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revelette3
 
  3  
Fri 27 Nov, 2020 10:02 am
Trump Flips Out At Reporter: ‘Don’t Ever Talk To The President That Way’

Quote:
Donald Trump lashed out during a Thanksgiving press conference at a reporter who pushed back against his false claims of election fraud, calling the journalist a “lightweight” and telling him, “I’m the president of the United States.”

Reuters White House correspondent Jeff Mason asked Trump if he will concede when the Electoral College votes for President-elect Joe Biden.

“Well if they do, they made a mistake, because this election was a fraud,” Trump replied, before launching into a tirade about the number of votes Biden got compared to former President Barack Obama.

When Mason interrupted this lengthy digression, Trump snapped, “Don’t talk to me that way.”

″You’re just a lightweight. Don’t talk to me that way. I’m the president of the United States. Don’t ever talk to the president that way,” he added.
blatham
 
  0  
Fri 27 Nov, 2020 10:05 am
@MontereyJack,
I don't have any confident read on this yet. You may have it right.
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blatham
 
  0  
Fri 27 Nov, 2020 10:07 am
@revelette3,
Yup. That's him going right to his default setting - bully others.
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hightor
 
  4  
Fri 27 Nov, 2020 10:49 am
Why Did So Many Americans Vote for Trump?

To the dismay of Democrats, the president’s strategy of ignoring the pandemic mostly worked for Republicans.

Quote:
President Trump’s disastrous mishandling of the coronavirus pandemic probably cost him re-election. Yet it seems mind-boggling that he still won more votes than any incumbent president in American history despite his dereliction of responsibility at a time of a once-in-a-century health crisis and economic devastation.

Why are President-elect Joe Biden’s margins so thin in the states that clinched his victory? And why did the president’s down-ticket enablers flourish in the turbulent, plague-torn conditions they helped bring about?

Democrats, struggling to make sense of it all, are locked in yet another round of mutual recrimination: They were either too progressive for swing voters — too socialist or aggressive with ambitious policies like the Green New Deal — or not progressive enough to inspire potential Democratic voters to show up or cross over.

But they should understand that there was really no way to avoid disappointment. Three factors — the logic of partisan polarization, which inaccurate polling obscured; the strength of the juiced pre-Covid-19 economy; and the success of Mr. Trump’s denialist, open-everything-up nonresponse to the pandemic — mostly explain why Democrats didn’t fare better.

This shocking strategy worked for Republicans, even if it didn’t pan out for the president himself. Moreover, it laid a trap that Democrats walked into — something they should understand and adjust for, as best they can, as they look ahead.

How could a president responsible for one of the gravest failures of governance in American history nevertheless maintain such rock-solid support? Democracy’s throw-the-bums-out feedback mechanism gets gummed up when the electorate disagrees about the identity of the bums, what did and didn’t occur on their watch and who deserves what share of the credit or blame.

When party affiliation becomes a central source of meaning and self-definition, reality itself becomes contested and verifiable facts turn into hot-button controversies. Elections can’t render an authoritative verdict on the performance of incumbents when partisans in a closely divided electorate tell wildly inconsistent stories about one another and the world they share.

Mr. Trump has a knack for leveraging the animosities of polarized partisanship to cleave his supporters from sources of credible information and inflame them with vilifying lies. This time, it wasn’t enough to save his bacon, which suggests that polarization hasn’t completely wrecked our democracy’s capacity for self-correction: Sweeping a medium-size city’s worth of dead Americans under the rug turned out to be too tall an order.

However, Mr. Trump’s relentless campaign to goose the economy by cutting taxes, running up enormous deficits and debt, and hectoring the Fed into not raising rates was working for millions of Americans. We tend to notice when we’re personally more prosperous than we were a few years before.

But the president’s catastrophic response to Covid-19 threw the economy into a tailspin. That is where it gets interesting — and Democrats get uncomfortable.

Mr. Trump abdicated responsibility, shifting the burden onto states and municipalities with busted budgets. He then waged a war of words against governors and mayors — especially Democrats — who refused to risk their citizens’ lives by allowing economic and social activity to resume.

He spurred his supporters to make light of the danger of infection, made the churlish refusal to wear masks into an emblem of emancipation from the despotism of experts and turned public health restrictions on businesses, schools and social gatherings into a tyrannical conspiracy to steal power by damaging the economy and his re-election prospects.

He succeeded in putting Democrats on the defensive about economic restrictions and school closures. As months passed and with no new relief coming from Washington, financially straitened Democratic states and cities had little choice but to ease restrictions on businesses just to keep the lights on. That seemed to concede the economic wisdom of the more permissive approach in majority-Republican states and fed into Mr. Trump’s false narrative of victory over the virus and a triumphant return to normalcy.

But Democrats weren’t destined to get quite as tangled in Mr. Trump’s trap as they did. They had no way to avoid it, but they could have been hurt less by it. They allowed Republicans to define the contrast between the parties’ approaches to the pandemic in terms of freedom versus exhausting, indefinite shutdowns.

Democrats needed to present a competing, compelling strategy to counter Republican messaging. Struggling workers and businesses never clearly heard exactly what they’d get if Democrats ran the show, and Democrats never came together to scream bloody murder that Republicans were refusing to give it to them. Democrats needed to underscore the depth of Republican failure by forcefully communicating what other countries had done to successfully control the virus. And they needed to promise to do the same through something like an Operation Warp Speed for testing and P.P.E. to get America safely back in business.

Instead, they whined that Mr. Trump’s negligence and incompetence were to blame for America’s economic woes and complained that Mitch McConnell wouldn’t even consider the House’s big relief bill. They weren’t wrong, but correctly assigning culpability did nothing to help working-class breadwinners who can’t bus tables, process chickens, sell smoothies or clean hotel rooms over Zoom.

The Republican message couldn’t have been clearer: Workers should be able to show up, clock in, earn a normal paycheck, pay the rent and feed their kids. Democrats were telling the same workers that we need to listen to science, reopening is premature, and the economy can’t be fully restored until we beat the virus. Correct! But how does that help when rent was due last week?

Make no mistake, it was unforgivably cruel of Republicans to force blue-collar and service workers to risk death for grocery money. Yet their disinformation campaign persuaded many millions of Americans that the risk was minimal and that Democrats were keeping their workplaces and schools closed, their customers and kids at home, and their wallets empty and cupboards bare for bogus reasons.

The president’s mendacious push to hastily reopen everything was less compelling to college-educated suburbanites, who tend to trust experts and can work from home, watch their kids and spare a laptop for online kindergarten. Mr. Trump lost the election mainly because he lost enough of these voters, including some moderate Republicans who otherwise voted straight Republican tickets.

Democrats need to rethink the idea that these voters would have put Democratic House and Senate candidates over the top if only Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez were less radiantly socialist. They need to accept that they took hits on the economy by failing to escape the trap Republicans set by doggedly refusing to do anything about the uncontained contagion destroying it.

And they need to understand how Mr. Trump saved his party by weaponizing polarization. Conservatives needed a way not to get spun by the president’s destabilizing act of disloyalty, so they steadied themselves by reaffirming their loyalty down the remainder of the ballot. They were voting against a personal crisis of identity, not the Green New Deal.

Democrats might have done better had sunny polls and their own biased partisan perceptions not misled them into believing that backlash to indisputably damning Republican failure would deliver an easy Senate majority — but not much better. Until the mind-bending spell of polarization breaks, everything that matters will be fiercely disputed and even the most egregious failures will continue to go unpunished.

nyt/wilkinson
oralloy
 
  -2  
Fri 27 Nov, 2020 11:09 am
@hightor,
It's pretty silly of Democrats to blame Mr. Trump for the pandemic when they are the one who caused it.
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hightor
 
  4  
Fri 27 Nov, 2020 11:20 am
somebody wrote:
It's pretty silly of Democrats to blame Mr. Trump for the pandemic when they are the one who caused it.

It's silly to think that the article is blaming the pandemic on Trump when it clearly is criticizing the administration's response to the pandemic:
Quote:
But the president’s catastrophic response to Covid-19 threw the economy into a tailspin.

Looks like somebody might have a reading comprehension problem.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Fri 27 Nov, 2020 11:35 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

somebody wrote:
It's pretty silly of Democrats to blame Mr. Trump for the pandemic when they are the one who caused it.

It's silly to think that the article is blaming the pandemic on Trump when it clearly is criticizing the administration's response to the pandemic:
Quote:
But the president’s catastrophic response to Covid-19 threw the economy into a tailspin.

Looks like somebody might have a reading comprehension problem.

The administration responded fine. Governors, like killer Cuomo did not. Trump produced the ventilators and supplied the PPE. The onus is on the governors of the respective states.
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revelette3
 
  3  
Fri 27 Nov, 2020 11:35 am
@hightor,
Well, despite of what people think, I think the era of Trumpism alternative facts will fade away.

That don't mean Biden will able to get things passed or that polarization will disappear. I do hope Biden pushes for a more lower income friendly agenda in all areas and help those who have been hurting all these years even going back to the Obama years. Not saying we all should go for the "defund the police" or getting rid of ICE. I don't know if any of those things will pass or if he will have to be creative to be able anything at all, but at least try their best to have reform in law enforcement and all those relating issues, pass more environmentally friendly executive orders and things like that. Also helping those at the bottom end of the working class with day care, food assistance and all those related issues. All of that would require tax increases which I am not sure would ever pass though.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Fri 27 Nov, 2020 11:37 am
@revelette3,
Quote:
I think the era of Trumpism alternative facts will fade away.

As usual you think wrong. Trumpism today is stronger than ever.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Fri 27 Nov, 2020 11:53 am
Quote:
The 80 Million Fake Vote Moron Still Can’t Read

Here's how "devout Catholic" Joe Biden pronounces "Psalmist" 😂🤣💀 https://t.co/2iZ5q030BW pic.twitter.com/0x4KqbMWvo

— Not the Bee (@Not_the_Bee) November 26, 2020
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Fri 27 Nov, 2020 12:11 pm

To anyone that is honest with themselves this is admitting guilt. Where are they? Why hide if you have nothing to hide? Do not bitch that no one will ever consider Biden the legitimate winner of anything.
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Rebelofnj
 
  4  
Fri 27 Nov, 2020 12:17 pm
@coldjoint,
So, does that mean you are supporting the Trump supporters' boycotts of the Georgia runoff elections?
Rebelofnj
 
  4  
Fri 27 Nov, 2020 12:20 pm
Federal appeals court rejects Trump request to block certification of Pennsylvania’s election results

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A federal appeals court on Friday rejected President Trump’s request for an emergency injunction to overturn the certification of Pennsylvania’s election results.

The Third Circuit Court of Appeals said that the Trump campaign’s challenge of a U.S. district court’s decision had “no merit.”

The court’s sharply worded opinion was written by Judge Stephanos Bibas, who was appointed to the court by Trump.

“Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here,” Bibas wrote.

Read the Third Circuit Court of Appeals ruling in Pennsylvania election

Trump’s campaign appealed after a district court last weekend dismissed its federal lawsuit against Pennsylvania election authorities and rejected its request to revise the suit.

Bibas noted in his decision on Friday that Trump’s campaign “never claims fraud or that any votes were cast by illegal voters,” and that granting Trump’s request to throw out the election results would be “grossly disproportionate.”

Jenna Ellis, a legal adviser to the Trump campaign, said in a tweet following the decision that the campaign would take its appeal to the Supreme Court.

“We are very thankful to have had the opportunity to present proof and the facts to the PA state legislature,” she wrote. “On to SCOTUS!”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/federal-appeals-court-rejects-trump-request-for-emergency-injunction-to-overturn-certification-of-pennsylvanias-election-results/2020/11/27/556540ba-30d7-11eb-bae0-50bb17126614_story.html

One thing to repeat: Judge Stephanos Bibas was appointed by President Donald Trump in 2017
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snood
 
  5  
Fri 27 Nov, 2020 12:29 pm
@Rebelofnj,
Rebelofnj wrote:

So, does that mean you are supporting the Trump supporters' boycotts of the Georgia runoff elections?


You reckon joint’s thinking is crystal clear on this, do ya?
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Fri 27 Nov, 2020 12:30 pm
Quote:
The report is written in dry technical language, filled with graphs, footnotes, and multiple hedges, but its implications could not be more obvious. If the authors were less tepid, they might have titled it: Joe Biden’s Victory Was Not Legitimate. And Now We Can Prove it.

This report looks at election data and shows what many would expect: the states and cities that had the most suspicious circumstances on election night and into the next day are precisely where the analysis flags extreme anomalies.



It starts out with the background on Michigan and Wisconsin — the vote spikes that were obviously fraudulent and fundamentally changed both the electoral reality and the narrative. The report reminds us of the infamous vote spikes in Michigan and Wisconsin.



https://s3.amazonaws.com/lrc-cdn/assets/2020/11/2020.11.25-03.38-revolvernews-5fbe7a66d2f8f-620x403.png
https://s3.amazonaws.com/lrc-cdn/assets/2020/11/2020.11.25-03.36-revolvernews-5fbe7a08d41c1-620x397.png

Spikes for one candidate like that do not happen. It is obvious fraud, the party of science is caught by science.
https://ussanews.com/News1/2020/11/26/proof-donald-trump-won-the-election/
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Fri 27 Nov, 2020 12:32 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
It's silly to think that the article is blaming the pandemic on Trump when it clearly is criticizing the administration's response to the pandemic:
Quote:
But the president’s catastrophic response to Covid-19 threw the economy into a tailspin.
Looks like somebody might have a reading comprehension problem.

It's the same thing.

It was the Democrats' acts that allowed the pandemic to take root in America. The Democrats are trying to blame Mr. Trump for what the Democrats are at fault for.

Mr. Trump's response has been just fine. Thanks to him we're getting early vaccines.

And what's with this "somebody" nonsense in your quote attribution?
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coldjoint
 
  0  
Fri 27 Nov, 2020 12:33 pm
@Rebelofnj,
Rebelofnj wrote:

So, does that mean you are supporting the Trump supporters' boycotts of the Georgia runoff elections?

Did I say that? What is with people trying to put words in other people mouths? Can any of you ever be honest?
Rebelofnj
 
  4  
Fri 27 Nov, 2020 12:37 pm
@coldjoint,
I never said you were supporting that plan. I merely asked if you were supporting that plan, as other Trump supporters are in favor of the plan to boycott.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Fri 27 Nov, 2020 12:42 pm
Keep in mind State legislatures appoint the electors. In PA they are convinced there was fraud. Those electors will now go for Trump. No matter what a court says.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Fri 27 Nov, 2020 12:47 pm
@Rebelofnj,
Rebelofnj wrote:

I never said you were supporting that plan. I merely asked if you were supporting that plan, as other Trump supporters are in favor of the plan to boycott.

I did not say you did. I asked if I said that. It was a leading question and it shows you do not value honest debate.
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