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Region Philbis
 
  2  
Thu 12 Nov, 2020 06:09 am

Jeffress, staunch Trump evangelical supporter, calls Biden president-elect

One of Trump’s earliest and staunchest evangelical supporters, Dallas pastor Robert Jeffress,
is calling Biden the president-elect.

In a Fox News column Jeffress did not seem overjoyed with the reality of the situation, calling
Biden’s win a "bitter pill to swallow," but he did attempt to guide other Trump supporters on
how Christians should respond...
oralloy
 
  -2  
Thu 12 Nov, 2020 06:11 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
We already have Freedomeyelove’s sockpuppet Derpy Derp trying to stir up violence on another thread, putting words in the mouth of AOC.

That is completely untrue. AOC said exactly what she is accused of saying.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Thu 12 Nov, 2020 06:12 am
@Rebelofnj,
Rebelofnj wrote:
I would find the Washington Post to be credible, seeing as Trump had no issue with talking to its editors over the years, including associate editor Bob Woodward.

I view their credibility situationally. They are fine for reporting breaking news and the like.

But they do their best to whitewash any fact that is inconvenient for the left. Their lies of omission ruin their overall credibility.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Thu 12 Nov, 2020 06:14 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
I think it's to establish the illegitimacy of the Biden Administration from the very start.

Yes. What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.


hightor wrote:
They couldn't do that with Obama because his victory was too large so they used a different tactic.

All they did with Mr. Obama is get payback for what the Democrats did to W.

All they are doing with Mr. Biden is getting payback for what the Democrats did to Mr. Trump.

There's a pattern here actually. I don't think I'm the only one who can see it.


hightor wrote:
I can't help thinking that at some point the cognitive dissonance will be too much -- but then again, these are people who defended Trump for four years.

No cognitive dissonance has ever been required in order to defend Mr. Trump. All that is required is simply telling the truth.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Thu 12 Nov, 2020 06:15 am
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:
The issue is, even though it's PROVEN there's no way Trump won the election, you still won't accept that.
No matter what, you'll always think it's a "stolen" election.

Even if it is true that Mr. Biden won and people are rejecting him unjustly, that's no different from the way Mr. Trump was treated.

So what's the difference? Either Mr. Biden is rejected by the American people because he cheated, or Mr. Biden is rejected by the American people as payback for how Mr. Trump was treated.

Either way, the American people reject the Biden Administration.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Thu 12 Nov, 2020 06:17 am
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:
Half the country was fed propaganda and refuse any other reasoning.

Even if that is true, it's no different from the way the left treated Mr. Trump.

What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
Rebelofnj
 
  3  
Thu 12 Nov, 2020 06:21 am
@oralloy,
You really do like repeating certain phrases

It is either "What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander" or "Outlawing the Democratic Party".

I figured a genius such as yourself would be more creative and diverse in discussions.
snood
 
  3  
Thu 12 Nov, 2020 06:21 am
Karl Rove writes in the Wall Street Journal that Trump’s efforts “certainly aren’t going to be enough to overturn the election result”.


When you lose Karl Rove...
oralloy
 
  -2  
Thu 12 Nov, 2020 06:21 am
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:
They are not denials, they are rebukes of a failed Administration.

The denials of Mr. Biden's legitimacy are equally rebukes of a failed administration.

What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
Rebelofnj
 
  3  
Thu 12 Nov, 2020 06:24 am
Trump insists he’ll win, but aides say he has no real plan to overturn results and talks of 2024 run

Quote:
President Trump declared Wednesday on Twitter, “WE WILL WIN!”

But, in fact, the president has no clear endgame to actually win the election — and, in an indication he may be starting to come to terms with his loss, he is talking privately about running again in 2024.

Trump aides, advisers and allies said there is no grand strategy to reverse the election results, which show President-elect Joe Biden with a majority of electoral college votes, as well as a 5 million-vote lead in the national popular vote.

Asked about Trump’s ultimate plan, one senior administration official chuckled and said, “You’re giving everybody way too much credit right now.”

Republican officials have scrambled nationwide to produce evidence of widespread voter fraud that could bolster the Trump campaign’s legal challenges, but no such evidence has surfaced. And Biden’s lead in several states targeted by the Trump campaign has expanded as late-counted votes are reported. In all-important Pennsylvania, the Democrat now leads by more than 50,000 votes.

Still, the absence of evidence and of a comprehensive and realistic plan to overcome Trump’s significant deficit and secure him a second term have not stopped some of the leading figures in the administration and the Republican Party from amplifying the president’s misinformation about the election outcome.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo’s recent pledge for “a smooth transition to a second Trump administration” and Vice President Pence’s assertion that the election was not over have helped sow public doubt about the integrity of the vote and raised concerns from allies abroad about the state of America’s democracy.

Save for a visit Wednesday to Arlington National Cemetery in observance of Veterans Day, Trump has not appeared in public since last Thursday, when he delivered a statement challenging preliminary election results. He has instead addressed the election in social media posts or through his spokespeople, promising to keep fighting until he is declared the winner.

Trump has been spending his days largely on the phone, calling advisers, allies and friends. The president has been “trying to find people who will give him good news,” one adviser said.

Still, Trump has indicated in some of these conversations that he understands Biden will take over the presidency on Jan. 20, Inauguration Day. Rather than talking about a second term, Trump has been matter-of-factly discussing a possible 2024 campaign — an indication that he knows his time as president is coming to an end, at least for now.

“I’m just going to run in 2024. I’m just going to run again,” Trump has been saying, according to a senior administration official who has spoken with him this week.

That official, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to candidly recount sensitive internal conversations.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-election-results-strategy/2020/11/11/a32e2cba-244a-11eb-952e-0c475972cfc0_story.html
oralloy
 
  -3  
Thu 12 Nov, 2020 06:27 am
@Rebelofnj,
I'm not one of the people who he is calling for advice. But if I were, I'd advise him to appoint some independent prosecutors to relentlessly hound the Biden Administration with criminal investigations.
Rebelofnj
 
  4  
Thu 12 Nov, 2020 06:28 am
@snood,
Trump's former advisor John Bolton said similar thoughts, in an opinion piece he wrote for the Washington Post:

Quote:
It is simply a truism that Trump has a legal right to pursue all appropriate election-law remedies to ensure an accurate, lawful vote count. To be credible, however, any aggrieved candidate must at some point produce valid legal arguments and persuasive evidence.

Trump has so far failed to do so, and there is no indication he can. If he can’t, his “right” to contest the election is beside the point. The real issue is the grievous harm he is causing to public trust in America’s constitutional system. Trump’s time is running out, even as his rhetoric continues escalating. And time is running out for Republicans who hope to maintain the party’s credibility, starting with Georgia’s two Senate runoffs in January. Here is the cold political reality: Trump is enhancing his own brand (in his mind) while harming the Republican brand. The party needs a long internal conversation about the post-Trump era, but first it needs to get there honorably.

Consider the competing interests. Donald Trump’s is simple and straightforward: Donald Trump. The near-term Republican interest is winning the Georgia runoffs. The long-term Republican interest emphatically involves winning those Senate seats, but it also involves rejecting Trump’s personalized, erratic, uncivil, unpresidential and ultimately less-than-effective politics and governance.

One approach holds that coddling Trump while he trashes the U.S. electoral system will help him get over the loss, thereby making it easier to reconcile him to leaving the Oval Office. But this coddling strategy is exactly backward. The more Republican leaders kowtow, the more Trump believes he is still in control and the less likely he will do what normal presidents do: make a gracious concession speech; fully cooperate with the president-elect in a smooth transition process; and validate the election process itself by joining his successor at the Jan. 20 inauguration.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/john-bolton-trump-republicans-concession-transition/2020/11/11/aabcf372-2430-11eb-a688-5298ad5d580a_story.html
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Rebelofnj
 
  4  
Thu 12 Nov, 2020 06:32 am
@oralloy,
Then you should email your elected officials so that they can urge Trump to do so, instead of repeating this every other day.

Here is the link to all of your congressmen and women of your state.
https://www.house.gov/representatives#state-michigan
blatham
 
  2  
Thu 12 Nov, 2020 06:36 am
@Region Philbis,
Quote:
Jeffress, staunch Trump evangelical supporter, calls Biden president-elect

That's a bit surprising, though I'm not terribly familiar with Jeffress, I confess. I expect he'll stand alone among Evangelicals for a while or longer as the extremism in this community is deep and of long-standing. Watch this speech by James Robison in support of Reagan in 1980 (and those paying attention can draw clear parallels with Barr's speech last year at the Catholic Notre Dame)
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blatham
 
  3  
Thu 12 Nov, 2020 06:41 am
This continuing concentration of attention on Trump serves GOP purposes, folks. Trump has no way forward. It's noise. It's "flooding the zone with ****". You know what's happening with the pandemic. You know the GOP is and will salt the earth to hurt Biden. **** Trump.
revelette3
 
  3  
Thu 12 Nov, 2020 06:43 am
@blatham,
Pence would probably thank him and support him, he is so wimpy.
farmerman
 
  3  
Thu 12 Nov, 2020 06:45 am
@oralloy,
the white house security stated (the chief resigned) , that security has several ways to remove unwanted left over administrations in a gentle non threatening style. And the military has pledged hands off to any requests by the outgoing to "Assist"

This is beginning to sound like Fort Sumter
oralloy
 
  -2  
Thu 12 Nov, 2020 06:46 am
@farmerman,
There's isn't going to be a civil war here. The Biden Administration is just going to be relentlessly undermined and opposed like the Trump Administration was relentlessly undermined and opposed.

Mr. Trump will get his second term in 2025.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Thu 12 Nov, 2020 06:48 am
@Rebelofnj,
Rebelofnj wrote:
You really do like repeating certain phrases

It's curious that you don't comment on progressives endlessly repeating the same points, but you do comment on the fact that I have the same answers to the same points when progressives endlessly repeat them.

Speaking of repetition, didn't I already address the subject of repetition:
https://able2know.org/topic/355218-4955#post-7079272 ?


Rebelofnj wrote:
I figured a genius such as yourself would be more creative and diverse in discussions.

I'm not very creative. I'm very good at facts, but those don't tend to change over time.

So long as progressives say the same thing over and over and over again, my replies to them are likely to remain the same.

My reply to the issue of repetition will be the same next time that's repeated.
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oralloy
 
  -4  
Thu 12 Nov, 2020 06:49 am
@Rebelofnj,
Rebelofnj wrote:
Then you should email your elected officials so that they can urge Trump to do so, instead of repeating this every other day.

Perhaps the progressives here should email their thoughts to their elected officials instead of posting them here all day.

I do email elected officials now and then. I recently emailed my state representative and state senator asking for hearings into ballot fraud in the recent election.

Such emails do not preclude me posting my thoughts here as well however.

If I were to email my advice regarding the appointment of independent prosecutors, I would not email a third party urging them to pass my thoughts along (even though that process does appeal to the Catholic in me). I would instead email the White House directly.

I believe there is a way for the public to email the President. Whether my email would reach the President's eyes I've no idea. But that's the route that I will take if I choose to send my thoughts his way.
 

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