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Builder
 
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Wed 11 Nov, 2020 01:57 am
@farmerman,
Quote:
Because, in the short 4 years of the Trump regime, weve gone from a Democratic Republic to a DICTATORSHIP.


Then we should actually be very grateful that he's shown so much restraint, and not bombed another nation back into the stone age, like Obama did.
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oralloy
 
  1  
Wed 11 Nov, 2020 02:07 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
Trump is taking us there.

No he isn't.


farmerman wrote:
Listen to Pompeo and all Trump's Senate lackies except for 4 GOPers.
I know all you will do is try to impugn those 4.

Nah. No impugning. I'll just say "no he isn't" (above) and call it a night. I'm getting tired.


farmerman wrote:
Hes a sore loser, (Trump that is)

Good.


farmerman wrote:
BTW, where is el Duce, has he already left on the Mother Ship?

I have no idea who you are referring to.
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oristarA
 
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Wed 11 Nov, 2020 02:15 am
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

I said I did not believe a thing the WPoo said. This proves they are liars and have no credibility.
No one will listen to the WP unless they plan on trying to perpetuate obvious lies like this one. It is over for the media. They really are the enemy of the people.


Why didn't he demand the WP to show the affidavit signed by him, which is a written statement confirmed by oath for use as evidence in court? Has the WP forged it? Or didn't he have the courage to do it? With the evidence at hand, of course the WP will not retract it.

Common sense is that evidence speaks louder than words. Let's see why he doesn't have the nerve to demand the newspaper to show the affidavit signed by him.

You called the WP the enemy of the people simply on this guy's words? Five million more voters voted Biden - would this mean that Trump is the enemy of the people according to your logic?

Be evidence-based, be prudent in your words; don't disseminate hate, don't disseminate division.
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FreedomEyeLove
 
  1  
Wed 11 Nov, 2020 02:29 am
@farmerman,
If you love communism so much farmer joe, why not move to China?
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hightor
 
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Wed 11 Nov, 2020 03:31 am
White House threatens to fire anyone who tries to quit


Meanwhile, Trump campaign staffers are being told to 'stay in the fight,' even though their jobs are slated to end next week


Quote:
While the employment of Donald Trump and thousands of his political appointees will officially come to an end on Jan. 20 with the inauguration of President-elect Joe Biden, the Associated Press is reporting that White House personnel director John McEntee told departments to fire any political appointees discovered to be looking for a new job.

An unnamed White House source said that McEntee told department heads to get rid of any political appointees looking for their next jobs while Trump is still falsely claiming he has not lost the 2020 presidential election.

Meanwhile, Trump's campaign is telling its staff to keep up the fight for the White House, but it's unclear whether those staffers will still be employed next week, CNN reports.

On Monday, leaders of the campaign reminded staffers that the election was not over and told them, "Stay in the fight!"

But the staffers, employed with contracts that expire on Nov. 15, have not been told whether the contracts will be extended.

"Hard for people to stay in the fight when they'll be unemployed a week from today," a campaign source said.

After a staff meeting, a campaign staffer printing their resume in the office was yelled at by an assistant to campaign manager Bill Stepien.

All this is happening as Trump and his allies mount an all-out legal battle to try to prevent the transition to a Joe Biden administration, filing lawsuit after lawsuit to toss out ballots and stop vote-counting based on unfounded claims of voter fraud.

The AP reported that a delegation from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe that monitored the U.S. election found no evidence to support Trump's claims about alleged absentee ballot fraud: "We looked into this," said the mission's head, German lawmaker Michael Georg Link. "We found no violations of the rules whatsoever."

He added that Trump cannot stop the vote-counting, noting: "Responsibility for the count lies exclusively with states."

Some GOP lawmakers are also pushing back against Trump's baseless election fraud claims.

On Friday, Sen. Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania said, "There's simply no evidence anyone has shown me of any widespread corruption or fraud."

Rep. Adam Kinzinger of Illinois tweeted Thursday urging, "STOP Spreading debunked misinformation."

Sen. Rob Portman of Ohio issued a statement in which, while congratulation Trump on winning in his state, he said: "Under our Constitution, state legislatures set the rules and states administer our elections. We should respect that process and ensure that all ballots cast in accordance with state laws are counted. It’s that simple. I hope we can reach a final resolution as quickly as possible."

Meanwhile, President-elect Biden and his team are proceeding with work on his transition to the White House.

"The crises facing the country are severe—from a pandemic to an economic recession, climate change to racial injustice—and the transition team will continue preparing at full speed so that the Biden-Harris Administration can hit the ground running on Day One," a source with the transition team told the Wall Street Journal.

The campaign's "Build Back Better" website now includes information about the transition.

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blatham
 
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Wed 11 Nov, 2020 04:07 am
@hightor,
What is your take on why they are continuing to to present this election as stolen?
hightor
 
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Wed 11 Nov, 2020 04:23 am
Quote:
If you love communism so much farmer joe, why not move to China?

Besides never having seen farmerman declare his "love" for communism, the question is based on the fallacious assumption that China is a communist country and not a state-capitalist dictatorship teeming with millionaires and drunk on nationalism. The country boasts the second highest number of billionaires in the world. People have to pay for medical care or buy health insurance. Independent labor unions are banned. And its difficult to see how any country with as spectacular a growth rate as China could possibly be "communist" as we've all been taught that communism is an inefficient system which leads to poverty. Right-wing politicians in the USA like to make the point that the Democratic Party in the USA is not really "democratic" at all. For some reason they're unable to apply that same attitude with respect to the "Communist Party" in China.
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Brand X
 
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Wed 11 Nov, 2020 04:23 am
It all stems from Trump who has always been able to lead GOPers by the nose like Pied Piper.

There is no evidence, they are on a witch hunt, flinging poo to see if there is anything that can stick. Trump will play this until January 19 and this is going to cause his mental degradation to accelerate. I don't think we've seen the worst of him yet.
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hightor
 
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Wed 11 Nov, 2020 04:32 am
@blatham,
I think it's to establish the illegitimacy of the Biden Administration from the very start. They couldn't do that with Obama because his victory was too large so they used a different tactic. But the effect was the same — make the country ungovernable and call in the astroturf revolutionaries in the midterms to cement control of Congress. How gleefully they repeat the same lies over and over even as they are exposed as lies! I can't help thinking that at some point the cognitive dissonance will be too much — but then again, these are people who defended Trump for four years. Although I did see one interesting development in the NYT yesterday — some of the QAnon followers have gotten disillusioned after Trump wasn't re-elected in the predicted landslide and are having second thoughts.
blatham
 
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Wed 11 Nov, 2020 05:05 am
@hightor,
Yes. Though there's variation in motive (Trump's motives being different from McConnell's which differ from the Koch crowd which are different from Tucker Carlson's or Giuliani's) all clearly see some benefit in playing the same game.

And with you, I'm not confident that cognitive dissonance will be acute enough to change very many in the right wing base, other than to see them jump to another lily-pad of paranoid formulation. Another example is the Christian right where Michelle Bachmann and Paula White (and surely many others) proclaimed voices from God sharing His confidences that Trump would be victorious.
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snood
 
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Wed 11 Nov, 2020 05:28 am
I heard Kasey Hunt this morning saying that the reason most Republicans are going along with this sham is because - wait for it - they are still deathly afraid of receiving mean tweets from Trump. This is epic, historic cowardice.

That’s the real skinny isn’t it? I mean it sounds moronic when you just say it plainly like that, but that’s what it comes down to. Because Trump’s loyal supporters take everything Trump says to heart, and they also happen to make up all those GOP Senators’ and congresspersons’ constituencies, so they’re ruled by their fear that Trump might say something nasty about them.
hightor
 
  4  
Wed 11 Nov, 2020 05:48 am
@snood,
I agree, but Frank Apisa's take on it is also in play — they're not personally afraid of Trump but they know one Trump tweet is all it would take to have goons with pitchforks at their office door and probably a primary opponent in '22.
snood
 
  4  
Wed 11 Nov, 2020 06:11 am
@hightor,
I don’t think I’m saying anything different. It’s fear of losing their positions because of Trump’s influence on their constituents.
MontereyJack
 
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Wed 11 Nov, 2020 06:37 am
@snood,
The claims of voter fraud are bogus.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/postal-worker-admits-fabricating-trump-pushed-claims-of-voter-fraud-in-pennsylvania-house-committee/ar-BB1aTukh?ocid=msedgdhp

the international observers, and the election officials booth red and bluewho say the election was full sand fair, and the courts which keep shooting down the trump lawyers' cases as flimsy and nonsense, all agree.
BIDEN WON. STOP THE TRUMP-GOP ATTMPTS TO STEAL THE ELECTION,
izzythepush
 
  1  
Wed 11 Nov, 2020 07:04 am
A bomb has just gone off in Saudi Arabia during a Remembrance Day ceremony at a non Muslim cemetery. The dead and injured are all foreign nationals.
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farmerman
 
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Wed 11 Nov, 2020 07:15 am
@MontereyJack,
I was watching Fox news this AM and Im amazed at how the simple reality of the election and the transparency it was afforded has just been denied by the talking heads who want to "restore confidence in our election process". I have no idea how Trump pulls off his Fagin act. Theres gotta be some economic benefit to Murdoch to have his news staffers drink from the KOOL AID pitcher . Actually though, Im not sure whether these folks were reporters or commentator/entertainers (like Hannity)
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Region Philbis
 
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Wed 11 Nov, 2020 07:20 am

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revelette3
 
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Wed 11 Nov, 2020 08:04 am
Quote:
WASHINGTON—Several conservative Supreme Court justices joined liberals voicing skepticism that the entire Affordable Care Act must fall because of one change Congress made in 2017, suggesting the law may survive its latest test in the high court.

A Texas-led group of Republican-leaning states, backed by the Trump administration, contend that the 2017 tax law that reduced to zero the ACA’s penalty for failing to have insurance destroyed its constitutional foundation. The Supreme Court found in 2012 that the law was justified under Congress’s power to levy taxes.

California and a coalition of liberal-trending states, joined by the Democratic-controlled House, defended the law, arguing that a mandate without a penalty makes carrying insurance a personal choice rather than a legal command, but that even if the mandate is unconstitutional, the balance of the 1,000-page law, including provisions protecting Americans with pre-existing conditions, should stand.


“It’s hard for you to argue that Congress intended the entire act to fall if the mandate were struck down when the same Congress that lowered the penalty to zero did not even try to repeal the rest of the act,” Chief Justice John Roberts told Texas’s lawyer, Kyle Hawkins, the state solicitor general.

Mr. Hawkins argued that the move, even if inadvertent, made the entire law unconstitutional, because the statute still says that most Americans “shall” carry health insurance, a command that the Supreme Court found justified only if it were enforced through a tax penalty.

Justice Brett Kavanaugh said that even if elimination of the penalty made the mandate unconstitutional, the court’s precedents required upholding as much of a statute as possible. He said that all indications were that the rest of the ACA, with provisions extending Medicaid coverage to the working poor, allocating subsidies for lower-income Americans to purchase private insurance, and protecting individuals with pre-existing conditions, could independently stand.

“It does seem fairly clear that the proper remedy would be to sever the mandate provision and leave the rest of the act in place, the provisions regarding pre-existing conditions and the rest,” Justice Kavanaugh told Mr. Hawkins.

The Texas lawyer returned to the core of his argument: that the 2010 Congress which passed the ACA had referred to the mandate as essential to make a private insurance market providing near-universal coverage economically feasible. That language effectively indicated that lawmakers would have preferred never to have passed the ACA rather than see it continue without the insurance mandate, he said.

The House’s lawyer, Donald Verrilli, said the 2010 Congress expected the mandate would be necessary to establish the expanded private insurance marketplace envisioned by the ACA. But by 2017, he said, it was clear that the markets were functioning adequately and would continue to do so without the compulsion to carry insurance.

The 2010 Congress, then under Democratic control, used “a carrot and stick approach” to create the ACA framework, with incentives to get coverage and penalties for avoiding it, said Mr. Verrilli, who as solicitor general in the Obama administration, successfully defended the law in previous cases.

“It’s turned out that the carrots work without the stick,” Mr. Verrilli said. “Congress is allowed to learn from experience, empirical experience in the world, and adjust its policy choices.”

Some conservative justices appeared more open to the challengers’ arguments.

“A lot of members in 2017 may well have thought that eliminating the penalty or the tax would not cause any harm and the whole Act could continue to function well without it,” said Justice Samuel Alito. “But others who voted for it may have done so precisely because they wanted the whole thing to fall,” intentionally injecting a fatal constitutional defect.

New Justice Amy Coney Barrett, who Democrats at her confirmation hearings portrayed as a dire threat to the ACA, asked largely technical questions that avoided signaling her thinking on the case.

The three liberal justices, for their part, suggested the case should be dismissed outright because since there were no adverse consequences for failing to carry insurance, there was no remedy the court could provide.

Justice Elena Kagan observed that the court upheld the individual mandate when the penalty was several hundred dollars. “The only thing that’s changed is something that made the law less coercive,” she said.

One of President Trump’s top goals, frequently voiced during his 2016 campaign, was getting rid of the ACA. However, while he has long said he has an alternative health plan in the works, he has never released one. And while Republicans opposed the ACA from the get go, they never found enough support to repeal the law, even when they controlled both houses of Congress. But the 2017 measure effectively eliminated the provision Republicans found most objectionable, the mandate to carry insurance.

President-elect Joe Biden, who ran on expanding the ACA, held a press conference following the arguments to reiterate his plans to build on Obamacare.

“Regardless of the outcome of this case, I promise you this: Beginning on Jan. 20, Vice President-elect Harris and I, we’re going to do everything in our power to ease the burden of health care on you and your families,” Mr. Biden said. He said his transition team would soon start work “to flesh out the details so that we can hit the ground running: Tackling cost, increasing access, lowering the price of prescription drugs. Families are reeling right now,” he said.

Democrats have continued to make defense of the ACA a principal political issue.

A federal district judge in Fort Worth, Texas, ruled in favor of those challenging the law. Last year, a federal appeals court in New Orleans upheld most of that decision, leaving open the question of severability.

Eliminating the ACA would strip insurance from at least 20 million Americans who currently receive coverage through its expansion of Medicaid coverage and subsidies for private insurance.

Moreover, the law is now firmly entrenched in the U.S. health system. The ACA ensures coverage of preventive care, including a possible Covid-19 vaccine, without cost sharing in Medicare, Medicaid and private insurance.

The ACA also has spurred federal programs that pay doctors and hospitals for patient outcomes rather than giving them a fee for each service; guaranteed coverage for people with pre-existing health conditions; and put limits on out-of-pocket costs for care.


WSJ
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snood
 
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Wed 11 Nov, 2020 08:40 am
Donald Trump entered presidential politics in 2015-2016 and his campaign was launched and fueled by two lies: Obama was not born in America, and Trump is going to build a big beautiful impregnable wall on our southern border that’s financed by Mexico.

Now in his single term’s last days, he’s trying to peddle another lie: That he won the 2020 election but it was stolen from him.

He came in with lies, he’s going out with lies.

I’ll be so damn GLAD when he has to GTFO of the White House.


Rebelofnj
 
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Wed 11 Nov, 2020 08:44 am
@snood,
Don't forget that he promised to "lock up" Hillary Clinton.
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