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oralloy
 
  -3  
Tue 23 Jun, 2020 09:28 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Barack Obama did have absolute executive power.

All presidents do.
bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Tue 23 Jun, 2020 09:28 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
He gets absolute power within the executive branch from the fact that all executive power is vested


He gets the powers enumerated to him from the Constitution. Where is the section conferring "absolute power" in the Constitution?
oralloy
 
  -3  
Tue 23 Jun, 2020 09:29 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Article II. Section 1.
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coldjoint
 
  -2  
Tue 23 Jun, 2020 09:29 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
why didn't Barrack Hussein Obama "absolute power"??????

He did, over the executive branch, like any other president. You have no idea what you are talking about.
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bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Tue 23 Jun, 2020 09:32 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
There is no reason for childish name-calling.


There's no need for your childish repetition of nonsense. Where in the Constitution is "absolute power" confirmed on a President? Answer a simple question directly. You made the assertion, back it up with more that childish rationalization.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Tue 23 Jun, 2020 09:34 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
The Constitution is hardly nonsense.

I've already repeatedly backed up my claim with a quote and a government link.

Article. II.
Section. 1.
The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America.

https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/constitution-transcript
bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Tue 23 Jun, 2020 09:35 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
Barack Obama did have absolute executive power.


So all your bushwa about arresting and trying him was total bushwa because after all he had absolute power.

But of course he didn't have absolute power and neither does Trump. That's why he was impeached. Because Congress can get rid of him.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Tue 23 Jun, 2020 09:37 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Mr. Obama is no longer president. The current president can prosecute him for whatever he wants.

Of course, for the prosecution to be successful, there will have to be evidence of a crime.

That's why the next step should be to have the FBI and IRS go through Mr. Obama's life with a fine-toothed comb to see if any evidence of wrongdoing can be turned up.
bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Tue 23 Jun, 2020 09:38 pm
@oralloy,
Where's the part about "absolute power"?
oralloy
 
  -4  
Tue 23 Jun, 2020 09:40 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
"The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America."
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bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Tue 23 Jun, 2020 09:41 pm
@oralloy,
Biden has no stroke over what happens to Trump after Jan 21, 2021. Except to pardon him. I guess "absolute power" just doesn't mean "absolute" anymore.
oralloy
 
  -4  
Tue 23 Jun, 2020 09:43 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Mr. Trump will still be president on January 21, 2021.

He will have the power to prosecute Mr. Biden as well. I hope he uses that power.
bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Tue 23 Jun, 2020 09:45 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
The Constitution is hardly nonsense.


That's an assumption on your part, because how in the Hell would you know either way? Where is "absolute power" enumerated as the the President's anywhere in the Constitution?
oralloy
 
  -2  
Tue 23 Jun, 2020 09:48 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:
That's an assumption on your part,

No assumption. As much as progressives dislike the Constitution, it isn't nonsense.


bobsal u1553115 wrote:
because how in the Hell would you know either way?

I can read and understand things.


bobsal u1553115 wrote:
Where is "absolute power" enumerated as the the President's anywhere in the Constitution?

Article II. Section 1.
bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Tue 23 Jun, 2020 09:48 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
Mr. Trump will still be president on January 21, 2021.


Keep whistling past the grave yard.

By the way, where in the Constitution is absolute power conferred on a President. Why can't a guy with "absolute power" declare war without Congress???
oralloy
 
  -4  
Tue 23 Jun, 2020 09:50 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:
By the way, where in the Constitution is absolute power conferred on a President.

Article II. Section 1.


bobsal u1553115 wrote:
Why can't a guy with "absolute power" declare war without Congress???

Declaring war is not an executive power.
bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Tue 23 Jun, 2020 09:51 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
s much as progressives dislike the Constitution


What have YOU done for the Constitution? I wore a uniform and put my LIFE on the line fighting Communism.
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bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Tue 23 Jun, 2020 09:55 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
Article II. Section 1.


BULLSHIT!!!

The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice-President chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows:

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

(The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two persons, of whom one at least shall not lie an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; a quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two-thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice-President.) (This clause in parentheses was superseded by the 12th Amendment.)

The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

(In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.) (This clause in parentheses has been modified by the 20th and 25th Amendments.)

The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be increased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.

Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."



Where???

It actually LIMITS the President's powers. Don't you know how to read???
bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Tue 23 Jun, 2020 09:59 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
So far as I know the President has complied with all court rulings.


Why would a President with "absolute power" have to comply???
oralloy
 
  -4  
Tue 23 Jun, 2020 10:01 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Because his job is to execute the laws of the nation as they are interpreted by the courts.
 

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