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glitterbag
 
  3  
Mon 1 Jun, 2020 10:31 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

with Farrakhan? Bill Ayres? Rev. Wright?


No, the Episcopalian Diocese of Washington, D.C. Franklin is so lucky that Billy has passed away.....Billy would be so unhappy.
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coldjoint
 
  -3  
Mon 1 Jun, 2020 10:40 pm
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Setanta
 
  2  
Mon 1 Jun, 2020 10:40 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Article One, Section Eight of the constitution reads, in part: [Congress shall have the power] To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions . . .

The Dick Act, formally known as the Militia Act of 1903, created the National Guard.

Quote:
The Militia Act of 1903 (32 Stat. 775), also known as "The Efficiency in Militia Act of 1903", also known as the Dick Act, was legislation enacted by the United States Congress which created an early National Guard and codified the circumstances under which the Guard could be federalized. It also provided federal funds to pay for equipment and training, including annual summer encampments. This new entity was to organize units of similar form and quality to those of the regular Army, with intents to meet the same training, education, and readiness requirements as active duty units.


Source at Wikipedia

That jackass in the White House doesn't seem to understand that this is one of the core functions of the militia, with the organized militia embodied in the Army National Guard. Governors make these decisions, not puerile, ignorant, megalomaniacal, narcissistic clowns like Plump.
Real Music
 
  5  
Mon 1 Jun, 2020 10:51 pm
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Real Music
 
  4  
Mon 1 Jun, 2020 10:54 pm
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bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Mon 1 Jun, 2020 10:59 pm
@Setanta,
All except in DC. And some argue he could call a SoE if he feels Governors and the NG can't handle a breakdown of public order nationwide.
Setanta
 
  2  
Mon 1 Jun, 2020 11:04 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
He has no such power. State governors would be well within their own powers to refuse entry of national military forces. This clown is in a position to start a civil war.
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bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Mon 1 Jun, 2020 11:11 pm
Its not entirely clear cut. Hoover used the regular Army under Gen Douglas MacArthur with cavalry and six tanks to drive the protesters of the Bonus Army out killing several and burning their tents and possessions.

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/19-15/CH1.htm

CHAPTER 1
Civil Disturbances

Civil disturbances arise from acts of civil disobedience. They occur most often when participants in mass acts of civil disobedience become antagonistic toward authority, and authorities must struggle to wrest the initiative from an unruly crowd. In the extreme, civil disturbances include criminal acts of terrorism. Civil disturbances, in any form, are prejudicial to public law and order.

FEDERAL INTERVENTION AND AID

Under the US Constitution and the US Code, the President is empowered to direct federal intervention in civil disturbances to:

Respond to state requests for aid in restoring order.
Enforce the laws of the United States.
Protect the civil rights of citizens.
Protect federal property and functions.

Under the Constitution, each state is responsible for protecting life and property within its boundaries. State and local governments use their civil forces to maintain law and order and to quell civil disturbances. However, if a civil disturbance exceeds the resources of a state, federal troops may be called upon to help restore and maintain law and order.

The Constitution and federal statutes authorize the President to direct the use of federal armed troops within the 50 states, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, and US possessions and territories and their political subdivisions. The President is also empowered to federalize the National Guard of any state to suppress rebellion and enforce laws.

Federal aid is given to a state when the state has used all of its resources, including its National Guard, to quell a disorder and finds the resources not sufficient. Usually, active-duty federal forces are used to augment the requesting state's National Guard. But the President may choose to federalize another state's National Guard and use them, alone or with other forces, to restore order.

The President also can employ federal troops to ensure the execution of US law when a state opposes or obstructs US law or impedes the course of justice under those laws. And the President can employ armed federal troops to suppress insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful assemblies, and conspiracy if such acts deprive the people of their constitutional rights and privileges and a state's civil authorities cannot or will not provide adequate protection.

The President is also authorized to use armed federal troops to protect federal property and functions when the need for protection exists and the local civil authorities cannot or will not give adequate protection. The right of the United States to protect all federal property and functions regardless of their locations is an accepted principle of our government.

As a temporary measure, federal military equipment and facilities may be loaned to state and local governmental bodies law and enforcement agencies for use during civil disturbances. These resources may also be loaned to a state's National Guard and to non DOD federal agencies. The requesting agencies are expected to provide enough resources of their own to minimize the need for US military resources. And the loan of the resources must not conflict with US military needs.

Setanta
 
  2  
Mon 1 Jun, 2020 11:12 pm
The tenth amendment to the constitution reads, in its entirety: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people." Nowhere does the constitution grant the Federal government the right to deploy the regular armed forces in military operations within the states. The constitution does not prohibit the states from deploying their militia (now the National Guard), and in fact, the constitution grants Congress the power to call out the militia to suppress insurrection and enforce the laws (see my post, above)--not that fat clown in the White House.
Setanta
 
  1  
Mon 1 Jun, 2020 11:16 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Read you own post again--the president cannot unilaterally deploy regular military forces within the states. That is entirely clear cut. The Bonus Army, which Hoover ordered be dispersed, was encamped in the District of Columbia. By the way, that was in 1932--Hoover lost the 1932 election.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Mon 1 Jun, 2020 11:20 pm
@Setanta,
Quote:
Congress

So you would be happy with nothing at all being done about it?
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izzythepush
 
  1  
Tue 2 Jun, 2020 01:35 am
@Setanta,
You have a president who has no respect for your institutions who is more concerned with creating facts on the ground. He has packed your supreme court with compliant lickspittles.

He has already used regular troops in DC to attack peaceful protestors for his own photo opportunity.

What happens when he orders the CO of a military base to move into a state against said state's governor's wishes?

If the CO refuses Trump will sack him until he gets one willing to carry out his orders.

You sound a lot like the industrialists who thought they could control Hitler. The Weimar Republic also had checks and balances but that didn't do them any good against the violence inflicted by the Brownshirts.

Hoover may well have lost re-election, but even if there is an election in November and Trump loses, he's still in office until mid January, and one hell of a lot can happen between now and then.
oralloy
 
  -4  
Tue 2 Jun, 2020 01:50 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:
Governors make these decisions, not puerile, ignorant, megalomaniacal, narcissistic clowns like Plump.

The President has the authority to take control of the National Guard away from governors and give them new orders.
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oralloy
 
  -4  
Tue 2 Jun, 2020 01:55 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:
The tenth amendment to the constitution reads, in its entirety: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."

I'm glad to see you've discovered the Tenth Amendment. There was a time when you didn't acknowledge that the power of the feds is limited to what the Constitution expressly grants them.


Setanta wrote:
Nowhere does the constitution grant the Federal government the right to deploy the regular armed forces in military operations within the states.

Is there a part of the Constitution that lists where the government is authorized to deploy a standing army in military operations?

If there isn't such a list then it seems clear that the Framers did not impose any limitations on where a standing army could be deployed in military operations.
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Lash
 
  -4  
Tue 2 Jun, 2020 03:43 am
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

And what would the "Greens" do???

Reform the law enforcement system.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  4  
Tue 2 Jun, 2020 03:58 am
@Lash,
Privatise the police?
oralloy
 
  -4  
Tue 2 Jun, 2020 04:00 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I'd be strongly against privatization.
bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Tue 2 Jun, 2020 04:23 am
@Lash,
What does that do for us today?
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MontereyJack
 
  3  
Tue 2 Jun, 2020 04:23 am
@coldjoint,
Coldjoint, founder of Paranoids R Us
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