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camlok
 
  2  
Thu 16 Feb, 2017 12:13 pm
@layman,
Americans are big cheese eaters. layman. Ever had a double cheeseburger?
blatham
 
  2  
Thu 16 Feb, 2017 12:15 pm
Josh has a very thoughtful piece up right now. I do recommend it. After warning of the dangers of an intelligence community at odds with the WH, he goes on:
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One of the rejoinders here, one of the most sophisticated arguments, about these leaks is that Trump is shaking up the government's old ways. And right or wrong you'd expect the bureaucracies in place to resist that. Indeed, one of the mysteries of that Eli Lake piece I mentioned above is this. Lake is generally associated with the people who back in the aughts we called "neo-conservatives." Today though most of those people are either Trump skeptics or vociferously anti-Trump. So why is Lake portraying Flynn as an intelligence "reformer" who "threatened the bureaucratic prerogatives of his rivals."

What's that about? Here's my take. On its face it seems like a strange place for Lake to be. But look at the book Flynn published last year: The Field of Fight. He coauthored it with Michael Ledeen. Ledeen has always rightly been associated with the neoconservative movement. But he's actually a variant strain of that world on the farthest right, with the most conspiratorial, renegade mindset. Ledeen also has a longstanding devotion to and focus on the philosophical movements around and underpinnings of Italian fascism. Ledeen and his collaborators are at the far fringe of the people who literally got the country into the Iran/Contra scandal and pushed hardest to manufacture and imagine tales of ties between Iraq and al Qaida, imminent threats from Iraqi nuclear weapons and all manner of other catastrophe-inducing folly.

Lets remember, Flynn among many, many other things, seriously entertained the idea that Hillary Clinton and her top aides was running a child sex ring out of a pizza shop in Washington, DC. He is not a reformer. He is someone prone to conspiracy theories and craziness. There's been a lot of discussion of what happened to Flynn. Many people who worked with him as recently as half a dozen years ago talk about him as being a different person than the one they've spoken to or seen speak in the last year or two.
TPM
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hightor
 
  3  
Thu 16 Feb, 2017 12:20 pm
@camlok,
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Americans are big cheese eaters.

Over thirty pounds a year, per capita! You can see the results at your local Mall-Wart.
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blatham
 
  4  
Thu 16 Feb, 2017 12:50 pm
So, once again, Trump is going to the well for adulation with a rally! in Florida this weekend. What the hell, it's not as if there's work to do.

I've argued for a long while that Trump did not (and does not) want this job. He wanted all the unique celebrity perks of it but none of the responsibilities. And I do mean none. Thus the rallies before inauguration (while he should have been working his ass off instead) and thus this coming Rah Rah For Trump.

But Steve Benen offers up a Yikes! alternative explanation for Saturday in Florida.
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But what’s especially interesting about this week’s rally is that it’s apparently not a presidential event. White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer, asked about the Florida gathering yesterday, told reporters, “It’s being run by the campaign.”

I realize Spicer says a lot of things that shouldn’t be taken seriously, but in this case, I think he was serious. Less than a month into his first term, the president is holding a campaign rally in a swing state.

And I mean “campaign” in a literal sense. Donald Trump already has a campaign office, campaign staff, money in the campaign coffers, and even an official campaign slogan, all in advance of an election that’s 44 months away.

In other words, as profoundly silly as this may sound, the first campaign event of the 2020 election cycle will be … this Saturday.

In December, Kellyanne Conway denounced what she called the “permanent campaign.” That seems kind of hilarious now.
Benen
Preposterous? Come on. With this guy?

Predictions of rally speech content:
- Huge Electoral College Victory!!
- Flynn, a very good man, was brought down by the lying media and the traitorous low-life leakers, all in a raging madness at Trump's incredible landslide victory (three exclamation marks)
- Flynn is a victim. I am a victim. My family are victims. Putin is a victim. And that means YOU are all victims too (unknown number of exclamation marks)
- We've already done so much. It's incredible how much we've done already. Maybe more in one month than any president has done in his entire time in office. Incredible. Just incredible what we've already done. And the lying media isn't telling you about that, is it? We're solving the middle east. We're taking it to China, let me tell you. We're getting jobs back by the quadrillions all over the place and everyone is talking about it but the disgusting liars in the media. There's some of them over there in that cage. What should happen to them? That's right. Lock them up. Lock them up.
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TomTomBinks
 
  2  
Thu 16 Feb, 2017 12:52 pm
@layman,
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It's not yet been disclosed which cheese-eaters will serve as the "targets," though.

Maybe you, Layman. Will it still be funny?
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McGentrix
 
  -1  
Thu 16 Feb, 2017 01:08 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

"oralloy" is a self-proclaimed Einstein and assumes that his brilliance excuses him from meeting normal standards of rational discourse. We're lucky to have him here.


Sounds like you're a little threatened by his intelligence. I doubt anyone here would be able to claim what is "normal". You are right though, we ARE llucky to have him here.
georgeob1
 
  -2  
Thu 16 Feb, 2017 01:08 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

We both know why I bolded that phrase used by Thomas.


Until this I hadn't even noted that you bolded it. Even so I don't think your implied point is either accurate or significant. Trump's successful campaign occurred largely outside of what I believe you have in mind in your, always vague and mysterious, references to "movement conservatism". Moreover, the indicated. new activites being contemplated by Thomas's wife appear to be a continuation of that. Whatever you may think of this stuff it is at least as genuine and authentically populist as the 'spontaneous' demonstrations that have been springing up in reaction to Trump's presidency.
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McGentrix
 
  0  
Thu 16 Feb, 2017 01:10 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Citing three unnamed people


The propaganda machine rolls on...
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camlok
 
  1  
Thu 16 Feb, 2017 01:31 pm
@McGentrix,
What intelligence? He can't address any point whatsoever. He isn't even a good dancer, much like you, McGentrix.

And did I mention what intellectual cowards you are, again, that is illustrated by your inability to honestly address any issue whatsoever.
McGentrix
 
  -1  
Thu 16 Feb, 2017 01:36 pm
@camlok,
It's cute that you believe your words matter. Isn't there a conspiracy thread you should be attending to?
camlok
 
  -1  
Thu 16 Feb, 2017 01:49 pm
@McGentrix,
No, actually you should. Why are you so afraid?
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Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Thu 16 Feb, 2017 02:00 pm
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The US ambassador to the United Nations has insisted that Washington “absolutely” supported a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestine conflict, 24 hours after Donald Trump dropped US commitment to the policy.
[...]
In Bonn, the French foreign minister, Jean-Marc Ayrault, emerged from his first meeting with the new US secretary of state, Rex Tillerson, to describe the Trump administration’s Middle East policy as “confused and worrying”.

Ayrault pointed to Trump’s remarks in a joint appearance with the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, in which he explicitly abandoned the two decades-long US commitment to the creation of a Palestinian state alongside Israel as part of a final peace deal.

“I’m looking at two-state and one-state, and I like the one that both parties like. I’m very happy with the one that both parties like,” Trump said. “I can live with either one.” ... ...

After his meeting with Tillerson at the sidelines of a G20 meeting, Ayrault said: “I wanted to remind him after the meeting between Donald Trump and Netanyahu that in France’s view, there are no other options other than the perspective of a two-state solution and that the other option which Tillerson brought up was not realistic, fair or balanced.”

He did not give details about the option that Tillerson raised and the secretary of state did not take press questions, but he appears to have echoed Trump’s remarks suggesting other outcomes would be acceptable to the US.

“I found that there was a bit more precision even if I found that on the Israeli-Palestinian dossier it was very confused and worrying,” Ayrault told reporters. He also noted differences over the 2015 international nuclear deal with Iran, with the Trump administration wanting to review it “from scratch”.

... ... ...
Source
Trump has dismissed reports of chaos in his administration and claimed his team is running like "a fine-tuned machine" during a press conference today.
McGentrix
 
  0  
Thu 16 Feb, 2017 02:18 pm
http://i.imgur.com/ihbio5N.gif
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camlok
 
  1  
Thu 16 Feb, 2017 02:33 pm
@McGentrix,
It's cute that you believe your words matter.
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Has there ever been a better example of cognitive dissonance than this?

They are mostly not my words. They are the words of US government scientists; NIST, which is another group of US scientists. RJ Lee Group, which is a top US forensic engineering firm; ... .

I didn't go out to WTC sites and collect the examples of molten steel, molten iron. I didn't take pictures of them, do tests on them, describe them, catalog them.

This is a despicable ploy that has often been used by the US government and others to cow scientists and individual from speaking the truth. Is that really the American way? Is that how you seek the truth?

Pictures of molten metals, videos of molten metals, voluminous studies that have pointed out the molten metals and the silence is deafening.

What of curiosity?
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Baldimo
 
  0  
Thu 16 Feb, 2017 02:54 pm
@camlok,
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Why does it get tiring? You are under the impression, badly mistaken, that Trump is going to lead you all from this darkness.

I'm under no impression that Trump is going to lead me anywhere. Being a right of center candidate when it comes to tax plans would encompass Libertarians as well as Republicans. I voted for Gary Johnson, and my state when to Hillary so my vote for President didn't get me anything. I'm just happy that someone from the right is in charge and not Hillary. #neverhillary

Maybe you can answer a question for me that most leftist here on A2k either can't or won't. How does voting for a right of center candidate go against my best interests?

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The swamp Trump described wasn't simply one occupied by Dem alligators.

I'm fully aware of this, it's the reason I switched parties after the 2012 election and voted for Gary Johnson in this election, I also cast most of my state/local votes for Libertarian/Independent candidates. Only at the Senator level did I vote for the GOP candidate, I'm not a fan of Michael Bennet D-CO.



camlok
 
  2  
Thu 16 Feb, 2017 03:05 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo: Maybe you can answer a question for me that most leftist here on A2k either can't or won't. How does voting for a right of center candidate go against my best interests?
#######

Unlike a lot of people, there is no question I won't answer, or issue I won't address, save for those on which I am not knowledgeable enough to do so.

Now to your question. It doesn't, unless you have misjudged that candidate.

Now are you willing to address the issues I have raised? The ones with pictures that haven't been photoshopped?
Debra Law
 
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Thu 16 Feb, 2017 03:11 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

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Is it too early for our English speaking friends to learn the term "Gleichschaltung?"

I had to look it up. It's a dilly of a term in the present American context.
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In Nazi terminology, Gleichschaltung (German pronunciation: [ˈɡlaɪçʃaltʊŋ]), was the process of Nazification by which Nazi Germany successively established a system of totalitarian control and coordination over all aspects of society, "from the economy and trade associations to the media, culture and education".

Obviously, there isn't an on/off switch for these things. They take time and the necessary conditions to come into being. But interim steps in that direction are not at all difficult to identify in the present.


I think many of us thought of "Nazification" when Stephen Miller recently appeared on the talk show circuit. In Nazi form and glory, he condemned the judicial branch of government. He barked that Trump's powers are substantial and will not be questioned.

He looked and sounded like a Nazi.

He didn't line up everyone, draw his pistol, and put a bullet in everyone's head. Not yet anyway. But, the resistance has been warned.
maporsche
 
  5  
Thu 16 Feb, 2017 03:17 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

Maybe you can answer a question for me that most leftist here on A2k either can't or won't. How does voting for a right of center candidate go against my best interests?


Easy answer Baldimo. Many believe that if policies that the right were able to be enacted they way they want, things like the economy, the environment, healthcare, and overall well being of the people in this country would tank and your 'best interests' would tank right along with them.

The right is full of bad ideas (and a few good ones). Thank fully we have an opposition party.
hightor
 
  6  
Thu 16 Feb, 2017 03:28 pm
@McGentrix,
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Sounds like you're a little threatened by his intelligence.


No, it really doesn't sound like that at all. We've had some good exchanges although I get the feeling that he is replying pretty much by rote, especially with regard to 2nd Amendment issues. But hell, I'm sure we've all fallen back on well-worn humorless talking points on occasion.

I was disappointed in his characterization of Yonotan Shapira as a "self-hating Jew" and a "Nazi", though. I guess this is a typical attack line used by Likudniks, as President Trump’s nominee to be ambassador to Israel, David M. Friedman, had to apologize for a similar characterization during the campaign:

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Mr. Friedman came under fire last year for an op-ed he wrote for the website of Arutz Sheva, an Israeli media organization, in which he said supporters of the liberal Jewish lobbying organization J Street were “far worse than kapos,” referring to the Jews who cooperated with the Nazis.

NYT

This might qualify as a variation of "Goodwin's Law" :

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"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Hitler approaches 1"





oralloy
 
  -2  
Thu 16 Feb, 2017 03:45 pm
@camlok,
camlok wrote:
You continue with your usual arrant nonsense because you have only made false accusations,

Nope. All my accusations were true.
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