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Setanta
 
  1  
Mon 4 May, 2020 10:30 am
I'll not string this out--but you really don't get American politics and the American electorate. I view your crude remarks and puerile nastiness with disgust.
livinglava
 
  -3  
Mon 4 May, 2020 10:41 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

coldjoint wrote:
You know as well as I do that number is inflated and my number is there. The CDC should get their **** together.

Since such is mentioned today in the US and European media with some astonishment (we have the same "problem" in most of not all countries). here again, as quote translated from a paper:
Quote:
“What’s the explanation here?” she [Fox News host Laura Ingraham] asked.

It’s pretty simple, actually.

Even a cursory look at the Web page at issue should disabuse anyone of this particular theory. At the top, the page clearly says these data are based upon death certificates and are thus a lagging indicator of the death toll.

“Note: Provisional death counts are based on death certificate data received and coded by the National Center for Health Statistics as of May 1, 2020," it says. "Death counts are delayed and may differ from other published sources.”

This word of caution is repeated throughout the page, in fact. Below the table of weekly deaths, it says, “Data during this period are incomplete because of the lag in time between when the death occurred and when the death certificate is completed, submitted to [the National Center for Health Statistics] and processed for reporting purposes. This delay can range from 1 week to 8 weeks or more.”


Similar was said about e.g. the numbers of infected persons in Germany. But also everyone tried to explain the reason for it (and it's noted on the official website like the CDC does) the right-wing conspirators still still can't read it.

You can't prove that something is not a conspiracy because the logic of conspiracy theory is that lying/manipulating people are powerful and savvy enough to fake anything that needs to be faked in order to procure the big lie.
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hightor
 
  2  
Mon 4 May, 2020 10:56 am
@Setanta,
(to whom is this addressed?)
blatham
 
  3  
Mon 4 May, 2020 10:57 am
Quote:
The Trump administration anticipates that more than 3,000 Americans will be dying each day of COVID-19 by June 1, according to a newly revealed internal government document obtained by the New York Times.

The Times obtained an internal Centers for Disease Control document providing detailed projections on the progression of the COVID-19 pandemic around the country. The data goes up to May 2.

The document says that new cases will grow to a rate of around 225,000 per day by June 1, and that deaths will reach around 3,000 per day by the same date.

There are currently around 25,000 new cases each day in the United States, and around 2,000 deaths each day.
TPM

As Trump said, "There are no deaths from the virus now but in a while there will magically be 3000 per day"
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Mon 4 May, 2020 11:31 am
@blatham,
Quote:
The Trump administration anticipates that more than 3,000 Americans will be dying each day of COVID-19 by June 1, according to a newly revealed internal government document obtained by the New York Times.

A big lie right there. The CDC anticipates the deaths.

Quote:
There are currently around 25,000 new cases each day in the United States, and around 2,000 deaths each day.

And more of the same crap. How many of those deaths are caused just from Covid 19? We have yet to get a real answer. Do people understand keep the economy closed down will cause more deaths than Covid 19 did on its best day?
Some do, but not the fearmongers at the NYT and the fearmongers posting here.
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ehBeth
 
  3  
Mon 4 May, 2020 11:39 am
@snood,
snood wrote:
If a fraction of those young people take the trouble to vote it means big trouble for the orange slime.


this is absolutely vital.

thanks for being there and for talking to young people. their engagement matters more than anything
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Mon 4 May, 2020 11:52 am
@ehBeth,
Quote:

thanks for being there and for talking to young people. their engagement matters more than anything

No doubt in my mind Snood will not turn this election into a Trump loss. Any young people who decide not to vote will be made up for by the Black and Hispanic votes Trump will get. That number has grown slow, but steadily, since Trump took office.
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coldjoint
 
  -3  
Mon 4 May, 2020 11:53 am
@hightor,
Quote:
(to whom is this addressed?)

Who cares, besides you and Setanta?
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coldjoint
 
  -3  
Mon 4 May, 2020 12:03 pm
Quote:
WATCH: AG Barr says Expect Durham report late spring or early summer 2020

Covid 19 will take a back seat when this report comes out. The MSM will have to devote all its time to spinning the conclusions Durham reached. They will also have to start defending who is ever indicted and whoever those indicted will turn on.

It, the report, can only increase Trump's popularity and expose more lying basically traitorous Democrats. Very good news.

https://sharylattkisson.com/2019/12/watch-ag-barr-says-expect-durham-report-late-spring-or-early-summer-2020/
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coldjoint
 
  -2  
Mon 4 May, 2020 12:42 pm
https://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/afb050220dAPC20200501114514.jpg
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coldjoint
 
  -2  
Mon 4 May, 2020 12:46 pm
https://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/gv050120dAPR20200430084742.jpg
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snood
 
  6  
Mon 4 May, 2020 12:47 pm
Anyone else think the next six months might be the most likely time for mango Mussolini to declare a war? As he becomes more and more cornered...
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Mon 4 May, 2020 12:51 pm
@snood,
Quote:
Anyone else think the next six months might be the most likely time for mango Mussolini to declare a war?

He has been at war since he was elected. He is also winning that war, he will not start another. What makes you think he will? Are you just fear mongering to keep up with the Jones's?
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izzythepush
 
  3  
Mon 4 May, 2020 12:55 pm
@snood,
He’s certainly been champing at the bit re Iran.
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Setanta
 
  2  
Mon 4 May, 2020 01:07 pm
@snood,
Certainly Americans habitually re-elect "war presidents," but not if they started the war. James Polk is the only president that ever unambiguously started a war--the Mexican War--but he did not run for re-election. The fat boy in the White House would have to engineer a war, and I don't think that would work. (Polk in fact died on inauguration day of Zachary Taylor who replaced him. We would never be so lucky.)
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Mon 4 May, 2020 01:12 pm
@Setanta,
The presidency turned Polk into an alcoholic and ruined his life. Trump does not drink.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Mon 4 May, 2020 01:35 pm
https://www.whatfinger.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/killyou-256x300.jpg
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bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Mon 4 May, 2020 01:55 pm
Trump Administration Models Predict Near Doubling of Daily Death Toll by June
Source: New York Times

The Trump administration projects about 3,000 daily deaths by early June.
As President Trump presses for states to reopen their economies, his administration is privately projecting a steady rise in the number of cases and deaths from the coronavirus over the next several weeks, reaching about 3,000 daily deaths on June 1, according to an internal document obtained by The New York Times, nearly double from the current level of about 1,750.

The projections, based on government modeling pulled together in chart form by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, forecast about 200,000 new cases each day by the end of the month, up from about 25,000 cases now.

The numbers underscore a sobering reality: While the United States has been hunkered down for the past seven weeks, not much has changed. And the reopening to the economy will make matters worse.

“There remains a large number of counties whose burden continues to grow,” the C.D.C. warned.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/04/us/coronavirus-updates.html
coldjoint
 
  0  
Mon 4 May, 2020 02:18 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
The numbers underscore a sobering reality: While the United States has been hunkered down for the past seven weeks, not much has changed. And the reopening to the economy will make matters worse.

More fear mongering. The economy has to reopen. People seem willing to take their chances. The MSM and other special interests want to scare the Hell out of people. They do not talk about asymptomatic cases or the age group and people with conditions that need to take the extra precautions.

And back to the numbers. None of them have been accurate since this crap started.

Quote:
when cases were rising so rapidly in some parts of the country that patients were dying on gurneys in hospital hallways as the health care system was overloaded.

And exactly where did that happen? Where is the name of the facility and the date it happened. This is fearmongering bullshit that is questioned and never answered.
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