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coldjoint
 
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Tue 2 Jun, 2020 12:32 pm
Quote:
Barr Appoints Third US Attorney to Investigate SpyGate

Riots or no riots this is not going away.
https://uncoverdc.com/2020/06/02/barr-appoints-third-us-attorney-to-investigate-spygate/
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livinglava
 
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Tue 2 Jun, 2020 12:34 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

livinglava wrote:
How about trying to leave peaceful protests alone instead of co-opting them to destroy property and thus stimulate economic investment/job-creation?
Apparently, for many white people the violent death of George Floyd doesn't interest them as much as what followed: grief, okay; protests, fine, but please do it all in the noble, reserved way.

A white man kills a defenceless black man, and in the aftermath white people explain to black people how to mourn. As if everything isn't already bitter enough.

There are probably white people behind the destructive protests that stimulated rioters of all colors to participate in the destruction in order to share in the economic rewards that are expected to come from it.

This is not a new thing to launch a campaign of destruction to stimulate economic activity. This time it was launched with police brutality/lynching but in the past wars have been launched in various ways, from kidnapping of Helen of Troy to beheading Marie Antoinette to assassination of Archduke Ferdinand.

The question is how to stop the destruction from generating economic stimulus and thus setting a precedent for future violence in the name of 'political demonstration.'

It is ironic when you call it "allowing people to mourn in their own way," when there were even reports of bricks being brought it for rioters to pick up and throw.

Clearly there was some interest in launching a destructive campaign here. My question is whether the initial murders were done as provocations or whether that was just a coincidence. Either way, the economic exploitation in it all is most offensive.
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Setanta
 
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Tue 2 Jun, 2020 12:35 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
To be specific here, the city of Washington was set alight on August 24th, 1814 by General Ross' army. The Executive Mansion was not burned down. Thanks to American sailors and Marines, who fought General Ross' little army to a standstill the day before, the government were able tor remove their records and archives, and Dolly Madison (so the possible myth runs) was able to remove the painting and other valuable items from the Executive Mansion. Although it did not burn, the Executive Mansion was scorched and suffered smoke damage. Therefore, after the Brits had left Maryland, and gone on to bloody defeat south of New Orleans, the Executive Mansion was painted white--it was then that it became "the White House."
coldjoint
 
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Tue 2 Jun, 2020 12:35 pm
For anyone interested Bobsal will be leaving this thread for a while because he has been caught in another lie. He will be challenged again when he returns.

What is "falun gong"? And why can't he back up one thing he says?
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livinglava
 
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Tue 2 Jun, 2020 12:37 pm
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:
I don't see what good is destroying your own property and places of business in your own community

Don't assume that no people of color would be cut in on the stimulus payments that come with the destructive campaign.

Whoever is behind this destruction for economic stimulus reasons is surely not limiting their payments to people on the basis of race. Generally I would assume affluent whites around the globe would be taking the lion's share of the benefits, but that doesn't mean they don't give some black people some of their crumbs for cooperating.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Tue 2 Jun, 2020 12:55 pm
@coldjoint,
Can't answer a question can you? Ashamed of being associated with falon gong? I don't blame you.

What are you hiding? What are you hiding from?
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Tue 2 Jun, 2020 01:03 pm
@Setanta,
Thaknks for the detail. The point was that the British in Washington wasn't an example of civil disorder by citizens.

Just to add to the color of the story:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_Washington

The Burning of Washington was a British invasion of Washington City (D.C.), the capital of the United States, during the War of 1812. On August 24, 1814, after defeating the Americans at the Battle of Bladensburg, a British force led by Major General Robert Ross set fire to multiple buildings, including the White House (then called the Presidential Mansion), the Capitol building, as well as other facilities of the U.S. government.[3] The attack was in part a retaliation for the recent American destruction of Port Dover in Upper Canada. The Burning of Washington marks the only time since the American Revolutionary War that a foreign power has captured and occupied the United States capital.


It may have not burned down but it was certainly burnt out:

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/british-troops-set-fire-to-the-white-house

August 24 1814


British troops set fire to the White House

On August 24, 1814, during the War of 1812 between the United States and England, British troops enter Washington, D.C. and burn the White House in retaliation for the American attack on the city of York in Ontario, Canada, in June 1812.

When the British arrived at the White House, they found that President James Madison and his first lady Dolley had already fled to safety in Maryland. Soldiers reportedly sat down to eat a meal made of leftover food from the White House scullery using White House dishes and silver before ransacking the presidential mansion and setting it ablaze.

According to the White House Historical Society and Dolley’s personal letters, President James Madison had left the White House on August 22 to meet with his generals on the battlefield, just as British troops threatened to enter the capitol. Before leaving, he asked his wife Dolley if she had the “courage or firmness” to wait for his intended return the next day. He asked her to gather important state papers and be prepared to abandon the White House at any moment.

The next day, Dolley and a few servants scanned the horizon with spyglasses waiting for either Madison or the British army to show up. As British troops gathered in the distance, Dolley decided to abandon the couple’s personal belongings and instead saved a full-length portrait of former president George Washington from desecration. Dolley wrote to her sister on the night of August 23 of the difficulty involved in saving the painting. Since the portrait was screwed to the wall, she ordered the frame to be broken and the canvas pulled out and rolled up. Two unidentified “gentlemen from New York” hustled it away for safe-keeping. (Unbeknownst to Dolley the portrait was actually a copy of Gilbert Stuart’s original). The task complete, Dolley wrote “and now, dear sister, I must leave this house, or the retreating army will make me a prisoner in it by filling up the road I am directed to take.” Dolley left the White House and found her husband at their predetermined meeting place in the middle of a thunderstorm.

Although President Madison and his wife were able to return to Washington only three days later when British troops had moved on, they never again lived in the White House. Madison served the rest of his term residing at the city’s Octagon House. It was not until 1817 that newly elected president James Monroe moved back into the reconstructed building.
Setanta
 
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Tue 2 Jun, 2020 01:15 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Note that your two accounts differ substantively.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Tue 2 Jun, 2020 01:30 pm
@Setanta,
Well, then I'll defer to yours. Thanks for setting me straight!
bobsal u1553115
 
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Tue 2 Jun, 2020 01:35 pm
Tennessee National Guard lays down their shields at protest

https://twitter.com/RebeccaWSMV/status/126761873972749926


Rebecca Cardenas
@RebeccaWSMV
In a powerful moment, The Tennessee National Guard lays down their shields at a protest that has made its way up the steps of the Tennessee Capitol
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Tue 2 Jun, 2020 01:38 pm
Inslee statement on Trump's threat to deploy military to put down protests
Source: Governor Jay Inslee

Gov. Jay Inslee responded to President's Trump's threat to deploy the military in response to protesters tonight.

"This president has repeatedly proven he is incapable of governing. He has shown nothing but false bravado throughout the chaos that has accompanied his time in office. His admiration of authoritarians around the world should not allow him to violate 200 years of American tradition of local law enforcement. We have activated the National Guard in our state and made them available to any community who requests it.

"Our country is defined by our collective character and democratic ideals, not by reactionary calls for division and not by threatening Americans with their own military."

Read more: https://www.governor.wa.gov/news-media/inslee-statement-trumps-threat-deploy-military-put-down-protests
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Tue 2 Jun, 2020 01:58 pm
I asked you if you were a member.

Get back on topic!
bobsal u1553115
 
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Tue 2 Jun, 2020 01:59 pm
D.C. archbishop blasts Trump's visit to John Paul II Shrine
Source: Crux

“I find it baffling and reprehensible that any Catholic facility would allow itself to be so egregiously misused and manipulated in a fashion that violates our religious principles, which call us to defend the rights of all people even those with whom we might disagree,” said Archbishop Wilton Gregory in a statement just after 11:00 a.m. on Tuesday, the same time the president was due to arrive the site.

“Saint Pope John Paul II was an ardent defender of the rights and dignity of human beings,” wrote Gregory, who was installed last May as the city’s first African American archbishop. “His legacy bears vivid witness to that truth. He certainly would not condone the use of tear gas and other deterrents to silence, scatter or intimidate them for a photo opportunity in front of a place of worship and peace.”

During this visit, the president took a photo at a statue of John Paul II but did not deliver remarks. According to the White House pool report, the President and the First Lady were also scheduled to visit the Luminous Mysteries Chapel, the John Paul II Blood Relic, and a Madonna Icon.

As the president arrived at the shrine, he was greeted by protesters from a number of Catholic social advocacy groups, including Pax Christi USA, Maryknoll Office for Global Concerns, Franciscan Action Network, and NETWORK Lobby.

Read more: https://cruxnow.com/church-in-the-usa/2020/06/d-c-archbishop-blasts-trumps-visit-to-john-paul-ii-shrine/


https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2020/06/02/trump-catholic-shrine-church-bible-protesters/
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Setanta
 
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Tue 2 Jun, 2020 02:00 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
I wasn't trying to be an ass--there was an officer in General Ross' army who wrote a long letter home around the end of 1814. In it, he praised the sailors and Marines who fought on at Bladensburg after the militia had run away. In his words, ". . . they continued to serve the guns [i.e., the cannon] even after we had shot down their officers and were among them with the bayonet." He said the city had been fired in retaliation for the burning of York, in Upper Canada (now Toronto). The Americans burned York three times. The Brits burned towns up and down the east coast. I cannot link you to his letter, because I've never been able to find it online. There was a good deal of dissatisfaction, especially in military circles, with London's conduct of the war. The first defeat of Bonaparte in 1814 freed Brit troops who were rather quickly sent to North America, where the Americans had responded to Brit invasions of Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin and Illinois by a rapid expansion of the army from four infantry regiments to twenty-two. The little United States Navy had inflicted humiliating defeats on the Brit Royal Navy, and the ad hoc navies on Lakes Erie and Ontario had a lively time, too. The entire Brit flotilla on Lake Erie was captured. (Whe have met the enemy and he is ours.) Lake Ontario was a see-saw affair, and the Americans landed and burned York whenever they got the upper hand.

Winfield Scott was second in command in the army in Canada, and handed the Brits another humiliating defeat at Cheppewa in 1814, about a month and a half before Bladensburg--Scott personally lead the attack that swept away the redcoats. More important to the Brits, though, was Baltimore. It was the home of the privateers who were making serious inroads into English shipping. General Packenham, who had served with Wellington in the Peninsula, had sent Ross to clear the militia from the flank of his advance. He was unwilling to attack Baltimore while Fort McHenry remained undefeated. Admiral Cochrane attempted a bombardment (rockets red glare, bombs bursting in air) which was a spectacular failure. Not long afterward, they received intelligence that the privateers were using New Orleans, and that was why they abandoned the Chesapeake and took the army to Louisiana. There, Packenham and dozens of other high-ranking officers will killed in a futile assault on Andrew Jackson's lines in January, 1815.

The events at Washington were really small potatoes to the Brits, though it was a major embarrassment for the Madison administration, which was none too popular as it was.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Tue 2 Jun, 2020 02:05 pm
@Setanta,
I apologize that I gave you that impression. I take a breezier approach to history than you do and that can make it seem I don't take it seriously. But I do.
Setanta
 
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Tue 2 Jun, 2020 02:07 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
No problem here . . .
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coldjoint
 
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Tue 2 Jun, 2020 02:21 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
I asked you if you were a member.

Get back on topic!

I am not discussing anything on topic with a liar like yourself. You actually embarrass people on the Left with your childish games. That is why no one is defending you. They know you are worthless when it comes to intelligent conversation. If they did not know that, they do now.

What is Falun gong?
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hightor
 
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Tue 2 Jun, 2020 02:38 pm
Former Commanders Fault Trump’s Use of Troops Against Protesters

Quote:
WASHINGTON — Retired senior military leaders condemned their successors in the Trump administration for ordering military units on Monday to rout those peacefully protesting police violence near the White House.

As military helicopters flew low over the nation’s capital and National Guard units moved into many cities, Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper and General Mark A. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, stood beside President Trump as he took the unusual step of pressing the American military into a domestic confrontation.

Gen. Martin E. Dempsey, a former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, wrote on Twitter that “America is not a battleground. Our fellow citizens are not the enemy.”

And Gen. Tony Thomas, the former head of the Special Operations Command, tweeted: “The ‘battle space’ of America??? Not what America needs to hear … ever, unless we are invaded by an adversary or experience a constitutional failure … ie a Civil War.”

For the past three years, American military officials have expressed private concerns that Mr. Trump does not understand either his role as commander in chief or the role of the military that is sworn to protect the Constitution from all enemies.

Television networks broadcast images of General Milley, in combat fatigues, and Mr. Esper, in a suit — walking behind Mr. Trump as he crossed Lafayette Square Monday evening to a photo opportunity in front of St. John’s church. Earlier in the day, Mr. Esper joined the president’s call with governors and said, “We need to dominate the battlespace” — a comment that set off a torrent of criticism.

More than 40 percent of the two million active-duty and reserve personnel are people of color, and orders to confront protesters demonstrating against a criminal justice system that targets black men troubled many.

The Air Force’s top enlisted airman took to Twitter to express his anger.

“Just like most of the Black Airmen and so many others in our ranks … I am outraged at watching another Black man die on television before our very eyes,” Kaleth O. Wright, the chief master sergeant of the Air Force, said in a Twitter thread, citing the names of black men who died in police custody or in police shootings. “I am George Floyd … I am Philando Castile, I am Michael Brown, I am Alton Sterling, I am Tamir Rice.”

The Pentagon has yet to say how many soldiers it is deploying to Washington, per Mr. Trump’s order. Defense Department officials have given varying numbers, from 500 to “thousands.”

One Pentagon official said that the troops deploying to the capital might not be limited to the military police. The official, who said that decisions were still being made, added that the troops were coming from Ft. Bragg in North Carolina, Ft. Drum in New York and might also, surprisingly, include the so-called Old Guard ceremonial unit. The Old Guard provides security for Washington and escort to the president.

The deployment of active-duty troops to confront protesters and looters prompted one military official to liken the order to Mr. Trump requesting his own “palace guard.”

This week, Mr. Trump said, without elaborating, that General Milley was in charge of the effort to confront the protesters and looters.

At the Pentagon, officials expressed surprise at the president’s comments, and referred questions to the White House. But officials noted that all National Guard members now deployed in the United States are under the authorities of the state governors. Defense Department officials said that if those troops are federalized — that is, put under the power of the president rather than governors — that would normally be done under the auspices of United States Northern Command, which oversees military units on American territory, and not the office of the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of staff.

In his current role, General Milley does not command troops; he serves as the top military adviser to the president and the defense secretary. It would be very unusual for a chairman of the Joint Chiefs to take control over missions in the country, Defense Department officials said.

As soldiers arrived on Monday, clad in camouflage uniforms and clutching riot shields labeled “military police” to reinforce the line of crowd control officers guarding Lafayette Square yards from the White House, the crowd of about 400 protesters responded with verbal taunts. “Fascists!” some yelled. Others booed. A few shouted expletives.

As the hours stretched on, a pair of armored Humvees from the 273rd Military Police Company, painted tan for their once inevitable deployments to the Middle East, sat idling in an intersection near a Metro stop. Protesters snapped pictures in front of them. Others quietly walked by shaking their heads.

Around 10 p.m., the military stepped up its attempts to suppress the protesters. A crowd making its way through the Chinatown area of Washington had gone relatively unbothered by law enforcement, having snaked across town, blocking roads and chanting “We can’t Breathe,” “George Floyd” and “Hands up, don’t shoot.” The group, for the most part, was peaceful.

A Black Hawk helicopter, followed by a smaller medical evacuation helicopter, dropped to rooftop level with their search lights aimed at the crowd. Tree limbs snapped, nearly hitting several people. Signs were torn from the sides of buildings. Some protesters looked up, while others ran into doorways. The downward force of air from the rotors was deafening.

The helicopters were performing a “show of force” — a standard tactic used by military aircraft in combat zones to scatter insurgents. The maneuvers were personally directed by the highest echelons of the Washington National Guard, according to a military official with direct knowledge of the situation. The Guard did not respond to a request for comment.

Parts of the crowd dispersed before continuing on. The helicopters circled for another pass. Afterward, protesters were no longer cursing only the police, the focus of unrest from the start, but the military, too.

The deployment is also challenging for National Guard units, who are inheritors of a legacy from the Revolutionary War militia, the citizen-soldiers who were ready to put down their plows and pick up weapons to defend their country. Today, when the National Guard can be dispatched for an array of missions — like combat duty in Iraq or Afghanistan, helping with flood relief or providing assistance to coronavirus victims — that balance is more complicated.

Members of the Guard generally report to the governor of their state, but when units come under the command of the president, federal law prohibits them from being used domestically except under some very limited circumstances.

In the current unrest, military personnel specialists say, the Guard is caught between expressing anguish over the killing of a black man, George Floyd in Minneapolis, and supporting civilian authorities in quelling the violent protests and looting that followed.

“Most of the soldiers will have sympathy for the peaceful protesters and be angry about Floyd’s death, but they’re probably angry at the violence as well,” said Peter D. Feaver, a professor of political science at Duke University who has studied the military for decades. “It puts them in a fraught position.”


All so the ill-tempered phony could secure this wonderful photo-op:

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/06/02/opinion/02bruenigWeb/merlin_173090397_7d55378f-a8bb-4e79-8824-05a6766348ad-superJumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp

(I don't think the bleach regimen is doing him much good. And he should put some of that facial makeup on his little pink hands, too.))
lmur
 
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Tue 2 Jun, 2020 02:46 pm
@hightor,
Symbolic blue tie. Let the healing begin!
izzythepush
 
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Tue 2 Jun, 2020 03:01 pm
@lmur,
******* Tories.
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