192
   

monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Tue 2 Jun, 2020 04:24 am
Here’s why DC’s fate could depend upon 10 key words

Published 4 hours ago

on June 2, 2020

By Bob Brigham

As protests roiled the nation’s capital on Monday night, one Democrat in Congress asked a question of Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

The context behind the question was President Donald Trump’s assistance on using the military to quell protests against police violence.

“Do you intend to obey illegal orders from the president?” Ruben Gallego asked chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Mille, in a one-line letter with a single, 10-word question.

The military exists to protect Americans, not harm them. I have one simple question for Chairman Milley. pic.twitter.com/0LduJSE1sD

— Ruben Gallego (@RepRubenGallego) June 2, 2020

Gallego’s comment came amid reports of US troops mobilizing.

Tonight, multiple C-130J and C-17A cargo aircraft from Fort Riley, Fort Drum, and Fort Bragg are arriving into Andrews AFB. (@AP reporting 82nd Airborne Division activated) 10th Mountain Division & 1st Infantry Division which were on standby, also appear to be activated. pic.twitter.com/eTJB7QT8GG

— Aircraft Spots (@AircraftSpots) June 2, 2020
0 Replies
 
bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Tue 2 Jun, 2020 04:36 am
Region Philbis
 
  3  
Tue 2 Jun, 2020 04:49 am
@bobsal u1553115,

yup, 45 really needs to STFU...
0 Replies
 
snood
 
  5  
Tue 2 Jun, 2020 04:53 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

I'd be strongly against privatization.


So, schools, prisons, healthcare... but not police? Why not?
oralloy
 
  -4  
Tue 2 Jun, 2020 04:59 am
@snood,
Because the monopoly on violence needs to be in the hands of the government, not in the hands of some rich guy or corporation.

I'm strongly against private prisons as well. What gave you the idea that I'm in favor of those?

I'm all for private schools and health care competing with the government. Competition leads to better services. But I'm not against the government competing in the marketplace too.
0 Replies
 
MontereyJack
 
  3  
Tue 2 Jun, 2020 05:04 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Beautiful. Somebody willing to stand up and speak truth to power and doing it full-throatedly. Way to go, Amanlpour for putting him on national TV.
0 Replies
 
Setanta
 
  0  
Tue 2 Jun, 2020 05:15 am
@izzythepush,
That comment about German industrialists and Hitler was a step too far. I've never liked you, and you've been often hostile to me for no good reason. Now you come out with **** like that. Don't ******* talk to me--not ever again.
izzythepush
 
  2  
Tue 2 Jun, 2020 05:19 am
@Setanta,
I’ve never liked you either. My point is valid, Trump has no respect for your institutions.

I hope you’re right about the checks and balances stopping Trump from using the regular army on protesters outside of DC but I doubt it.
MontereyJack
 
  3  
Tue 2 Jun, 2020 05:24 am
@bobsal u1553115,
And kudos to the morally upright cops who had the courage to stand up for what was right by taking a knee in solidarity with the protesters for justice.. Finest kind.
bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Tue 2 Jun, 2020 05:37 am
@MontereyJack,
I have such mixed feelings seeing cops on one knee .........

https://thefreethoughtproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/circle-game-696x366.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2018/01/05/16/47C8868700000578-0-image-a-25_1515169575223.jpg
0 Replies
 
Setanta
 
  2  
Tue 2 Jun, 2020 05:44 am
@MontereyJack,
I agree completely. Chiefs of Police right across the country have expressed their support for the protests, and candidly acknowledged faults in police departments. That's leadership, something lacking at the top.
0 Replies
 
bobsal u1553115
 
  3  
Tue 2 Jun, 2020 05:44 am
Where the Virus Is Growing Most: Countries With ‘Illiberal Populist’ Leaders

Brazil, Russia, Britain and the U.S. have something in common.

By David Leonhardt and Lauren Leatherby

June 2, 2020
Updated 5:56 a.m. ET

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/02/briefing/coronavirus-populist-leaders.html

The four large countries where coronavirus cases have recently been increasing fastest are Brazil, the United States, Russia and Britain. And they have something in common.

They are all run by populist male leaders who cast themselves as anti-elite and anti-establishment.

The four leaders — Jair Bolsonaro, Donald J. Trump, Vladimir V. Putin and Boris Johnson — also have a lot of differences, of course, as do their countries. Yet all four subscribe to versions of what Daniel Ziblatt, a government professor at Harvard and co-author of the book “How Democracies Die,” calls “radical right illiberal populism.”

This pattern isn’t a coincidence, many political scientists believe. Illiberal populists tend to reject the opinions of scientists and promote conspiracy theories.

“Very often they rail against intellectuals and experts of nearly all types,” Steven Levitsky, Mr. Ziblatt’s co-author, said. The leaders, he said, “claim to have a kind of common-sense wisdom that the experts lack. This doesn’t work very well versus Covid-19.”

In Brazil, Mr. Bolsonaro fired his health minister and has repeatedly called for states to end stay-at-home orders. In the United States, Mr. Trump rejected the views of experts for almost two months, predicting the virus would disappear “like a miracle.” In Britain, Mr. Johnson’s government initially encouraged people to continue socializing, even as other countries were locking down.

All four leaders also flouted guidance on personal protective measures early on, refusing to wear a mask or continuing to shake hands.

The pattern is apparent beyond just those countries, too. Iran — a country with a theocratic supreme leader — is fifth in case growth over the past two weeks among countries with at least 50 million people. Health experts say the government did not heed warnings about reopening too quickly. Mexico — where President Andrés Manuel López Obrador is a left-wing populist whose government published posters saying the virus “no es grave” (is not serious) — is sixth.

An academic effort to track countries’ responses to the virus has shown that a delay in government reaction allows the virus to spread much faster, said Thomas Hale of the Blavatnik School of Government at Oxford University, who is leading the effort. Many of the countries seeing bad outbreaks now share a “late recognition of the urgency of the crisis,” Mr. Hale said.

Often, leaders who responded more slowly have cited the need to prioritize economic growth. But the trade-offs between the economy and public health may not actually exist, scientists and economists say: The fastest route to economic normalcy involves controlling the spread of the virus.

“There’s this false tension that exists between public health and economic health,” said Wafaa El-Sadr, an epidemiologist at Columbia University.

The flip side of the pattern involving illiberal populists is that countries run by women appear to have been more successful in fighting the virus, as some observers have previously noted. Germany, New Zealand and Taiwan are all examples.

The connection between populist leaders and bad outbreaks is not perfect. Viktor Orban in Hungary and Rodrigo Duterte in the Philippines are also illiberal populists who responded quickly. Case counts appear to be relatively low in both countries. Both Mr. Orban and Mr. Duterte have used the crisis as an excuse to crack down further on political opponents.

But global patterns usually include exceptions. “There is in fact a pattern,” Mr. Levitsky said. “Populists don’t like experts — or relying on experts — and an anti-expertise response to the new coronavirus is deadly.”

Some populist leaders, like Mr. Johnson and Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey, have recently begun taking the virus more seriously. In the United States, Mr. Trump’s response has varied almost by the day, and has also been diluted by the federalist system, in which governors are making many decisions.

Still, Mr. Hale suspects that populist countries may continue to struggle more than others.

“We’re looking at the initial wave now,” he said, “but it’s going to be a long journey, and my strong intuition is that countries with really robust governance systems will be the ones that do best at the end of the day.”
0 Replies
 
snood
 
  1  
Tue 2 Jun, 2020 06:57 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

I’ve never liked you either. My point is valid, Trump has no respect for your institutions.

I hope you’re right about the checks and balances stopping Trump from using the regular army on protesters outside of DC but I doubt it.



Yo, what the **** is motivating your shitstorm of bad news? You think we need to hear it from you? You think you have some uniquely significant perspective that makes your constant parroting of what’s fucked up about the US somehow important for us to hear from you?

You don’t. I think you’re doing it to make yourself feel big and superior. But it just makes you look snotty and petty as hell.

Lash
 
  -2  
Tue 2 Jun, 2020 07:11 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

That comment about German industrialists and Hitler was a step too far. I've never liked you, and you've been often hostile to me for no good reason. Now you come out with **** like that. Don't ******* talk to me--not ever again.

Rich!

Your constant lies about me are a step too far. I’ve never liked you, and you've been often hostile to me for no good reason. Don't ******* talk to me--not ever again.

______________________
I’m sure if you expect this to work FOR you, you’ll honor it when it’s directed AT you.

Unless, of course, you’re a stupid hypocrite.
0 Replies
 
izzythepush
 
  3  
Tue 2 Jun, 2020 07:16 am
@snood,
I don’t remotely superior. I feel worried, the World doesn’t need an America in flames and controlled by Putin’s Quisling right now.

Like I said I hope I’m wrong about Trump using the regular army against the wishes of various governors. I really do, because the consequences would be disastrous and not just for America either.

Below viewing threshold (view)
Lash
 
  -3  
Tue 2 Jun, 2020 07:34 am
Interesting to see snood and Setanta trying to censure Izzy. I can’t understand their motives. Anybody else know why?

Now that bobsal’s sock puppets erase posts by me, cj, and others, do they sort of need new victims?

Sort of LOTF action here lately.

Who’s next?

Better get your posts pre-appoved by the popular kids before trotting out an independent opinion!!😀

MontereyJack
 
  3  
Tue 2 Jun, 2020 08:15 am
@oralloy,
You hip to the fact that a lot of the violence and destruction seems to be deliberate provocation by the far alt right, a deliberate attempt to sow discord and anarchy and discredit the righteous protests against racist persecution? Your "violent thugs" are white supremacists.
0 Replies
 
Olivier5
 
  3  
Tue 2 Jun, 2020 08:21 am
@Lash,
Quote:
Anybody else know why?

Every now and then, the resident canterkerous fossile will yell at someone, and his clique will join the chorus. It's pavlovian.
0 Replies
 
bobsal u1553115
 
  4  
Tue 2 Jun, 2020 08:27 am
@Lash,
I have no sock puppets not one. Don't you think a2k would have dug them up.

Did you ever stop to think how out numbered and how outspoken you are with dismal views?

Why do you want to interfere with our free speech and our right to disagree with you? My posts don't get much up voting and I agree 90% of the time with Izzy, Set, snood, engineer, Glitter, Region, CI, Rabal, ehbeth, blatham, Roger, real music, Farmerman, tarstepan, Walter, revlette, neptuneblue, Oliver, and on and on and then there's you,cj, orraloy, livinglava, builder.

You do the math. You're allowed to say your piece and we're allowed to have none of it.
 

Related Topics

Obama '08? - Discussion by sozobe
Let's get rid of the Electoral College - Discussion by Robert Gentel
McCain's VP: - Discussion by Cycloptichorn
The 2008 Democrat Convention - Discussion by Lash
McCain is blowing his election chances. - Discussion by McGentrix
Snowdon is a dummy - Discussion by cicerone imposter
Food Stamp Turkeys - Discussion by H2O MAN
TEA PARTY TO AMERICA: NOW WHAT?! - Discussion by farmerman
 
Copyright © 2025 MadLab, LLC :: Terms of Service :: Privacy Policy :: Page generated in 2.35 seconds on 06/17/2025 at 10:08:31