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McGentrix
 
  1  
Wed 24 Jun, 2020 12:07 am
@Walter Hinteler,
maybe this will help.
https://www.wellsbiblestudy.com/og.jpg
glitterbag
 
  3  
Wed 24 Jun, 2020 12:10 am
@McGentrix,
Please send this to your comrades, most of them cannot grasp the notion.
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Wed 24 Jun, 2020 12:16 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

But you guys are the only ones saying that. You think that because he used the words "absolute power" you have it in your head he means like a dictator. He said the President has absolute power within the Executive branch of the US Govt. The President IS the executive branch. So, yeah. he does have absolute power within the executive branch of the US government.


whitehouse.gov wrote:
The President has the power ...

whitehouse.gov: Executive branch
Nothing about "absolute power" if I didn't misread.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Wed 24 Jun, 2020 01:00 am
@Walter Hinteler,
It's right there in the very first line of text:

"The power of the Executive Branch is vested in the President of the United States"
oralloy
 
  -3  
Wed 24 Jun, 2020 01:01 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
That would be a power under the "unitary executive theory".

Yes.
oralloy
 
  -4  
Wed 24 Jun, 2020 01:02 am
@glitterbag,
All the conservatives understand everything just fine.
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oralloy
 
  -4  
Wed 24 Jun, 2020 01:11 am
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
How about that, someone taking an oath to something they know nothing about. Duh.

Ronald Reagan had a nifty saying:

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn't so."

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan#A_Time_for_Choosing_(1964)
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Wed 24 Jun, 2020 04:30 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
It's right there in the very first line of text:

"The power of the Executive Branch is vested in the President of the United States"
I know. And that's why I questioned your "absolute power".
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Wed 24 Jun, 2020 04:31 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
Walter Hinteler wrote:
That would be a power under the "unitary executive theory".

Yes.
Fine. So no "absolute power".
oralloy
 
  -4  
Wed 24 Jun, 2020 04:43 am
@Walter Hinteler,
The President has absolute power within the executive branch.
oralloy
 
  -4  
Wed 24 Jun, 2020 05:18 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
oralloy wrote:
It's right there in the very first line of text:
"The power of the Executive Branch is vested in the President of the United States"

I know. And that's why I questioned your "absolute power".

Do you see them vesting executive power in anyone other than the President?
hightor
 
  3  
Wed 24 Jun, 2020 05:22 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
The President has absolute power within the executive branch.

In other words, his "absolute power" is limited. Okay.
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Wed 24 Jun, 2020 05:23 am
@oralloy,
I'm quite sure that US-Constitution was written how it is. And the founder avoided to use the term "absolute power" for known reasons (absolute power corrupts absolutely).
Therefor, absolute powers were limited - thus not "absolute" anymore.
Walter Hinteler
 
  4  
Wed 24 Jun, 2020 05:42 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Therefor, absolute powers were limited - thus not "absolute" anymore.
At least the president's executive power is subject to three basic limitations ((there might be more limitations, but I don't have the time to read every paper about it):
• the President may not, without congressional authorisation, use his power to change domestic law or create or alter existing legal obligations,
• his power powers is subject to regulation by Congress,
• in the event of a conflict between the exercise of his power and congressional legislation, the latter prevails.
farmerman
 
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Wed 24 Jun, 2020 05:43 am
@oralloy,
Quote:

Your inability to point out any errors in my posts says otherwise
I went to sleep when you were wrongly trying to redefine wht on swears an oath of office TO. I think these guys pointed out yourtodays errors to which you want to hang on.

If the president issues something thats illegal or fattening, you must always refer back to your oath. If you follow him an you know its illgal, youre an accessory. That includes covers-up of which you ha nothing to do in the original crime but still aid the exec in the cover-up, youre an accessory.

I think Trump will have not too many accessories (except for his idiot press secretaries who have lied for him. Thats why I sorta like this last one. Sge hasnt really bent the facts when ever Trump says something dumb or borderline .
oralloy
 
  -3  
Wed 24 Jun, 2020 06:15 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
In other words, his "absolute power" is limited. Okay.

That depends on whether you are referring to "within the executive branch" or "within the government as a whole".
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Wed 24 Jun, 2020 06:16 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Therefor, absolute powers were limited - thus not "absolute" anymore.

100% of all federal executive power is vested in the President. No federal executive power is vested in anyone else.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Wed 24 Jun, 2020 06:17 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
At least the president's executive power is subject to three basic limitations ((there might be more limitations, but I don't have the time to read every paper about it):
* the President may not, without congressional authorisation, use his power to change domestic law or create or alter existing legal obligations,
* his power powers is subject to regulation by Congress,
* in the event of a conflict between the exercise of his power and congressional legislation, the latter prevails.

What you are talking about here is lawmaking. That is not an executive power.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Wed 24 Jun, 2020 06:18 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
I went to sleep when you were wrongly trying to redefine what one swears an oath of office TO.

When you suffer a catastrophic reading comprehension failure, it is you who is wrong, not the person who you didn't understand.


farmerman wrote:
I think these guys pointed out yourtodays errors to which you want to hang on.

You are wrong. They pointed out no errors.


farmerman wrote:
If the president issues something that's illegal or fattening, you must always refer back to your oath. If you follow him an you know its illegal, you're an accessory. That includes covers-up of which you ha nothing to do in the original crime but still aid the exec in the cover-up, you're an accessory.

It's not illegal for the President to run the government. That's sort of his job.


farmerman wrote:
I think Trump will have not too many accessories (except for his idiot press secretaries who have lied for him. Thats why I sorta like this last one. She hasn't really bent the facts when ever Trump says something dumb or borderline.

Lying is hardly a crime. If it was, Mr. Obama would be serving a life sentence right now.
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blatham
 
  2  
Wed 24 Jun, 2020 06:24 am
Quote:
Biden Takes Dominant Lead as Voters Reject Trump on Virus and Race

A New York Times/Siena College poll finds that Joseph R. Biden Jr. is ahead of the president by 14 points, leading among women and nonwhite voters and cutting into his support with white voters.
NYT
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