fair. It is just another lie repeated over and over. You are perpetuating the lie yourself and should be ashamed.
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Sat 12 Dec, 2020 01:42 pm
@revelette3,
revelette3 wrote:

Trump raised firing Barr in White House meeting on Friday

It's a good thing we don't live in medieval times, can you imagine Trump with absolute power to order anyone to get their head's chopped off? Also silly folks would go right along with it. Oh, I will be so (elongated 'so') glad when he is at least gone from the White House. I am tired of hearing about him. My husband watches fox news all the time and even he is tired of hearing about Trump and the election. Pretty sure he voted for him too.

Obama sent drones that killed American citizens. Can you imagine that? You do not have to, it happened. Obama sat by while Christians were massacred in Nigeria. Obama sold weapons to the Muslim Brotherhood that ended up in the hands of ISIS. If Trump could chop heads off Obama's would be the first to land in the basket.
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coluber2001
 
  4  
Sat 12 Dec, 2020 01:42 pm
A Political Obituary for Donald Trump

George Packer

© Provided by The Atlantic
Photo Rendering by Patrick White
This article was published online on December 9, 2020.

To assess the legacy of Donald Trump’s presidency, start by quantifying it. Since last February, more than a quarter of a million Americans have died from COVID-19—a fifth of the world’s deaths from the disease, the highest number of any country. In the three years before the pandemic, 2.3 million Americans lost their health insurance, accounting for up to 10,000 “excess deaths”; millions more lost coverage during the pandemic. The United States’ score on the human-rights organization Freedom House’s annual index dropped from 90 out of 100 under President Barack Obama to 86 under Trump, below that of Greece and Mauritius. Trump withdrew the U.S. from 13 international organizations, agreements, and treaties. The number of refugees admitted into the country annually fell from 85,000 to 12,000. About 400 miles of barrier were built along the southern border. The whereabouts of the parents of 666 children seized at the border by U.S. officials remain unknown.

Trump reversed 80 environmental rules and regulations. He appointed more than 220 judges to the federal bench, including three to the Supreme Court—24 percent female, 4 percent Black, and 100 percent conservative, with more rated “not qualified” by the American Bar Association than under any other president in the past half century. The national debt increased by $7 trillion, or 37 percent. In Trump’s last year, the trade deficit was on track to exceed $600 billion, the largest gap since 2008. Trump signed just one major piece of legislation, the 2017 tax law, which, according to one study, for the first time brought the total tax rate of the wealthiest 400 Americans below that of every other income group. In Trump’s first year as president, he paid $750 in taxes. While he was in office, taxpayers and campaign donors handed over at least $8 million to his family business.

America under Trump became less free, less equal, more divided, more alone, deeper in debt, swampier, dirtier, meaner, sicker, and deader. It also became more delusional. No number from Trump’s years in power will be more lastingly destructive than his 25,000 false or misleading statements. Super-spread by social media and cable news, they contaminated the minds of tens of millions of people. Trump’s lies will linger for years, poisoning the atmosphere like radioactive dust.

Presidents lie routinely, about everything from war to sex to their health. When the lies are consequential enough, they have a corrosive effect on democracy. Lyndon B. Johnson deceived Americans about the Gulf of Tonkin incident and everything else concerning the Vietnam War. Richard Nixon’s lifelong habit of prevaricating gave him the nickname “Tricky Dick.” After Vietnam and Watergate, Americans never fully recovered their trust in government. But these cases of presidential lying came from a time when the purpose was limited and rational: to cover up a scandal, make a disaster disappear, mislead the public in service of a particular goal. In a sense, Americans expected a degree of fabrication from their leaders. After Jimmy Carter, in his 1976 campaign, promised, “I’ll never lie to you,” and then pretty much kept his word, voters sent him back to Georgia. Ronald Reagan’s gauzy fictions were far more popular.

Trump’s lies were different. They belonged to the postmodern era. They were assaults against not this or that fact, but reality itself. They spread beyond public policy to invade private life, clouding the mental faculties of everyone who had to breathe his air, dissolving the very distinction between truth and falsehood. Their purpose was never the conventional desire to conceal something shameful from the public. He was stunningly forthright about things that other presidents would have gone to great lengths to keep secret: his true feelings about Senator John McCain and other war heroes; his eagerness to get rid of disloyal underlings; his desire for law enforcement to protect his friends and hurt his enemies; his effort to extort a foreign leader for dirt on a political adversary; his affection for Kim Jong Un and admiration for Vladimir Putin; his positive view of white nationalists; his hostility toward racial and religious minorities; and his contempt for women.

The most mendacious of Trump’s predecessors would have been careful to limit these thoughts to private recording systems. Trump spoke them openly, not because he couldn’t control his impulses, but intentionally, even systematically, in order to demolish the norms that would otherwise have constrained his power. To his supporters, his shamelessness became a badge of honesty and strength. They grasped the message that they, too, could say whatever they wanted without apology. To his opponents, fighting by the rules—even in as small a way as calling him “President Trump”—seemed like a sucker’s game. So the level of American political language was everywhere dragged down, leaving a gaping shame deficit.

Trump’s barrage of false-hoods—as many as 50 daily in the last fevered months of the 2020 campaign—complemented his unconcealed brutality. Lying was another variety of shamelessness. Just as he said aloud what he was supposed to keep to himself, he lied again and again about matters of settled fact—the more brazen and frequent the lie, the better. Two days after the polls closed, with the returns showing him almost certain to lose, Trump stood at the White House podium and declared himself the winner of an election that his opponent was trying to steal.

This crowning conspiracy theory of Trump’s presidency activated his entitled children, compliant staff, and sycophants in Congress and the media to issue dozens of statements declaring that the election was fraudulent. Following the mechanism of every big lie of the Trump years, the Republican Party establishment fell in line. Within a week of Election Day, false claims of voter fraud in swing states had received almost 5 million mentions in the press and on social media. In one poll, 70 percent of Republican voters concluded that the election hadn’t been free or fair.

So a stab-in-the-back narrative was buried in the minds of millions of Americans, where it burns away, as imperishable as a carbon isotope, consuming whatever is left of their trust in democratic institutions and values. This narrative will widen the gap between Trump believers and their compatriots who might live in the same town, but a different universe. And that was Trump’s purpose—to keep us locked in a mental prison where reality was unknowable so that he could go on wielding power, whether in or out of office, including the power to destroy.

For his opponents, the lies were intended to be profoundly demoralizing. Neither counting them nor checking facts nor debunking conspiracies made any difference. Trump demonstrated again and again that the truth doesn’t matter. In rational people this provoked incredulity, outrage, exhaustion, and finally an impulse to crawl away and abandon the field of politics to the fantasists.

For believers, the consequences were worse. They surrendered the ability to make basic judgments about facts, exiling themselves from the common framework of self-government. They became litter swirling in the wind of any preposterous claim that blew from @realDonaldTrump. Truth was whatever made the world whole again by hurting their enemies—the more far-fetched, the more potent and thrilling. After the election, as charges of voter fraud began to pile up, Matthew Sheffield, a reformed right-wing media activist, tweeted: “Truth for conservative journalists is anything that harms ‘the left.’ It doesn’t even have to be a fact. Trump’s numerous lies about any subject under the sun are thus justified because his deceptions point to a larger truth: that liberals are evil.”

How did half the country—practical, hands-on, self-reliant Americans, still balancing family budgets and following complex repair manuals—slip into such cognitive decline when it came to politics? Blaming ignorance or stupidity would be a mistake. You have to summon an act of will, a certain energy and imagination, to replace truth with the authority of a con man like Trump. Hannah Arendt, in The Origins of Totalitarianism, describes the susceptibility to propaganda of the atomized modern masses, “obsessed by a desire to escape from reality because in their essential homelessness they can no longer bear its accidental, incomprehensible aspects.” They seek refuge in “a man-made pattern of relative consistency” that bears little relation to reality. Though the U.S. is still a democratic republic, not a totalitarian regime, and Trump was an all-American demagogue, not a fascist dictator, his followers abandoned common sense and found their guide to the world in him. Defeat won’t change that.

Trump damaged the rest of us, too. He got as far as he did by appealing to the perennial hostility of popular masses toward elites. In a democracy, who gets to say what is true—the experts or the people? The historian Sophia Rosenfeld, author of Democracy and Truth, traces this conflict back to the Enlightenment, when modern democracy overthrew the authority of kings and priests: “The ideal of the democratic truth process has been threatened repeatedly ever since the late eighteenth century by the efforts of one or the other of these epistemic cohorts, expert or popular, to monopolize it.”

Monopoly of public policy by experts—trade negotiators, government bureaucrats, think tankers, professors, journalists—helped create the populist backlash that empowered Trump. His reign of lies drove educated Americans to place their faith, and even their identity, all the more certainly in experts, who didn’t always deserve it (the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, election pollsters). The war between populists and experts relieved both sides of the democratic imperative to persuade. The standoff turned them into caricatures.

Trump’s legacy includes an extremist Republican Party that tries to hold on to power by flagrantly undemocratic means, and an opposition pushed toward its own version of extremism. He leaves behind a society in which the bonds of trust are degraded, in which his example licenses everyone to cheat on taxes and mock affliction. Many of his policies can be reversed or mitigated. It will be much harder to clear our minds of his lies and restore the shared understanding of reality—the agreement, however inconvenient, that A is A and not B—on which a democracy depends.

But we now have the chance, because two events in Trump’s last year in office broke the spell of his sinister perversion of the truth. The first was the coronavirus. The beginning of the end of Trump’s presidency arrived on March 11, 2020, when he addressed the nation for the first time on the subject of the pandemic and showed himself to be completely out of his depth. The virus was a fact that Trump couldn’t lie into oblivion or forge into a political weapon—it was too personal and frightening, too real. As hundreds of thousands of Americans died, many of them needlessly, and the administration flailed between fantasy, partisan incitement, and criminal negligence, a crucial number of Americans realized that Trump’s lies could get someone they love killed.

The second event came on November 3. For months Trump had tried frantically to destroy Americans’ trust in the election—the essence of the democratic system, the one lever of power that belongs undeniably to the people. His effort consisted of nonstop lies about the fraudulence of mail-in ballots. But the ballots flooded into election offices, and people lined up before dawn on the first day of early voting, and some of them waited 10 hours to vote, and by the end of Election Day, despite the soaring threat of the virus, more than 150 million Americans had cast ballots—the highest turnout rate since at least 1900. The defeated president tried again to soil our faith, by taking away our votes. The election didn’t end his lies—nothing will—or the deeper conflicts that the lies revealed. But we learned that we still want democracy. This, too, is the legacy of Donald Trump.

This article appears in the January/February 2021 print edition with the headline “The Legacy of Donald Trump.”

coldjoint
 
  -3  
Sat 12 Dec, 2020 01:44 pm
@coluber2001,
Quote:
Provided by The Atlantic

Laughing Laughing Laughing Anymore from Mary Trump? Laughing Laughing Laughing
Rebelofnj
 
  3  
Sat 12 Dec, 2020 01:49 pm
@coldjoint,
Quote:
Anymore from Mary Trump?


Glad you asked:
Mary Trump’s next book probes ‘America’s national trauma’ under Trump presidency

Quote:

Donald Trump’s niece Mary Trump has more to say about her uncle and the effects of his presidency and will do so in her second book.

Due July 20, 2021, “The Reckoning” will “examine America’s national trauma” and the “mental health crisis” she says his administration induced following the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic, her new publisher, St. Martin’s Press, announced Tuesday.

“The Reckoning” follows her debut bestseller and bombshell exposé, “Too Much and Never Enough: How My Family Created the World’s Most Dangerous Man.” The contested tell-all offered an empathetic but scathing portrayal of the sitting president and set a record for Simon & Schuster on its first day of release in July by selling nearly 1 million copies.

As with her first book, Trump will draw on her clinical psychology background and firsthand experience as a member of the infamous family to study the Trump administration’s effect on the American psyche. In the publisher’s announcement, she concluded that her uncle transformed the U.S. “into a macro version of my malignantly dysfunctional family.”

“For four years, Donald Trump has inflicted a series of traumas upon the American people, targeting anyone he perceived as the ‘other’ as an enemy,” Trump said in the publisher’s statement. “Women were discounted and derided, the sick were dismissed as weak and unworthy of help, immigrants and minorities were demonized and discriminated against, and money was elevated above all else. Finally, he demonstrated his stunning lack of concern for the American people with his willful mishandling of the pandemic and the ensuing economic collapse.”

The author is uniquely suited to discuss her uncle and the psychological effects of his policies. She is the daughter of Fred Trump Jr., Donald Trump’s late older brother, and has a PhD from the Derner Institute of Advanced Psychological Studies (now known as the Derner School of Psychology) at Adelphi University.

She has taught graduate courses in trauma, psychopathology and developmental psychology. Mary Trump also had a brief stint ghost-writing Donald Trump’s third book and was a source for the New York Times’ 2018 Pulitzer Prize-winning investigation into Trump’s tax returns.

The “trauma” that she and the publisher refer to in their statement is rooted in American history, but was dramatically exacerbated by current events and “the Trump administration’s corrupt and immoral policies,” they said.

“Our failure to acknowledge this, let alone root it out, has allowed it to metastasize. Whether it manifests itself in rising levels of rage and hatred, or hopelessness and apathy, the stress of living in a country we no longer recognize has affected all of us. America is suffering from PTSD — a new leader alone cannot fix us,” the publisher said.


https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/books/story/2020-12-02/mary-trump-second-book-the-reckoning-president-trump
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Sat 12 Dec, 2020 01:52 pm
@Rebelofnj,
Rebelofnj wrote:

Quote:
Anymore from Mary Trump?


Glad you asked:
Mary Trump’s next book probes ‘America’s national trauma’ under Trump presidency

Quote:

Donald Trump’s niece Mary Trump has more to say about her uncle and the effects of his presidency and will do so in her second book.

Due July 20, 2021, “The Reckoning” will “examine America’s national trauma” and the “mental health crisis” she says his administration induced following the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic, her new publisher, St. Martin’s Press, announced Tuesday.

“The Reckoning” follows her debut bestseller and bombshell exposé, “Too Much and Never Enough: How My Family Created the World’s Most Dangerous Man.” The contested tell-all offered an empathetic but scathing portrayal of the sitting president and set a record for Simon & Schuster on its first day of release in July by selling nearly 1 million copies.

As with her first book, Trump will draw on her clinical psychology background and firsthand experience as a member of the infamous family to study the Trump administration’s effect on the American psyche. In the publisher’s announcement, she concluded that her uncle transformed the U.S. “into a macro version of my malignantly dysfunctional family.”

“For four years, Donald Trump has inflicted a series of traumas upon the American people, targeting anyone he perceived as the ‘other’ as an enemy,” Trump said in the publisher’s statement. “Women were discounted and derided, the sick were dismissed as weak and unworthy of help, immigrants and minorities were demonized and discriminated against, and money was elevated above all else. Finally, he demonstrated his stunning lack of concern for the American people with his willful mishandling of the pandemic and the ensuing economic collapse.”

The author is uniquely suited to discuss her uncle and the psychological effects of his policies. She is the daughter of Fred Trump Jr., Donald Trump’s late older brother, and has a PhD from the Derner Institute of Advanced Psychological Studies (now known as the Derner School of Psychology) at Adelphi University.

She has taught graduate courses in trauma, psychopathology and developmental psychology. Mary Trump also had a brief stint ghost-writing Donald Trump’s third book and was a source for the New York Times’ 2018 Pulitzer Prize-winning investigation into Trump’s tax returns.

The “trauma” that she and the publisher refer to in their statement is rooted in American history, but was dramatically exacerbated by current events and “the Trump administration’s corrupt and immoral policies,” they said.

“Our failure to acknowledge this, let alone root it out, has allowed it to metastasize. Whether it manifests itself in rising levels of rage and hatred, or hopelessness and apathy, the stress of living in a country we no longer recognize has affected all of us. America is suffering from PTSD — a new leader alone cannot fix us,” the publisher said.


https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/books/story/2020-12-02/mary-trump-second-book-the-reckoning-president-trump

Another opportunist making money off the hate for Trump. Laughing all the way to the bank at the stupid people that actually buy her book.
Rebelofnj
 
  3  
Sat 12 Dec, 2020 02:01 pm
'The last wall’: How dozens of judges across the political spectrum rejected Trump’s efforts to overturn the election

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....
In a remarkable show of near-unanimity across the nation’s judiciary, at least 86 judges — ranging from jurists serving at the lowest levels of state court systems to members of the United States Supreme Court — rejected at least one post-election lawsuit filed by Trump or his supporters, a Washington Post review of court filings found.

The string of losses was punctuated Friday by the brief and blunt order of the Supreme Court, which dismissed an attempt by the state of Texas to thwart the electoral votes of four states that went for President-elect Joe Biden.

Taken together, the judges’s decisions — some short and to the point and others sweeping defenses of American democracy — have comprehensively dismantled the arguments advanced by Trump in his effort to get the courts to subvert Biden’s victory.

In an era when so many institutions of American life have bowed to partisan tribalism, the dozens of opinions serve as a resounding reaffirmation of the judiciary’s nonpartisan commitment to basic principles of reason, fact and law.

“Voters, not lawyers, choose the President,” declared U.S. Circuit Court Judge Stephanos Bibas, a former prosecutor and law professor appointed in 2017 by Trump, as he rejected an attempt to throw out Pennsylvania’s votes for Biden.

“Federal judges do not appoint the president in this country,” wrote U.S. District Court Judge Pamela Pepper, who was nominated by President Barack Obama. “One wonders why the plaintiffs came to federal court and asked a federal judge to do so.”

Trump’s attempt to block certification of Biden’s win in Georgia “would breed confusion and potentially disenfranchisement that I find has no basis in fact or in law,” wrote U.S. District Court Judge Steven D. Grimberg, whom Trump named to the bench last year.

Before Election Day, federal judges nominated by Trump largely ruled against efforts to loosen voting rules in the 2020 campaign, siding with Republicans seeking to enforce restrictions, a previous Post analysis found.

But conservative jurists are among those who have balked at the sweeping attempts by Trump and his allies to throw out millions of votes after they were cast — rejecting claims of irregularities as unfounded and challenges to the voting process as belated.

The Post found that 38 judges appointed by Republicans dealt blows to such suits, with some writing searing opinions.

The latest example came Saturday, when federal District Judge Brett H. Ludwig, a Trump nominee who took the bench in September, dismissed a lawsuit filed by the president that sought to throw out the election results in Wisconsin, calling the request “extraordinary.”

“A sitting president who did not prevail in his bid for reelection has asked for federal court help in setting aside the popular vote based on disputed issues of election administration, issues he plainly could have raised before the vote occurred,” he wrote. “This Court has allowed plaintiff the chance to make his case and he has lost on the merits.”

Trump asked for the rule of law to be followed, Ludwig noted, adding: “It has been.”


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/judges-trump-election-lawsuits/2020/12/12/e3a57224-3a72-11eb-98c4-25dc9f4987e8_story.html
farmerman
 
  6  
Sat 12 Dec, 2020 02:06 pm
@coldjoint,
Quote:
Laughing all the way to the bank at the stupid people that actually buy her book.
actually, the book is about the reasons that the stupid people actually believe Trump
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Sat 12 Dec, 2020 02:09 pm
@Rebelofnj,
Quote:
'The last wall’: How dozens of judges across the political spectrum rejected Trump’s efforts to overturn the election

As usual the WP lies right in the headline. It is not the last wall. There are still pending cases and the fact some states may not send electors for Biden. Then there is the 12th amendment a legal way to change the results with a vote in Congress when no candidate gets 270 votes. Republicans have the advantage there.

Let me know what the WP has to say about that.
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Sat 12 Dec, 2020 02:11 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

Quote:
Laughing all the way to the bank at the stupid people that actually buy her book.
actually, the book is about the reasons that the stupid people actually believe Trump

I agree that you are an expert on stupid due to your vast personal experience with it. You walk the walk in that category.
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MontereyJack
 
  2  
Sat 12 Dec, 2020 02:11 pm
@coldjoint,
Malignant lies and untruths. You ignore the years of antipathy and disgust to the corrupt power-mad sociopath in the white house that the majority of the american people clearly demonstrated. We saw the truth and voted him out. You in your slavish blind adoration have yet to see that truth.
Rebelofnj
 
  2  
Sat 12 Dec, 2020 02:16 pm
@coldjoint,
On a related note: books about Trump (for and against) are a very profitable market

The most essential books of the Trump era are barely about Trump at all

Quote:
Dissections of heartland voters. Manifestos of political resistance. Polemics on the fate of conservatism. Works on gender and identity. Memoirs of race and protest. Reports of White House chaos. Studies on the institution of the presidency. Predictions about the fate of American democracy.

Just as Trump’s election shocked the country’s political establishment, it jolted America’s intellectual class. Writers, thinkers, activists, academics and journalists have responded as they know best: with lots and lots of books. One of the ironies of our time is that a man who rarely reads has inspired an onslaught of book-length writing about his presidency.

These works have succeeded as a publishing phenomenon, dominating bestseller lists. As an intellectual project, they’ve been decidedly less impressive. Too many of the books of the Trump era are more knee-jerk than incisive, more posing than probing, more righteous than right, more fixated on detailing or calling out the daily transgressions of the man in the Oval Office — This is not normal! He is unfit! — than on understanding their origins or assessing their impact. The works are illuminating in part because they reflect some of the same blind spots and failures of imagination that gave us the Trump presidency — and that will almost certainly outlast it.

America’s intellectuals have done what many of us do in times of crisis and disorientation: They have retrenched to their comfort zones, finding solace in old arguments, familiar enemies, instinctive outbursts and easy certainties. Individually, the books of the Trump era try to show a way forward; collectively, they reveal how we are stuck.

Trump may not read many books (“Actually, I’m looking at a book, I’m reading a book, I’m trying to get started,” he replied when Tucker Carlson inquired about his reading habits in 2017), but he understands their allure. He has authored more than a dozen of them, and he launched his campaign declaring that “we need a leader that wrote ‘The Art of the Deal.’ ” That book, the essential document of Trump Studies, experienced a renaissance in 2016, with reporters mining it for insights on the candidate. In his books, Trump previewed the qualities we’ve come to know so well: the vengefulness and narcissism, the mistrust of the press and the unceasing quest for its approval, the insecurity and mendacity, the willingness to insult and to project his worst faults onto others.

The Trump era always shocks. But if you’d read his books, it wouldn’t really surprise.

As Trump began winning primaries, attention moved from his own story to those of his supporters, and writers descended upon America’s heartland to examine the politics of White grievance, visiting every chrome-counter diner and crumbling factory town on the map. One question came to dominate these travels: Were Trump’s working-class voters driven mainly by their economic struggles or — in the politest euphemism of our age — their cultural anxieties? The answers often reflect the authors’ biases as much as those of their subjects.
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coldjoint
 
  -2  
Sat 12 Dec, 2020 02:17 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

Malignant lies and untruths. You ignore the years of antipathy and disgust to the corrupt power-mad sociopath in the white house that the majority of the american people clearly demonstrated. We saw the truth and voted him out. You in your slavish blind adoration have yet to see that truth.

Oh the drama, oh the rhetoric, oh the stupidity. Laughing Laughing Laughing
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Sat 12 Dec, 2020 02:18 pm
@coldjoint,
Last heard, enough states had certified their votes to put it over the 270 vote e.,c. threshhold, which means this is not a disputed election and congress has no power to vote to overturn it. trump has lost, you have lost. biden is our next president and america has been saved..
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Sat 12 Dec, 2020 02:26 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

Last heard, enough states had certified their votes to put it over the 270 vote e.,c. threshhold, which means this is not a disputed election and congress has no power to vote to overturn it. trump has lost, you have lost. biden is our next president and america has been saved..

Those electoral votes are not on record in the Congress yet. And if an election is disputed they won't be. Remember those dates you keep hearing are not in the Constitution. And all those states have to do is send no electors at all to take Biden's 270 away. All legal, unlike the election.
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Sat 12 Dec, 2020 02:38 pm
@coldjoint,
aint gonna happen. all your "bombshells" have fizzled out. SCOTUs laughed them out of court. The e.c. vot will .anoint biden the winner. Just STFU and face the reality. you lost.
Rebelofnj
 
  3  
Sat 12 Dec, 2020 02:39 pm
@coldjoint,
GOP leaders in 4 states quash dubious Trump bid on electors

Quote:
Republican leaders in four critical states won by President-elect Joe Biden say they won’t participate in a legally dubious scheme to flip their state’s electors to vote for President Donald Trump. Their comments effectively shut down a half-baked plot some Republicans floated as a last chance to keep Trump in the White House.

State GOP lawmakers in Arizona, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin have all said they would not intervene in the selection of electors, who ultimately cast the votes that secure a candidate’s victory. Such a move would violate state law and a vote of the people, several noted.


coldjoint
 
  -3  
Sat 12 Dec, 2020 02:39 pm
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
Just STFU and face the reality. you lost.

Not a chance. It is not over yet. Trump still has a legal pathway and it looks better everyday.
Walter Hinteler
 
  4  
Sat 12 Dec, 2020 02:40 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
Oh the drama, oh the rhetoric, oh the stupidity.
While 'rhetoric' indeed is one of the three ancient arts of discourse, you misquoted the other two.

 

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