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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
izzythepush
 
  4  
Sat 27 Jun, 2020 07:09 am
@goldberg,
I don’t talk to Coldjoint. I don’t want to give the impression that his vile Nazi comments are worthy of discussion.
goldberg
 
  -1  
Sat 27 Jun, 2020 07:11 am
@izzythepush,
I know what are you talking about, dude. Problem is I don't wanna dwell on it here. Sorry. I just think that Europe still needs America's protection.
goldberg
 
  0  
Sat 27 Jun, 2020 07:13 am
@izzythepush,
Trump is just a bit player. The real threat facing America and Europe is the
real threat posed by foreign powers getting behind him.
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goldberg
 
  0  
Sat 27 Jun, 2020 07:15 am
@izzythepush,
They actually want Trump to win the upcoming election because dealing with Trump is a no-brainer for them. They know Trump's likes and dislikes.

Biden is still a mystery for them.

goldberg
 
  -2  
Sat 27 Jun, 2020 07:20 am
@goldberg,
A beautiful Russian girl hired by Putin may be going after me. I have to go into hiding.
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goldberg
 
  -1  
Sat 27 Jun, 2020 07:21 am
@izzythepush,
Take care.
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Olivier5
 
  3  
Sat 27 Jun, 2020 07:24 am
@goldberg,
Quote:
Biden is still a mystery for them.

That was funny... Biden ain't much of a mystery. The reason Putin prefers Trump are ideological and also pragmatic: it seems the Russians have compromat on Trump that gives them some control over him.
izzythepush
 
  3  
Sat 27 Jun, 2020 07:29 am
@goldberg,
America’s protection?

I doubt Harry Dunn’s parents see it that way.

I want foreign troops off our soil now. I’ll feel a lot safer with them gone.
goldberg
 
  -2  
Sat 27 Jun, 2020 07:48 am
@izzythepush,
But European nations are not united, with stricken Southern member nations pitting against well-off Northern member states over financial aid and even some security issues.

Thus, Europe won't be able to take on Russia's aggression. That's why I said it still needs America's protection. America also needs Europe and NATO's help.
izzythepush
 
  1  
Sat 27 Jun, 2020 07:54 am
@goldberg,
I've not seen much in the way of protection.

Have you read Chris Mullin's A Very British Coup?

America is the biggest threat to British Democracy.
goldberg
 
  -2  
Sat 27 Jun, 2020 08:00 am
@Olivier5,
Could be. I was trying to say that they know Trump very well, having done business with him or his family members By contrast, they still don't know what's really on Biden's mind, say, Biden's China policy.

I remember hearing that he has been to China twice as former vice president. Moreover, he is said to have slated Trump for being a craven sort when it comes to dealing with China, according to The Economist. Yet does that mean he will get tough on China after he becomes the president? How would he deal with a strong man like Putin is another puzzle that takes time to unravel.

That's why I used the word mystery.



goldberg
 
  -1  
Sat 27 Jun, 2020 08:03 am
@izzythepush,
Not yet. Just ran a check. A basketball player? I have never heard of him before today. You know I watch soccer games, not NBA games. Hi, sorry, I really have to go now. See you and have a good day.
izzythepush
 
  3  
Sat 27 Jun, 2020 08:04 am
@goldberg,
Chris Mullin was a Labour MP.
Olivier5
 
  2  
Sat 27 Jun, 2020 08:24 am
@goldberg,
Biden has been in the public eye forever.
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bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Sat 27 Jun, 2020 08:50 am
@izzythepush,
He had a 'film' to watch.
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bobsal u1553115
 
  3  
Sat 27 Jun, 2020 08:57 am
Sorry Snood. There's just no way to excerpt this and give it justice or not sensationalize it.

You Want a Confederate Monument? My Body Is a Confederate Monument

The black people I come from were owned and raped by the white people I come from. Who dares to tell me to celebrate them?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/26/opinion/confederate-monuments-racism.html?utm_source=pocket-newtab

By Caroline Randall Williams

Ms. Williams is a poet.

June 26, 2020

NASHVILLE — I have rape-colored skin. My light-brown-blackness is a living testament to the rules, the practices, the causes of the Old South.

If there are those who want to remember the legacy of the Confederacy, if they want monuments, well, then, my body is a monument. My skin is a monument.

Dead Confederates are honored all over this country — with cartoonish private statues, solemn public monuments and even in the names of United States Army bases. It fortifies and heartens me to witness the protests against this practice and the growing clamor from serious, nonpartisan public servants to redress it. But there are still those — like President Trump and the Senate majority leader, Mitch McConnell — who cannot understand the difference between rewriting and reframing the past. I say it is not a matter of “airbrushing” history, but of adding a new perspective.

I am a black, Southern woman, and of my immediate white male ancestors, all of them were rapists. My very existence is a relic of slavery and Jim Crow.

According to the rule of hypodescent (the social and legal practice of assigning a genetically mixed-race person to the race with less social power) I am the daughter of two black people, the granddaughter of four black people, the great-granddaughter of eight black people. Go back one more generation and it gets less straightforward, and more sinister. As far as family history has always told, and as modern DNA testing has allowed me to confirm, I am the descendant of black women who were domestic servants and white men who raped their help.

It is an extraordinary truth of my life that I am biologically more than half white, and yet I have no white people in my genealogy in living memory. No. Voluntary. Whiteness. I am more than half white, and none of it was consensual. White Southern men — my ancestors — took what they wanted from women they did not love, over whom they had extraordinary power, and then failed to claim their children.

What is a monument but a standing memory? An artifact to make tangible the truth of the past. My body and blood are a tangible truth of the South and its past. The black people I come from were owned by the white people I come from. The white people I come from fought and died for their Lost Cause. And I ask you now, who dares to tell me to celebrate them? Who dares to ask me to accept their mounted pedestals?

You cannot dismiss me as someone who doesn’t understand. You cannot say it wasn’t my family members who fought and died. My blackness does not put me on the other side of anything. It puts me squarely at the heart of the debate. I don’t just come from the South. I come from Confederates. I’ve got rebel-gray blue blood coursing my veins. My great-grandfather Will was raised with the knowledge that Edmund Pettus was his father. Pettus, the storied Confederate general, the grand dragon of the Ku Klux Klan, the man for whom Selma’s Bloody Sunday Bridge is named. So I am not an outsider who makes these demands. I am a great-great-granddaughter.

And here I’m called to say that there is much about the South that is precious to me. I do my best teaching and writing here. There is, however, a peculiar model of Southern pride that must now, at long last, be reckoned with.

This is not an ignorant pride but a defiant one. It is a pride that says, “Our history is rich, our causes are justified, our ancestors lie beyond reproach.” It is a pining for greatness, if you will, a wish again for a certain kind of American memory. A monument-worthy memory.

But here’s the thing: Our ancestors don’t deserve your unconditional pride. Yes, I am proud of every one of my black ancestors who survived slavery. They earned that pride, by any decent person’s reckoning. But I am not proud of the white ancestors whom I know, by virtue of my very existence, to be bad actors.

Among the apologists for the Southern cause and for its monuments, there are those who dismiss the hardships of the past. They imagine a world of benevolent masters, and speak with misty eyes of gentility and honor and the land. They deny plantation rape, or explain it away, or question the degree of frequency with which it occurred.

To those people it is my privilege to say, I am proof. I am proof that whatever else the South might have been, or might believe itself to be, it was and is a space whose prosperity and sense of romance and nostalgia were built upon the grievous exploitation of black life.

The dream version of the Old South never existed. Any manufactured monument to that time in that place tells half a truth at best. The ideas and ideals it purports to honor are not real. To those who have embraced these delusions: Now is the time to re-examine your position.

Either you have been blind to a truth that my body’s story forces you to see, or you really do mean to honor the oppressors at the expense of the oppressed, and you must at last acknowledge your emotional investment in a legacy of hate.

Either way, I say the monuments of stone and metal, the monuments of cloth and wood, all the man-made monuments, must come down. I defy any sentimental Southerner to defend our ancestors to me. I am quite literally made of the reasons to strip them of their laurels.


Lash
 
  1  
Sat 27 Jun, 2020 09:05 am
@goldberg,
You’re kidding, right?
bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Sat 27 Jun, 2020 09:37 am
@Lash,
Fair question. But you already know the answer.
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coldjoint
 
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Sat 27 Jun, 2020 09:59 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
The black people I come from were owned and raped by the white people I come from. Who dares to tell me to celebrate them?

Those white people are long gone. You need to know where you have been to know where you are going. She is no more than a race baiter.
MontereyJack
 
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Sat 27 Jun, 2020 10:11 am
@coldjoint,
those white people's immediate descendants spent the next century "legally"oppressing black people with jim crow laws and segregation. And their descendants are oppressing black people by voter suppression, "last hired and first fired", and ultimately "murder for being black", like Ahmaud Arbery and George Floyd. It is why black AND white are marching in millions in the streets of damned near every town in the country. it might have improved a little, but it's still there much too much.
 

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