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snood
 
  3  
Wed 18 Nov, 2020 09:03 am
@oristarA,
oristarA wrote:

Biden will need to rebuild America with valor, vision and wisdom of George Washington.


And a whole lot of help from solid people he surrounds himself with.
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blatham
 
  1  
Wed 18 Nov, 2020 09:22 am
@revelette3,
Quote:
I hope the Supreme Court surprises everyone and rejects to hear the case, failing that, reject Trump's evidence free charges.

I don't know what case they'd take on nor how they'd get to any finding which overturns the electoral college advantage. And the legal scholars I attend to (Marc E Elias, Rick Hasen and others) though concerned of possibilities, don't seem to be either. Case after case is failing for lack of evidence and for incompetent presentation of arguments re process, etc.

I'd argue that our concerns, worries, etc are better directed elsewhere. Trump's talents and strengths center around his manipulation of media attention. This present phase duplicates what he's being doing all along. His strong man/autocrat style relies upon a presentation of his dominance and his dangerousness to others. That is the center of his identity along with his style. Because of these pathologies, he'll be forced to try and keep himself as a center of attention and as being defined in those terms. We'll all be fools if we help him continue in this manner.
snood
 
  4  
Wed 18 Nov, 2020 09:34 am
@blatham,
I don’t understand why he should still be eliciting fear to the point that it makes all the Republican lawmakers so pathetically silent and dickless.
izzythepush
 
  4  
Wed 18 Nov, 2020 09:40 am
@snood,
His base are armed to the teeth. Vote counters in Pennsylvania have already been told they’re what the second amendment is for.

If they’re going to issue death threats just for someone doing their job, Lord only knows what they’ll do to someone they consider a traitor.
blatham
 
  2  
Wed 18 Nov, 2020 09:53 am
@snood,
Quote:
I don’t understand why he should still be eliciting fear to the point that it makes all the Republican lawmakers so pathetically silent and dickless.
I'd suggest two answers. One - they desperately want wins in the Georgia Senate contests. Holding the Senate allows maximal obstruction of Biden while losing it seriously diminishes what they can get up to. When those two elections are over, much will change.

Two - Trump will likely for some while have significant control over the base he's developed and that has electoral consequences across the boards for Republicans remaining in office. This is an old game that people like Rove pioneered while in the College Republicans - enforce extremism through working to rid the party of moderates and "RINOs". If you don't go along, you'll get primaried out of power and you probably won't find work anywhere in GOP circles again.

How long Trump might be able to keep pulling this off is unknown. As is how hard he'll try and how he'll go about it. As wealth is the base of all else he does and as he's clearly understood for some long while that modern Republicanism is a very successful scam more than anything else, he may well see his best future continuing this game.

All of this is, of course, dependent on future legal actions against him and the consequences of those actions.
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blatham
 
  1  
Wed 18 Nov, 2020 09:54 am
@izzythepush,
The risk of a life sentence for murder will temper their enthusiasms.
blatham
 
  3  
Wed 18 Nov, 2020 10:07 am
One last thought before I bugger off. As we all have noticed, Trump has been in hiding since the election. I think he's done one public appearance but did not take questions. The reason of course is that any such public appearance, particularly where he's open for questioning, will only risk him looking like an ineffectual, pathetic loser. And that is the one thing that he cannot abide nor risk because it undercuts everything he wants people to believe about him and what he himself deeply wishes was true. He is not only completely without grace, he is very much a coward.
izzythepush
 
  2  
Wed 18 Nov, 2020 10:09 am
@blatham,
When people commit crimes they don’t think they’ll get caught.
revelette3
 
  4  
Wed 18 Nov, 2020 10:39 am
Opinions | We came much closer to an election catastrophe than many realize

Quote:
As President Trump refuses to concede that he lost the election, and his dead-enders trot out increasingly bizarre conspiracy theories and legal tantrums, we are witnessing an attack on democracy that is at turns sickening and comical. But as it turns more the latter than the former, we should be aware of how close we came to catastrophe.

You may look at President-elect Joe Biden’s 306-to-232 lead in the electoral college, and his popular vote lead of 5.8 million votes and growing, and say that, thankfully, the results weren’t that close. As my colleague Greg Sargent wrote before the election, Trump’s legal strategy was predicated on getting within “cheating distance,” with the margins narrow enough that he could convince Republican judges to intercede on his behalf and hand him the election. It hasn’t happened.

But it was closer than you think. And it raises the frightening possibility that if Trump’s team were not such a bunch of buffoons, and if Republican officials at the state level were just a little more corrupt than they already are, he might have been able to steal the election after all.

That’s because the 2020 election was, in one critical way, even closer than 2016.

You may remember that four years ago, Trump managed to win the electoral college because he prevailed in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania by a combined total of just 77,000 votes. That tiny margin was enough to overcome Hillary Clinton’s 3 million-vote lead in the popular vote and make him president with 304 electoral votes.

In the time since, Democrats have cited that number over and over, often as proof of the Clinton campaign’s strategic missteps. How hard would it have been to grab 77,000 more votes? Couldn’t they have done it with a few more visits to those states?

So what’s the analogous magic number for 2020? It’s even smaller.

Final tallies are being completed; Georgia is conducting a hand recount, and there could be a recount in Wisconsin if the Trump campaign decides to pay for one. But here are the margins by which Biden won three critical states, as of Wednesday morning:

Arizona: 10,457
Georgia: 14,028
Wisconsin: 20,565
Total: 45,050

f we’re thinking about whether Trump could make up any of those deficits in a recount, the answer is almost certainly no; recounts seldom find mistakes that move more than a few hundred votes in one direction or another, and could just as easily make Biden’s leads larger.

But if Trump had managed to get those 45,000 votes, he would have won 37 more electoral votes, making the electoral college a 269-to-269 tie. Under the Constitution, the election would have then been decided by the House of Representatives, with each state delegation getting just one vote. Even though Democrats have a majority in the House, more state delegations have Republican majorities. Trump would have been reelected.

That’s the bullet we just dodged, all because of 45,000 votes.

Which raises the question of whether Trump might still be able to convince election officials and courts to toss out enough Democratic votes to pull it off.

The answer at this point is plainly no. The simple reason is that there are no grounds to do so and no fraud to be found (despite Republicans’ efforts). The suits they have filed around the country have been almost laughed out of court — but they’re still trying. On Tuesday, the Trump campaign filed suit in Nevada asking that Biden’s 34,000-vote victory simply be nullified and the state’s electoral votes be awarded to Trump or at least given to neither candidate. In Pennsylvania, the increasingly unhinged Rudolph W. Giuliani, appearing in court for the first time in decades, made an utter fool out of himself; as one report described his performance, “Over the next several hours, he fiddled with his Twitter account, forgot which judge he was talking to and threw around wild, unsupported accusations about a nationwide conspiracy by Democrats to steal the election.”

nd in Michigan, the Republican members of the elections board of Wayne County, which includes Detroit, initially refused to certify the results; one of them said that she’d be willing to certify those from cities other than Detroit. It was a momentary lifting of the veil, as the GOP’s belief that the votes of Black people are inherently illegitimate became disturbingly explicit.

After an outpouring of protest, the two Republicans relented and certified the results. But had they been more committed to giving Trump the election at all costs, we could have eventually found ourselves in the situation many feared, in which a state’s Republican legislature simply decided to grant its electoral votes to Trump no matter what the voters wanted.

And if one state’s GOP legislature did it, others might have, too. The legislatures in Wisconsin, Arizona and Georgia are all controlled by Republicans.

At this point, it isn’t going to happen. But what if, say, Trump had won Arizona and Georgia (which would have taken just 25,000 votes combined), and it was all up to Wisconsin? Would the Republican legislators who engineered the country’s most brutal partisan gerrymander have respected the will of the voters enough not to just hand Trump the election?

Fortunately, we won’t have to find out. But the fact that we came so close shows us how fragile this system is. Until we find a way to fix it, we’ll always live with the threat of the kind of stolen election Trump is still hoping he can pull off.
snood
 
  4  
Wed 18 Nov, 2020 10:46 am
@revelette3,
I think one man one vote would be an effective way to “fix” the system.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Wed 18 Nov, 2020 10:51 am
@snood,
Quote:
I think one man one vote would be an effective way to “fix” the system.

That didn't happen this time. You just want to cheat on this election?
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coldjoint
 
  -2  
Wed 18 Nov, 2020 10:53 am
@blatham,
Quote:
He is not only completely without grace, he is very much a coward.

Any evaluation of anyone's character from you is worth as much as your word. And that is zero.
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coldjoint
 
  -2  
Wed 18 Nov, 2020 10:54 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
When people commit crimes they don’t think they’ll get caught.

Obama did, and he got caught. The people behind this fraud will be caught too.
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coldjoint
 
  -2  
Wed 18 Nov, 2020 11:00 am
@revelette3,
Quote:
As President Trump refuses to concede that he lost the election, and his dead-enders trot out increasingly bizarre conspiracy theories and legal tantrums, we are witnessing an attack on democracy that is at turns sickening and comical. But as it turns more the latter than the former, we should be aware of how close we came to catastrophe.

There is nothing bizarre about the Democrats party poor performance and 1 in a million statistics that characterize Bidens vote. There is nothing bizarre about questioning the software and Dominion machines after to Democratic presidential hopefuls did. There is nothing bizarre about people being blocked from observing vote counting because it happened.

Your article is bullshit meant for low information, stupid or totally dishonest people who think stealing an election is somehow their right. A very sorry media and sorrier group of Americans.


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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Wed 18 Nov, 2020 11:19 am
Quote:
Data Scientist Discovers Unusual Change in Votes


Quote:
Data scientist Sarah Eaglesfield says she discovered unusual changes in vote counts in several states during the 2020 election.

According to her research, nearly 60 counties across the United States had ballots removed from the total count after they’d been counted.

She said that the changes in data indicate the vote-counting software, known as Dominion Voting Systems, is flawed.
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Based on her analysis, ballots in Wayne County, Michigan were counted more than once. Numbers show that ballots with the same voter ID appeared several times in the vote-counting software.

She explained she feels the discrepancies combined with evidence of dead voters make it impossible for anyone to determine what the real election results were.

Sarah Eaglesfield said: “Any news or any figures that are being fed back to you, they might be accurate within a few hundred thousand, but they’re not going to be the accurate result for the state, unless there’s been a hand count, and I believe all the states do need to audit what they’re turning over.”

Since the topic was first mentioned, many major media outlets dismissed the possibility of voter fraud and other forms of election interference, including glitches in vote-counting software.

Sarah said it’s integral for a fair election to report accurate figures.

Oh Oh. She has to be able to prove this or she wouldn't say it.
https://www.ntd.com/data-scientist-discovered-unusual-change-in-votes_529461.html
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Wed 18 Nov, 2020 11:26 am
Quote:
Pro-Biden Data Scientist Finds Disturbing Voting Irregularities In Biden’s Favor


Quote:

The moment when Michigan counted 149,772 votes in 5 seconds and less than 6,000 of them were for Trump. @melisandrePro @APhilosophae @JackPosobiec

(check my work please – it’s almost 3am) pic.twitter.com/LJt6hxjJbA

— Sarah Eaglesfield (@zenxv) November 9, 2020

Yeah. Biden got all but 6,000 votes Laughing

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Software glitch going on here in Virginia.
4.42am – “We’ve counted 3,368,181 votes!”
5.12am – “Wait, no, we’ve only counted 3,199,165 votes” pic.twitter.com/zuwsXWa8He

— Sarah Eaglesfield (@zenxv) November 9, 2020

Where is the media?
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And for those liberal media fact-checkers who say Sarah’s scientific data can’t be trusted because she’s a Trump-supporting right-wing activist, there is this:

Unpopular opinion round off.

I’ve always loved @JoeBiden, but didn’t feel he was the right pick this time. Not 100% convinced @realDonaldTrump is.

Any party wanting democracy should be very concerned about what we’ve uncovered today.

And please do fact check the data, @jack

— Sarah Eaglesfield (@zenxv) November 9, 2020

Start debunking.
https://defconnews.com/2020/11/09/pro-biden-data-scientist-finds-disturbing-voting-irregularities-in-bidens-favor/
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Wed 18 Nov, 2020 11:34 am
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Captured in Real Time: That Moment in Virginia at 5:12 AM Where they Took 169,000 Votes Off the State Totals

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/data-virginia--600x323.jpg
That is fraud. That is proof.
Quote:
The media wants us to shut up and get in line.
Sorry.

Again I have seen nothing on the media telling us this or debunking this. FRAUD. Where are you hightor?
https://nworeport.me/2020/11/10/captured-in-real-time-that-moment-in-virginia-at-512-am-where-they-took-169000-votes-off-the-state-totals/
McGentrix
 
  -1  
Wed 18 Nov, 2020 11:41 am
@snood,
snood wrote:

I think one man one vote would be an effective way to “fix” the system.


Yes, that is a good simple minded plan. It's great for a class President but not so much for the President of the United States.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Wed 18 Nov, 2020 12:02 pm
Quote:
HUGE! Elections Security Expert Finds Michigan Results a COMPLETE FRAUD — Current Machines Do Not Have Capability to Count the Mass Dumps for Biden in Reported Time Period (VIDEO)

Quote:
Ramsland confirmed the vote was fraudulent and he has proof!

That is all I need. And hopefully all Trump needs.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/huge-elections-security-expert-finds-wisconsin-results-complete-fraud-current-machines-not-capability-count-mass-dumps-biden-reported-time-period-video/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons
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Rebelofnj
 
  3  
Wed 18 Nov, 2020 12:08 pm
@coldjoint,
If a random news site found this a week ago, then I'm going to assume the Trump Campaign's legal team have also found this and are using it in their lawsuits.
 

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