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snood
 
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Fri 1 May, 2020 09:24 am
@revelette3,
No, Blatham didn’t get it wrong. Trump was clearly saying that blue state governors had to earn favors from him.
revelette3
 
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Fri 1 May, 2020 09:26 am
@blatham,
I see I should have scrolled up the page a little. Sorry, everyone.
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revelette3
 
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Fri 1 May, 2020 09:37 am
@snood,
Well, I hope you are both wrong, no offense. Surely he is not making states with Democratic governors give him something in return before the state will receive aid allocated by congress? I mean they were discussing an upcoming bill, not money already allocated and approved by Congress to go all states with no conditions attached. (as it obviously should naturally be) I'll look around and read some more before commenting on this. I am a little confused on it right at the present.
blatham
 
  3  
Fri 1 May, 2020 09:55 am
@revelette3,
But he is differentiating red states/blue states in his rhetoric there. And extortion is the game he's playing
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I am a little confused on it right at the present.

Not your fault. Creating confusion is one of his primary tools. Trump is an politically uneducated bully and con man so much of what he says he will or can do are beyond his capacity but even so he can gum up the works to privilege states which he deems necessary in November.
revelette3
 
  3  
Fri 1 May, 2020 10:15 am
@blatham,
I agree about his rhetoric in this particular instance and I have read in recent months about Trump holding up aid to blue states hardest hit by the virus unless they are nice to him. So I guess this has already happened and I questioned something I already knew.

My only point was the point under discussion when Trump answered the question was about Pelosi's upcoming aid to states. I think in this instance he was referring to agreeing with Pelosi's aid package, not states in this particular instance but I could be wrong.

On Trump's rhetoric dividing and causing more hatred in our country towards one another, we all should be in this crisis together, literally, not just an empty slogan.

I get your overall point. It goes to McConnell stupid but harmful and telling statement of letting states go bankrupt who have been hit the hardest during this Pandemic crisis. It is an ugly path some republicans and Trump are starting to go down. When you think they reached their depths, they go down deeper.

Trump Is Weaponizing the Nice Things He Forced Democratic Governors to Say About Him
blatham
 
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Fri 1 May, 2020 10:23 am
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Prime Minister Justin Trudeau today announced a ban on some 1,500 makes and models of military-grade "assault-style" weapons in Canada, effective immediately.

Starting today, licensed gun owners will no longer be allowed to sell, transport, import or use these sorts of weapons in this country.

"As of today, the market for assault weapons in Canada is closed," Public Safety Minister Bill Blair said. "Enough is enough. Banning these firearms will save Canadian lives."

Trudeau said there will be a two-year amnesty period to allow people who already own these firearms to comply with the ban. Trudeau promised to pass legislation in the coming months to provide "fair compensation" to people who own these firearms.
CBC

I will note as well that political discourse here regarding the pandemic and government (provincial and federal) responses to it has been marked by very little discord and misinformation, particularly in contrast to the US. The difference is incredibly stark.
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livinglava
 
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Fri 1 May, 2020 10:24 am
@revelette3,
revelette3 wrote:

I get your overall point. It goes to McConnell stupid but harmful and telling statement of letting states go bankrupt who have been hit the hardest during this Pandemic crisis.

Can you acknowledge on any level that higher budgets have more room to come down than lower budgets?

As for discrimination against blue states, why don't you find some that have the same per-capita budgets and/or cost-of-living as some other blue state, and then see if there is a political motive to provide less funding than for a red state with same budget/cost levels?
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blatham
 
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Fri 1 May, 2020 10:25 am
@revelette3,
Your point is correct.
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hightor
 
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Fri 1 May, 2020 10:29 am
@revelette3,
What the Republicans want is something that covers businesses from lawsuits if returning workers contract covid-19. So basically, they're admitting that it may not be safe to return to work but get back on the job and do what your boss says and if you get sick, tough. It's worth noting that once a business offers you a job, if you don't take it, your state can deny you any more unemployment benefits so it really helps those states which only offer meager unemployment protection.
livinglava
 
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Fri 1 May, 2020 10:38 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

What the Republicans want is something that covers businesses from lawsuits if returning workers contract covid-19. So basically, they're admitting that it may not be safe to return to work but get back on the job and do what your boss says and if you get sick, tough. It's worth noting that once a business offers you a job, if you don't take it, your state can deny you any more unemployment benefits so it really helps those states which only offer meager unemployment protection.

It's a game of chicken. Workers/unions want businesses to keep paying people even if their revenues have dropped. Businesses don't want to keep losing money, so they are looking for a way to cut their expenses.

When there's a health risk in play, the business is saying, "ok, if you make me pay your salary, we're going to have to figure out a way to make money despite the risk, until you quit," and workers/unions are saying, "if you can't make money because people are staying home, you are going to have to keep paying us until you go bankrupt regardless."

So there is your standoff.
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Setanta
 
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Fri 1 May, 2020 10:56 am
The "standoff" is the inept and capitalist-centered package that the Republicans rammed through Congress. They tried to make it even less generous for workers and more generous for corporations, but Pelosi dug in her heels. By contrast with the paltry one-time payment of $1200 in the States, Canada is giving people $2000/month for four months, above and beyond unemployment checks. The provinces are providing financial support in addition to the Federal aid.

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In Denmark, political parties from across the ideological spectrum joined with labor unions and employers associations this month to unite behind a plan that has the government covering 75 to 90 percent of all worker salaries over the next three months, provided that companies refrain from layoffs.

In Denmark, political parties from across the ideological spectrum joined with labor unions and employers associations this month to unite behind a plan that has the government covering 75 to 90 percent of all worker salaries over the next three months, provided that companies refrain from layoffs.


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The Netherlands produced a similar scheme, with the government stepping in to cover 90 percent of wages for firms that show losses of at least 20 percent of their revenue. The British government pledged to cover 80 percent of wages, and on Thursday extended those protections to the self-employed.

The aim of this approach is to prevent the wrenching experience of mass unemployment, while allowing businesses to retain their people rather than firing and then hiring them again. Once normalcy returns, companies would be in position to quickly resume operations, restoring economic growth.


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“There was quickly an understanding that we were in an exceptional situation where it was necessary to very quickly produce exceptional initiatives,” said Carl-Johan Dalgaard, an economist at the University of Copenhagen and chair of the Danish Economic Council, which advises policymakers. “If you can tide firms over and thereby reduce the severity of bankruptcies and firings, you can expedite the return to normal.”


Source for the quotes above at The New York Times.

But the fat boy in the White House and Republicans in general are anxious to maintain a bloated military-industrial complex, and to cozen taxpayers with tax cuts. Basically, as far as the working and middle classes in the United States are concerned, it's a hearty handshake and a swift kick in the ass.
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hightor
 
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Fri 1 May, 2020 11:00 am
The federal government could have guaranteed wages, say at 75% - 80%, for three months at the cost of $600 billion. This is what was done in Europe. Instead, the states' unemployment funds were tapped. They were not designed to deal with a disaster at this level.

EDIT: thanks, Setanta!
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Setanta
 
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Fri 1 May, 2020 11:03 am
Cheers, Boss. The reports I have read at several sources say that money in the two trillion dollar package earmarked for small businesses are getting sucked up by subsidiaries and holding companies of large corporations. Business as usual in the states.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 1 May, 2020 11:10 am
@Setanta,
Since more than a century* we've got "Kurzarbeit" here, now partly copied by other European countries.

Kurzarbeit translates literally to "short-time work".
Around two-thirds of the salaries of workers,whose employers slash their hours after an agreement with the company's works council, are paid by the federal labour agency. These payments also cover workers' social contributions (health insurance, pension insurance, long time care insurance etc), with the whole package lasting up to one year.

Kurzarbeit’s long history and acceptance by both firms and workers is one reason why it works so well in Germany.

*Edit: since May 1910.
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revelette3
 
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Fri 1 May, 2020 11:25 am
While Trump encourges stay-at-home protest:

Nearly seven weeks into the shutdown, here’s why so many are still getting sick

Basically, it is the essential workers getting sick and spreading it to those staying at home with them. So since that is not getting the numbers down to zero, why don't we just lift all restrictions and let everybody die out like the olden days of the plague. After all, it seems to be worse in only in the heavily populated states which are mostly blue states, let them die.

Which is stupid on the face of it. You have to consider how many are sick or dead versus the population of each state to know which states have it relatively worse. (i would think)

Well, I need to get off my fanny and get to doing other things rather than this.
coldjoint
 
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Fri 1 May, 2020 11:37 am
@eurocelticyankee,
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The report will come & go like the report on Clinton.

They are waiting for Clinton to finally testify under oath about her server. The FBI never put her under oath and allowed her to bring lawyers. It has been in the news. Clinton is fighting it but losing.

The Durham report will not just come and go. People will be held accountable and we will see how high it goes. Considering the people involved are thoroughly corrupt I expect a lot of back stabbing.
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coldjoint
 
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Fri 1 May, 2020 11:45 am
@revelette3,
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So since that is not getting the numbers down to zero,

Nothing is going to do that. What are you people thinking? I know what the people telling you what to think are. They are telling to be afraid and destroy the economy doing it. People will suffer more from a wrecked economy than they will from this disease. That is fact. More people die from poverty than anything else.
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coldjoint
 
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Fri 1 May, 2020 11:59 am
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Additional 11-Pages of FBI Documents Unsealed – Biggest Surprise: President Obama Implicated

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January 5th is the White House meeting where National Security Advisor Susan Rice, FBI Director James Comey (Crossfire Hurricane), and Deputy AG Sally Yates (Flynn FARA) are talking to President Obama about the status of the Flynn FBI investigation and President Obama says “by the book”.

1/4/17 – FBI wants to close investigation.
1/4/17 – Peter Strzok says no wait… I have a plan.
1/4/17 – James Comey involved. “7th Floor Involved”
1/5/17 – James Comey goes to White House.
1/5/17 – President Obama says: OK, but make sure “by the book”. [Susan Rice Memo]

“President Obama began the conversation by stressing his continued commitment to ensuring that every aspect of this issue is handled by the Intelligence and law enforcement communities “by the book“.”

“The President stressed that he is not asking about, initiating or instructing anything from a law enforcement perspective. He reiterated that our law enforcement team needs to proceed as it normally would, “by the book.””

Susan Rice Memo

1/6/17 – James Comey briefs President-elect Trump in Trump Tower on the Steele Dossier. [Comey Memos]
1/6/17 – Christopher Steele deletes all files relating to his Trump Dossier.

It doesn’t take an investigative genius to see what took place here.

They never thought Killary would lose. Looks like they are going to lose too.
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How could Ms. Susan Rice be aware of a “national security compromise”, “particularly surrounding Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn” after a “briefing by the FBI”, if she was “not briefed on the existence of an FBI investigation”? With all of this information, these stories are falling apart.


https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/04/30/additional-11-pages-of-fbi-documents-unsealed-biggest-surprise-president-obama-implicated/
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coldjoint
 
  -4  
Fri 1 May, 2020 12:07 pm
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Trump Approval Rating Hits All-Time High in New Gallup Poll

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President Trump’s approval rating hit an all-time high in a Gallup survey released on Friday, with 49 percent of respondents approving of his performance versus 47 percent disapproving.

Re-election numbers. Very Happy
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Most of the variation in Trump’s recent job approval rating is among independents,” Gallup said. “In the current poll, 47% of independents approve of the job he is doing as president, the highest Gallup has measured for the group to date. 93% of Republicans and 8% of Democrats approve of the job Trump is doing."

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/trump-approval-rating-hits-all-time-high-in-new-gallup-poll/
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