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coldjoint
 
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Tue 23 Jun, 2020 10:02 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
Why would a President with "absolute power" have to comply???

Because that is in the Constitution also. You look like a fool. But you wear it well. Laughing Laughing Laughing
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bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Tue 23 Jun, 2020 10:04 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
Because his job is to execute the laws of the nation as they are interpreted by the courts.


So he doesn't have absolute power.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Tue 23 Jun, 2020 10:05 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
He does within the executive branch.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Tue 23 Jun, 2020 10:06 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:
BULLSHIT!!!

Nope.

"The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America."


bobsal u1553115 wrote:
Where???

Here:

"The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America."


bobsal u1553115 wrote:
It actually LIMITS the President's powers.

All executive power is vested in the President. No executive power is vested in anyone else.


bobsal u1553115 wrote:
Don't you know how to read???

Of course. Notice how I am repeatedly answering your repeated questions.
bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Tue 23 Jun, 2020 10:36 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
He does within the executive branch.


Bullshit. You'd better read Article II. Section 1. I have, why don't you?
oralloy
 
  -2  
Tue 23 Jun, 2020 10:38 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Don't be silly. I've repeatedly quoted Article II Section 1 to you.

"The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America."
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Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Tue 23 Jun, 2020 10:39 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
I'd asked that before. Because "absolute power" is either
• the power held by the sovereign of an absolute monarchy,
or
• the power held by a leader of an autocracy or dictatorship.
(Leaving aside the use of this term used by religious beliefs.)
bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Tue 23 Jun, 2020 10:40 pm
@oralloy,
Who's on first, Einstein?

Show me where he's explicitly given absolute power. Explain how with absolute power he can be impeached. If he has absolute power why has Congress enacted laws limiting his power as mentioned in Article II. Section 1??? If he has absolute power, why can't the Commander in Chief declare war??
oralloy
 
  -2  
Tue 23 Jun, 2020 10:40 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
I'd asked that before.

Declaring war is not an executive power in the US.
bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Tue 23 Jun, 2020 10:43 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
They want an imperial President, in spite of the Constitution.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Tue 23 Jun, 2020 10:44 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:
Show me where he's explicitly given absolute power.

"The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America."


bobsal u1553115 wrote:
Explain how with absolute power he can be impeached.

The Constitution gives Congress the power to impeach the President.


bobsal u1553115 wrote:
If he has absolute power why has Congress enacted laws limiting his power as mentioned in Article II. Section 1???

I don't think they have.

If they have, it is likely that such laws are unconstitutional.
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bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Tue 23 Jun, 2020 10:44 pm
@oralloy,
Because Congress took it away from the Office of the President with the War Powers Act.

So the President doesn't have absolute power even in the Office of the President.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Tue 23 Jun, 2020 10:46 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:
Because Congress took it away from the Office of the President with the War Powers Act.

That is incorrect. The Constitution has always provided that power to Congress.


bobsal u1553115 wrote:
So the President doesn't have absolute power even in the Office of the President.

The Constitution says otherwise.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Tue 23 Jun, 2020 10:48 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:
They want an imperial President, in spite of the Constitution.

That is incorrect. We want what the Constitution provides.

And enough already with your illegal votedown abuse.
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bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Tue 23 Jun, 2020 10:50 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
It is because the Constitution has always provided that power to Congress.


Bullshit

The War Powers Resolution (also known as the War Powers Resolution of 1973 or the War Powers Act) (50 U.S.C. 1541–1548)[1] is a federal law intended to check the U.S. president's power to commit the United States to an armed conflict without the consent of the U.S. Congress. The resolution was adopted in the form of a United States congressional joint resolution. It provides that the president can send the U.S. Armed Forces into action abroad only by declaration of war by Congress, "statutory authorization," or in case of "a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces."

The War Powers Resolution requires the president to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30-day withdrawal period, without congressional authorization for use of military force (AUMF) or a declaration of war by the United States. The resolution was passed by two-thirds each of the House and Senate, overriding the veto of the bill by President Richard Nixon.

It has been alleged that the War Powers Resolution has been violated in the past–for example, by President Bill Clinton in 1999, during the bombing campaign in Kosovo. Congress has disapproved all such incidents, but none has resulted in any successful legal actions being taken against the president for alleged violations.[2]
oralloy
 
  -1  
Tue 23 Jun, 2020 10:54 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Wrong again.

Article. I.
Section. 8.
The Congress shall have Power....
....To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/constitution-transcript
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Tue 23 Jun, 2020 11:04 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
Wrong again.

How about that, someone taking an oath to something they know nothing about. Duh.
McGentrix
 
  -1  
Tue 23 Jun, 2020 11:18 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

I'd asked that before. Because "absolute power" is either
• the power held by the sovereign of an absolute monarchy,
or
• the power held by a leader of an autocracy or dictatorship.
(Leaving aside the use of this term used by religious beliefs.)


Are you guys being purposefully dense?

He clearly stated "Within the Executive branch" not the entire ******* government.

Why are you equating that to a monarchy or dictatorship?
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Tue 23 Jun, 2020 11:52 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:
Are you guys being purposefully dense?[...]Why are you equating that to a monarchy or dictatorship?


That would be a power under the "unitary executive theory".
"Absolute power" is the power used in an absolute (not any else!) monarchy and besides in a dictatorship in an autocracy as well.

You certainly can call me dense, but I still believe that the doctrine of absolutism is well known to most besides you.
McGentrix
 
  -2  
Wed 24 Jun, 2020 12:05 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

McGentrix wrote:
Are you guys being purposefully dense?[...]Why are you equating that to a monarchy or dictatorship?


That would be a power under the "unitary executive theory".
"Absolute power" is the power used in an absolute (not any else!) monarchy and besides in a dictatorship in an autocracy as well.

You certainly can call me dense, but I still believe that the doctrine of absolutism is well known to most besides you.


But you guys are the only ones saying that. You think that because he used the words "absolute power" you have it in your head he means like a dictator. He said the President has absolute power within the Executive branch of the US Govt. The President IS the executive branch. So, yeah. he does have absolute power within the executive branch of the US government.

You have followed bobsal's crap and now think that Trump is being compared to a king or dictator when it is only you guys saying that.

thus, purposefully dense because you aren't reading the words written. You are instead chasing some straw man you've made up.
 

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