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layman
 
  -4  
Mon 20 Feb, 2017 05:08 am
@old europe,
old europe wrote:

Look at that, one more anchor over at another ultra-liberal mainstream media outlet doesn't like Trump's attacks on the press:

Quote:
Fox News anchor Chris Wallace warns viewers: Trump crossed the line in latest attack on media

“But when he said that the fake news media is not my enemy, it's the enemy of the American people, I believe that crosses an important line.”


Wallace is wrong. Fake news is an enemy of the people.

The people can decide if, and when, the shoe fits.
blatham
 
  4  
Mon 20 Feb, 2017 05:18 am
This is depressing. Trump supporters at the Florida rally.
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...She blames the media for circulating “fake” stories about the president

...“There’s such hatred for the man,” she said. “I just don’t get it.”

...Melani, for example, gets most of her news from talk radio — “I listen to Herman Cain on my way into work, I have Sean [Hannity] on my way home,” she said — and Fox News.

She and her husband were well-versed on hold-ups with the president’s Cabinet nominees and legal arguments for the now-frozen travel ban. But they didn’t know much about the resignation of Trump’s national security adviser Michael Flynn on Monday amid accusations that he improperly discussed U.S. sanctions with the Russian ambassador — and then withheld that information from Vice President Pence and other top officials.

“See, don’t question me on that because I haven’t really been watching and listening too much on it,” Melani said. “I think he kind of did it just to step away, a trust kind of a thing. And now, of course, they want to pull a big investigation and all of this stuff. And to be honest with you, I really think it’s only because of the way the haters are out there. That’s what I really think it is.”
WP
These folks quoted (and given the sorts of rhetoric we get here commonly from folks who think Trump a grand fellow, they are representative of his base) have bought into the most fundamental framing or premise of right wing media - "We are the only information source you can trust. All other media will lie and distort. Reject what they say."

This is the result of two decades of acculturation, of the constant repetition of that framing and premise. Some significant portion of Trump's base believe this with high certainty. They will follow and support Trump, or anyone else the right wing media machine pushes into the spotlight. They will believe, clearly, pretty much anything that media system advances. They don't have to study, they don't have to confront complexities, they don't have to think much at all.

The consequences of this to US politics are profound. And profoundly destructive.
blatham
 
  5  
Mon 20 Feb, 2017 05:27 am
Another example of Trump administration figures telling other nations, "Hey, trust me, you can't go listening to what my President says and trust him on what he says"
Quote:
Defense Secretary Jim Mattis made his first trip to Iraq as Pentagon chief on Monday to determine what is needed to accelerate the campaign against the Islamic State, hours after rejecting a suggestion by President Trump that the United States might take Iraq’s oil.

“I think all of us here in this room — all of us in America — have generally paid for our gas and oil all along, and I am sure we will continue to do so in the future,” Mattis said during a meeting with reporters Sunday night. “We’re not in Iraq to seize anybody’s oil.”
WP
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blatham
 
  3  
Mon 20 Feb, 2017 05:32 am
Awkward.
Quote:
British lawmakers to debate Trump’s state visit

The debate, to be held in Parliament’s Westminster Hall, was triggered after a petition calling on the British government to cancel the state visit amassed more than 1.8 million signatures. A counter-petition urging the government to support the visit, signed by 300,000, will also be debated.
WP
Entirely normal, though. This happens with every new US president.
blatham
 
  4  
Mon 20 Feb, 2017 05:39 am
Quote:
‘We did not start this fight’: In Trump era’s dawn, scientists rally in Boston

Hundreds of scientists and their supporters rallied in historic Copley Square
on Sunday, demanding that the Trump administration accept empirical reality on issues such as climate change and highlighting the centrality of objective information to making policy.

“We did not politicize science,” said Naomi Oreskes, a Harvard science historian who spoke at the rally, which unfolded on a surprisingly warm February day that left the square filled with mud puddles from the melt of a recent blizzard. “We did not start this fight.”

“Our colleagues who have been attacked have not been attacked because they did something wrong,” Oreskes continued. “They have been attacked because they did something right” — namely, producing information that proved politically inconvenient.
WP

On the other hand though, the world is 6000 years old and your greats grandfathers had dinosaur pets. Also, tobacco is a health product that helps with arthritis, liver spots, tiredness, heartache, baldness and wet-noodle-pecker.
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layman
 
  -1  
Mon 20 Feb, 2017 05:45 am
Just what you'd expect from a cheese-eater, sho nuff. They blow off work and go jaunting off to protest, and are then surprised their sorry ass gets fired.

Quote:
Dozens of workers lose their jobs for participating in Day Without Immigrants protest

Dozens of workers said they lost their jobs after taking part in Thursday’s protest. The boycott was aimed squarely at President Trump's efforts to step up deportations, build a wall at the Mexican border and close the nation's doors to many travelers. It was unclear how many participated.

...they were fired over text message because they didn’t show up for their shift and failed to let their employers know about their absence.

The employees told the station they expected to be reprimanded, but not dismissed. “If you have 12 people who feel strongly and want to make a stand, I think management should have taken a look at that and at least stood by them or give them some time,” Catherine Bishop, of Broken Arrow, told Fox 23 News.

According to News Channel 5, 18 workers from Bradley Coatings Inc. were let go. An attorney for Bradley Coatings said in a statement that the employees were told they would “need to show up for work (on Thursday) or they would be terminated” because of the “time-sensitive” job they were assigned to.


Sorry, snowflakes, everything doesn't revolve around YOU in the real world.
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blatham
 
  4  
Mon 20 Feb, 2017 06:01 am
Certain winner of this new week's "Best Headline In A Major Newspaper"
Quote:
John Oliver on Trump: 'He dominates the news like a fart dominates a car'
the guardian
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hightor
 
  2  
Mon 20 Feb, 2017 06:08 am
@blatham,
This is another illustration of the cultural divide which was described in the review of the Joan Didion book I put up yesterday. Fox News has essentially served to export the traditional values of the South around the country. Gun-lovin' flaggots with bibles were always hard to reach but when they just lived in the water moccassin-infested hinterland we didn't care too much; they were sort of quaint, you know, unless you were a civil rights advocate. Now they're exporting their lifestyle and disaffected citizens all over the country are climbing aboard the Trump train, fairly smarting with misplaced resentment over imagined slights. "Whatdya mean tellin' us that deep-fried donuts ain't good food for our kids — go eat a tofu sandwich with your f*ckin' latte." Attacking Trump outright only serves to intensify their sense of alienation from the coastal cosmopolis. I think the only effective strategy is to wait until Trump policies are in place and then tying any failures to the concrete results of his leadership.

Quote:
Limbaugh said that's partly due to the deep reservoir of trust Trump has built with his most loyal supporters. Those voters, he said, have no qualms with the president's most scathing attacks on the news media.

"Trump has a connection with his voters that most politicians don't have," Limbaugh explained. "I understand it perhaps better than anybody in media. And that connection that he has is not anything that anybody else can break. Only he can break it."


wfmz
blatham
 
  4  
Mon 20 Feb, 2017 06:38 am
@hightor,
I think that's essentially right. The American example has corollaries in Australia and Britain where Murdoch has also been very influential in gathering up the local retrograde population and feeding them the sort of rhetoric and worldviews and sense of victimization (some surely justified) Didion and other write about. Because of settlement patterns (which cultural groups out of Europe settled here or there) and degree of isolation or forced cosmopolitanism, we end up with inevitable divergences like this.

As to Limbaugh, I don't see a great difference in what he says about Trump and followers from what he said about Bush Jr and his base. Or, though not so acute, what he said about McCain and Romney and their followers. His function is the same as Murdoch's - forwarding the electoral chances of the party which will best achieve a social and regulatory regime favorable to those who wish to control/influence society through and for wealth accumulation.

When Limbaugh says that only Trump can screw things up with his base, that might be true. But I don't see any way to count on it happening given the level of tribalism, the isolation of this base in a closed epistemology, and the degree towards serious authoritarianism they are clearly willing to move. I think most of them are a lost cause outside of some really serious national conflagration.

And that's why I don't agree on what you posit as "the only effective strategy". My notion is that this must arise from an address to those who aren't fruitcakes and those who flirt less seriously with fruitcakeisms. Jay Rosen said recently that he didn't think the media can stop Trump, that it will have to be the people. But his meaning here was that the press can't do the task on their own. He certainly doesn't believe the media ought to shut up.

Bad consequences from this administration - consequences that seriously and negatively affect large segments of the population including his base will be important. But we know enough about states like Kansas or Wisconsin etc to predict that degrading life circumstances can be effectively mis-diagnosed and mis-comprehended via effective propaganda. So we can't count on just that alone either.
old europe
 
  4  
Mon 20 Feb, 2017 06:41 am
@blatham,
I guess when Trump said that America "isn't respected by anybody anymore," it wasn't so much a description of the situation back then as it was an election promise:

Quote:
London mayor says ‘cruel’ Trump should be denied state visit

LONDON — London’s mayor says that President Donald Trump shouldn’t receive a state visit in Britain because of his “cruel” policies on immigration.

Sadiq Khan said Sunday the U.S. president should not get VIP treatment when he comes to Britain later this year because of his “ban on people from seven Muslim-majorities countries” and his decision to block refugees from entering the United States.

Khan said that “in those circumstances we shouldn’t be rolling out the red carpet.”

He spoke one day before British legislators are expected to debate a proposal to downgrade the planned state visit. The debate was scheduled in response to an online petition calling for the honor to be rescinded.

A state visit usually includes extensive pomp and a stay at Buckingham Palace.
blatham
 
  3  
Mon 20 Feb, 2017 06:46 am
@old europe,
Yes, I'd seen that Khan had said that. I very much like you lead sentence, I should tell you.
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blatham
 
  3  
Mon 20 Feb, 2017 06:49 am
So, Yiannopoulos has been invited to keynote the next CPAC conference. We'll see if that invite remains in place after this...
Quote:
The Reagan Battalion, a conservative blog, tweeted out a video of Yiannopoulos making anti-Semitic remarks and railing against the “arbitrary and oppressive idea of consent.” First he claims that when female teachers have sex with their male students, “the boy is the predator in that situation.” He continues:

Quote:
In the homosexual world particularly, some of those relationships between younger boys and older men the sort of coming of age relationships relationships in which those older men have helped those young boys to discover who they are and give them security and safety and provide them with love and a reliable — and sort of a rock where they can’t speak to their parents.

When a voice off camera says that sounds like “priest molestation,” Yiannopoulos shoots back: “And do you know what? I’m grateful for Father Michael. I wouldn’t give nearly such good head if it wasn’t for him.
NYMag
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blatham
 
  4  
Mon 20 Feb, 2017 06:57 am
Memory hole notes from all over.
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New Mexico Sen. Tom Udall detailed many of the insults Friedman had hurled in print before being selected for the ambassadorial role.

“He has insulted and denigrated members of the Senate,” Udall said. He quoted Friedman’s comment about senior Democratic New York Sen. Charles Schumer, after Democratic colleagues voted to approve the Iran nuclear deal, that “Schumer is validating the worst appeasement of terrorism since Munich,” where Palestinian terrorists killed Israeli athletes at the Olympic Games.

Udall also said that Friedman had “slandered” President Barack Obama when he described “the blatant anti-Semitism emanating from our president and his sycophantic minions.”

And he pointed out that Friedman once said of the Anti-Defamation League that “frankly, they sound like morons.”
And those were not even the worst of Friedman’s slurs. The worst would probably be his description of American Jews who oppose his right-wing positions on Israeli-Palestinian affairs as “worse than kapos — Jews who turned in their fellow Jews in the Nazi death camps.”

Now Friedman wants senators to disregard all those words because after all they were uttered in the heat of a presidential campaign:
NYMag
Jeez. The guy's a self-loathing totalitarian.
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wmwcjr
 
  2  
Mon 20 Feb, 2017 07:09 am
@glitterbag,
The Islamic Republic of Iran is truly one of the worst regimes in the world. What they do to women, gays, followers of the Bahai faith (among others) is heartbreaking. They're worse than the Shah was. Of course, if the United States and Great Britain had not put the Shah in power in the 1950s, there likely would be no Islamic Republic today.
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blatham
 
  3  
Mon 20 Feb, 2017 07:16 am
Quote:
Paul Waldman ‏@paulwaldman1 9h9 hours ago
Just a reminder: There is virtually no moral depravity conservatives will not tolerate in someone if that person pisses off liberals.

There's no referent Paul gives here but 20 bucks says it's the Yiannopoulos thing I noted just above.

And here's Frum with a helpful reminder
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David Frum ‏@davidfrum 10h10 hours ago
David Frum Retweeted Jake Tapper
Yes the Milo/CPAC story is bad. Meanwhile, the president of the United States has confessed on tape to serial sexual assault
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Olivier5
 
  1  
Mon 20 Feb, 2017 07:23 am
@blatham,
"We all" meaning in that context "we most leftists". There were plenty of people on the right (and a few on the left, eg Michael Moore) who predicted that Trump would win. Therefore there was no general consensus. Polters used obsolete assumptions to convince each other that Trump couldn't win, and many people (including me towards the end) believed them. But that's not a real consensus; that's just a few polsters thinking that their sampling frame of "likely voters" was correct, when it was not.


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hightor
 
  2  
Mon 20 Feb, 2017 07:27 am
@blatham,
Quote:
As to Limbaugh, I don't see a great difference in what he says about Trump and followers from what he said about Bush Jr and his base. Or, though not so acute, what he said about McCain and Romney and their followers.

That's true. I remember during the campaign I listened to his show a few times and when a Cruz supporter would call up to point out Trump's lack of conservative credentials, fairly begging Limbaugh to do something to stop Trump, he'd just step away. "I'm not a politician; I'm just describing what's going on. I last thing I want is Hilary in the White House."
Quote:
But we know enough about states like Kansas or Wisconsin etc to predict that degrading life circumstances can be effectively mis-diagnosed and mis-comprehended via effective propaganda.

Good point. There's no substitute for an independent media which does its job.

blatham
 
  2  
Mon 20 Feb, 2017 07:29 am
After such a heartbreaking tragedy - and one on such a scale! - how can you not admire the steadfast and courageous spirit of this national rebuilding program?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5ES20kUYAAUJoz.jpg
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blatham
 
  3  
Mon 20 Feb, 2017 07:44 am
@hightor,
Quote:
There's no substitute for an independent media which does its job.

When Priebus says we should take Trump's comments on the media seriously, I agree. I certainly do.
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blatham
 
  2  
Mon 20 Feb, 2017 07:46 am
You might want to bookmark this
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33 questions about Donald Trump and Russia
There’s an awful lot of loose ends here.
Vox
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