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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
layman
 
  -4  
Sat 11 Feb, 2017 07:12 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
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layman
 
  -4  
Sat 11 Feb, 2017 07:26 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Looks like a lot of your "democratic" leaders are gunna be doin some hard time under Trump, eh, Walt?:

Quote:
Welcome to Trump’s America:
Felony riot charges against inauguration protesters signal alarming wave of repression


More than 200 people who were mass-arrested at the Washington, D.C. protests against the inauguration of Donald Trump have been hit with felony riot charges that are punishable by up to 10 years in prison. Those picked up in the sweep — including legal observers and journalists — had their phones, cameras and other personal belongings confiscated as evidence, a lawyer confirmed to AlterNet.

“These charges are absolutely horrifying. They are just trying to stop any resistance to the Trump administration,” Samantha Miller, an organizer with the Disrupt J20 Collective, told AlterNet. “Many of these demonstrators were showing rage and fear of what’s coming."


http://www.salon.com/2017/01/23/welcome-to-trumps-america-felony-riot-charges-against-inauguration-protesters-signal-dangerous-wave-of-repression_partner/


You can take that to the bank. It comes straight from the Bible--Salon Magazine.
layman
 
  -4  
Sat 11 Feb, 2017 07:37 am
Here's a helpful, friendly tip for alla yawl:

When you get bored with this thread, try this one here:

https://able2know.org/topic/269506-1#post-5901224

It's more better.

I aint lyin, neither.
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layman
 
  -4  
Sat 11 Feb, 2017 07:57 am
No big-ass surprise here, eh?

Quote:
Poll: Voters Trust Trump More Than Media
Americans say administration is more honest than press by 10-point margin in new survey

The same survey finds that the news media is less trusted than the administration, with 53 percent of voters calling it untruthful and just 39 percent finding the press to be honest.

As the most recent example of media bias and inflammatory reporting failing to change public opinion, a Politico poll conducted earlier this week shows that 55 percent of Americans support Trump's executive order on immigration — despite nearly universal negative coverage in the press.


http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/poll-voters-trust-trump-media/

Nice try, cheese-eaters.
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blatham
 
  3  
Sat 11 Feb, 2017 08:01 am
@farmerman,
I clearly don't read enough American history. But I did know that the Ojibwe would name a new child based on the first thing the father saw following the birth.
blatham
 
  3  
Sat 11 Feb, 2017 08:02 am
@izzythepush,
Wombles are just the cutest, aren't they.
Walter Hinteler
 
  4  
Sat 11 Feb, 2017 08:11 am
@layman,
layman wrote:
Looks like a lot of your "democratic" leaders are gunna be doin some hard time under Trump, eh, Walt?
You're suggesting, he'll take over our government?
Or perhaps he'll become our new president - the election is tomorrow, he wasn't nominated, but that doesn't matter, isn't it?
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blatham
 
  4  
Sat 11 Feb, 2017 08:16 am
Quote:
Matthew Yglesias ‏@mattyglesias 9m9 minutes ago
It's worth noting that the US citizens who live in the places where there are a lot of immigrants don't seem too worried about immigration.

Yes. I've lived in Vancouver, New York City, Portland and Texas. Three of those cities (first two particularly) have a LOT of immigration from all over the world and none are hotbeds of anti-immigrant hatred. That last place noted is different.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Sat 11 Feb, 2017 08:17 am
@layman,
layman wrote:
You can argue that, but that's not been established as a legal precedent.

This is exactly what the Constitution says:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

I'm not sure there is much room for interpretation there.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Sat 11 Feb, 2017 08:19 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
Thats really not a compelling argument ya know?. "Your demagoguery is just as bed as ours"

I find it compelling.


farmerman wrote:
WOuld you buy a car with those features
"Were really Not as bad as you'd think"

I don't think that is comparable to the demagoguery argument.
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gungasnake
 
  -3  
Sat 11 Feb, 2017 08:19 am
@blatham,
Quote:
...I want to start with Trump’s lies.


DT didn't lile when he said he was going to drain the swamp in D.C.

http://usapolitics24hrs.com/index.php/2017/02/09/confirmed-jeff-sessions-authorize-arrests-washington-dc-pedo-ring/

Quote:
Following the confirmation of Senator Jeff Sessions as the next attorney general, a series of mass arrests of politicians connected to a Washington D.C. pedophile ring is expected to begin in a matter of days.

Senator Jeff Sessions of Alabama was confirmed as the next attorney general following a 52-47 vote on Wednesday.

His swearing in on Thursday is expected to precede the mass arrests of high profile senior politicians connected to the ‘Pizzagate‘ scandal in Washington D.C.

This news confirms claims made by an FBI insider last week who said that at least 30 politicians and 40 others connected to a pedo ring in Washington D.C. would be arrested in a series of surprise raids in the very near future.....


Lottsa democrats about to go down.....
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oralloy
 
  -4  
Sat 11 Feb, 2017 08:20 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
I think you're missing the point. Yes, it's true that you can find irrational, foam-at-the-mouth crazies on either end of the political spectrum. But look:
Andrew Sullivan wrote:
They are direct refutations of reality — and their propagation and repetition is about enforcing his power rather than wriggling out of a political conundrum.

The loony left doesn't have power. They're out on the streets wearing black masks and protesting. The hand-wringing Democrats in Washington are moderates in comparison to the real extremists on the left. But when we look at the right, the extremists have actually taken power. We're not talking about some bunch of rag tag survivalists out west somewhere — the radical right has people at the top levels of the Trump administration. We're not talking about "egregious lies" being spouted by some bitter SJW at a demonstration or intoned by some self-styled Marxist professor at a liberal arts college — we're talking about "egregious lies" coming directly from Mr. Trump and the people he has placed in positions of power. The rightist "crazies" have displaced the moderate Republicans; the leftist "crazies" only wish they had such influence in the Democratic Party.

Yes, but consider the alternative. If Trump hadn't been elected, right now we'd be faced with Hillary finalizing those horrendous executive orders on guns and packing the courts with judges who would maliciously allow the Second Amendment to be violated.

Maybe Trump isn't perfect, but the alternative was the destruction the nation.
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blatham
 
  4  
Sat 11 Feb, 2017 08:25 am
Lying liberal media will NEVER find the millions who fraudulently voted against Trump because after voting they were transported to Bowling Green where they were massacred.

Fact.
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blatham
 
  3  
Sat 11 Feb, 2017 08:29 am
This is a very good possibility
Quote:
Martin Indyk
‏@Martin_Indyk
Sheldon Adelson and Niki Haley dined with Trump on Thursday night. My guess: Sheldon might have vetoed Salam Fayad for the UN job.
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blatham
 
  3  
Sat 11 Feb, 2017 08:35 am
Notice the spin that is being put on Flynn's call to Putin just before the sanctions were to be announced by Obama.
- Trump didn't know what they'd talk about or did talk about.
- Pence didn't know what they'd talk about or what they did talk about.
- (not sure if he's been asked but) Bannon will say he didn't know either.

What are the chances any one of those is true?


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izzythepush
 
  2  
Sat 11 Feb, 2017 08:40 am
@blatham,
And environmentally friendly.



Underground, overground, wombling free
The Wombles of Wimbledon Common are we
Making good use of the things that we find
Things that the everyday folks leave behind

Uncle Bulgaria He can remember the days when he wasn't behind the times
With his map of the world
Pick up the papers and take 'em to Tobermory

Wombles are organised, work as a team
Wombles are tidy and Wombles are clean
Underground, overground, wombling free
The Wombles of Wimbledon Common are we

People don't notice us, they never see
Under their noses a Womble may be
We womble by night and we womble by day
Looking for litter to trundle away

We're so incredibly utterly devious
Making the most of everything
Even bottles and tins
Pick up the pieces and make 'em into something new
Is what we do

Underground, overground, wombling free
The Wombles of Wimbledon Common are we
Making good use of the things that we find
Things that the everyday folks leave behind

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blatham
 
  4  
Sat 11 Feb, 2017 08:48 am
Quote:
"Our legal system is broken! "77% of refugees allowed into U.S. since travel reprieve hail from seven suspect countries." (WT) SO DANGEROUS!" the president tweeted.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-legal-system-is-broken-234927

How will we know when the judicial system is fixed? When all courts and all jurists do exactly what Trump tells them to do. Because that's what the constitution says and what the framers said they wanted.

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hightor
 
  4  
Sat 11 Feb, 2017 08:49 am
http://esq.h-cdn.co/assets/16/48/1480638381-trump-tie-tape.jpg
Looking out at a million to a million-and-a-half adoring fans!

Classy!

Quote:
Mr. Trump’s tie symbolizes one of the central questions of his candidacy, and now his presidency. Is his seeming ineptness genuine? Or is it part of a contrived performance, designed to deploy the symbols of power while rejecting the conventions of civility that have traditionally defined and constrained them?

NYT
blatham
 
  3  
Sat 11 Feb, 2017 08:54 am
@hightor,
Note the effort evident in that facial expression (in the full photo at the link, Pence wears no such strained and high-effort expression).

My guess is that his face is a mirror of his strong intentions as regards the stability of his hair artifact. He is unconfident that the Home Depot Semi Gloss Lacquer spray will continue to do the necessary work. But I don't mean to insist that this man is insane.
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layman
 
  -3  
Sat 11 Feb, 2017 08:54 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

I'm not sure there is much room for interpretation there.


Well, maybe you're not sure, but some prominent legal scholars seem to be pretty sure. They're just words which have no have no inherent and necessary relationship to anything "out there" in objective reality. So you can define them however you want to, really:

Quote:
Bills have been introduced from time to time in Congress which have sought to declare American-born children of foreign nationals not to be "subject to the jurisdiction of the United States", and thus not entitled to citizenship via the 14th Amendment, unless at least one parent was an American citizen or a lawful permanent resident.


A chinaman in a rice paddy is not "subject to our jurisdiction." If he were in our country he would be subject to our laws, but he'd still be a chinaman, subject to the juridiction of China. Same with foreign diplomats.
 

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