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cicerone imposter
 
  5  
Thu 9 Feb, 2017 06:15 pm
@layman,
Yes. Trump must provide evidence for his claim. What Trump declared was unConstitutional. It was a restriction against a religion.
layman
 
  -3  
Thu 9 Feb, 2017 06:20 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Heh.

The "constitution" says nothing about who has the "right" (no one) to immigrate. As set forth in the constituion, the judical branch has no role to play in making such decisions and establishing such policies.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Thu 9 Feb, 2017 06:30 pm
@layman,
Study the Constitution about how our country treats foreigners.
layman
 
  -3  
Thu 9 Feb, 2017 06:31 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Study this, eh, Al:

Quote:
Congress has nearly full authority to regulate immigration without interference from the courts. Because immigration is considered a matter of national security and foreign policy, the Supreme Court has long held that immigration law is largely immune from judicial review. Congress can make rules for immigrants that would be unacceptable if applied to citizens.

In 1952's Harisiades v. Shaughnessy, the Supreme Court upheld the right of Congress to expel noncitizens who were former Communists. It held that "...the place to resist unwise or cruel legislation touching aliens is the Congress, not this Court."
cicerone imposter
 
  4  
Thu 9 Feb, 2017 06:33 pm
@layman,
You missed the key word, "congress."
layman
 
  -3  
Thu 9 Feb, 2017 06:38 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

You missed the key word, "congress."


Even assuming that the sole power lies with Congress (it doesn't), Congress can delegate some of it's authority to the President, if it wishes, and it very clearly has, in this case.

Quote:
“The exclusion of aliens is a fundamental act of sovereignty … inherent in the executive power,” the Supreme Court said in 1950. And lest there be doubt, Congress adopted a provision in 1952 saying the president “may by proclamation and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens and any class of aliens as immigrants or non-immigrants” whenever he thinks it “would be detrimental to the interests of the United States.”


http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-travel-ban-legal-analysis-20170206-story.html
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layman
 
  -3  
Thu 9 Feb, 2017 06:52 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Standing at the lectern, Trump read aloud title eight, chapter 12 of U.S. Code which states: "Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or non-immigrants, or impose on entry of aliens any restrictions may deem to be appropriate."

"This isn't just me, this is for Obama, for Ronald Reagan, for the president," Trump said. "It was done for the security of our nation, the security of our citizens."


http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2017/02/08/trump-slams-courts-by-reading-federal-law-n2283094

Try again, Al.

The main point here is that the courts aint got no business trying to dictate foreign affairs and national security.
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farmerman
 
  7  
Thu 9 Feb, 2017 07:15 pm
The funny thing about this unanimous decision from the 3 judge panel was that TRUMP himself needs to take a big dose of STFU if he ever wants to get anything through the courts. As a result of this decsion , an an issue of stare decisis, the court reaffirmed that "IT DOES HAVE THE POWER TO REVIEW the actions and orders of the president.
Trump had :
1 Used poor wording for this EO (apparently his ADD just defaulted to one of his toadies who would have to write the damn thing, thus assuring that it would become a first amendment issue, to which Trump only set up nicely by his idiotic regal tweets
2 Used poor judgement by Stating that his orders are "unassailable by the judiciary" in matters of protection of the homeland, merely provoked the added statements by the panel.

At least hes entertaining, so long as he doesnt get us in to a shooting war with his moronic jovian ego.


layman
 
  -4  
Thu 9 Feb, 2017 07:17 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I will concede that the long-time bureaucratic attorney, probably a democrat who's heart wasn't in it, made a very poor showing in arguing Trump's case before the appellate court.

That wouldn't have made any difference to a competent court, but these cheese-eating, power usurping clowns in the 9th Circuit don't pay any attention to the law anyway, so it probably didn't make any difference.

It's actually a good sign for Trump. As the attorneys in the district say: "If the 9th Circuit rules against you, then you know you have a good case." 86% of that court's rulings which went to the Supreme Court in 2012 were reversed.
layman
 
  -4  
Thu 9 Feb, 2017 07:29 pm
@layman,
If a particular executive order attempts to exceed executive power, or something like that, then of course the courts have a role to play in enforcing the constitution.

But it is ludicrous to claim, as this court did. that even for matters exclusively within his constitutional jurisdiction, Trump must "present evidence" to the 9th Circuit in order to "explain the need" for his actions.

Utterly preposterous.

These delusional cheese-eaters actually think that THEY have been elected President, it seems.
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layman
 
  -4  
Thu 9 Feb, 2017 07:47 pm
@layman,
Quote:
I will concede that the long-time bureaucratic attorney, probably a democrat who's heart wasn't in it, made a very poor showing in arguing Trump's case before the appellate court.


I think it's obvious what Trump will have to say to this guy, eh?






You're FIRED.
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cicerone imposter
 
  3  
Thu 9 Feb, 2017 08:04 pm
@farmerman,
I've often wondered how many commanders would follow his order to start a war. I bet some have talked about that possibility.
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wmwcjr
 
  7  
Thu 9 Feb, 2017 08:08 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
I thought his post was hilarious. The problem is that you simply don't like your new hero to be ridiculed as the object of humor. I remember when you didn't like Trump. At the time I thought you were quite principled, but I guess political expediency Trumps all.
layman
 
  -2  
Thu 9 Feb, 2017 08:49 pm
@wmwcjr,
wmwcjr wrote:

I remember when you didn't like Trump. At the time I thought you were quite principled, but I guess political expediency Trumps all.


"Principled," Bill?

You don't have to approve of Hillary Clinton, as a person, to agree with her policies.

Same with respect to Trump, needless to say.

"Principles," by their very nature, do NOT depend on "personality."
layman
 
  -2  
Thu 9 Feb, 2017 08:59 pm
@layman,
The tendency of cheese-eaters to try to create, and thrive in, a "cult of personality," as they've done with both Obama (worship) and Trump (demonization), is quite shallow, actually. For them, everything seems to be a matter of who they "like."
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layman
 
  -2  
Thu 9 Feb, 2017 09:35 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

You have to wonder how this might effect voting in the state and LA in general... They already show no fear in breaking the law to do what they want to do, what actually keeps them from voting at this point? Fake ID's that show them to be legal US residents or fake ID's used to get Green Cards. Shut it all down and start from scratch with all suspected GC holders. Start with that guys family and friends.


Yeah, it's really pretty self-evident, eh?

1. This guy says "EVERYBODY" has false ID's.
2. California REFUSES to require proof of citizenship to vote.
3. There are, from what I hear, about 3 million non-citizens who are legally in Ca with papers (visas, work permits, lpr's etc.) but who are NOT legally allowed to vote.
4. There are estimated to be 2-3 million more residents of CA who are strictly illegal.
5. Moonbeam Brown keeps getting elected.
6. The Mayor of L. A. is of Mexican descent.
7. The State Senate leader is of Mexican descent, and half of his family are illegals with false ID's.
8. Trump recieved the majority vote in 49 of the 50 States--it wasn't until the California vote was counted that he fell behind in the popular vote.

The voting patterns of CA are completely out of line with everyone else in the country.

Add it all up. What's that tellya?

Tells me that once Trump does his nationwide investigation of voter fraud, the Dems will probably lose at least 10 million votes (nationwide, there are about 20 million non-citizens of voting age).

You can expect about 10 million lawsuits against Trump once the crackdown begins, I suspect. Of course they'll all lose, but still....

I think Trump is getting kickbacks from the American Bar Association. He's gunna keep their members busy 24/7 for years, ya know?
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giujohn
 
  -2  
Thu 9 Feb, 2017 10:15 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

The funny thing about this unanimous decision from the 3 judge panel was that TRUMP himself needs to take a big dose of STFU if he ever wants to get anything through the courts. As a result of this decsion , an an issue of stare decisis, the court reaffirmed that "IT DOES HAVE THE POWER TO REVIEW the actions and orders of the president.
Trump had :
1 Used poor wording for this EO (apparently his ADD just defaulted to one of his toadies who would have to write the damn thing, thus assuring that it would become a first amendment issue, to which Trump only set up nicely by his idiotic regal tweets
2 Used poor judgement by Stating that his orders are "unassailable by the judiciary" in matters of protection of the homeland, merely provoked the added statements by the panel.

At least hes entertaining, so long as he doesnt get us in to a shooting war with his moronic jovian ego.





Stare Decisis?? From the nutty nineth?? Are you cereal???

They are overturned more than all the garbage cans on Halloween night. Precident my ass.
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giujohn
 
  -2  
Thu 9 Feb, 2017 10:17 pm
@layman,
layman wrote:

wmwcjr wrote:

I remember when you didn't like Trump. At the time I thought you were quite principled, but I guess political expediency Trumps all.



"Principled," Bill?

You don't have to approve of Hillary Clinton, as a person, to agree with her policies.

Same with respect to Trump, needless to say.

"Principles," by their very nature, do NOT depend on "personality."



Uh oh Bill...he's got you there.
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maporsche
 
  5  
Thu 9 Feb, 2017 11:14 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

I want the GOP to succeed on their repeal of ACA. It will destroy their party when they take away health care from 16 million people, many who will die without health insurance.


It's like you don't even understand the real life impact of the ideas you type. You live in a bubble CI, a silicon valley bubble.

You literally just said that you want people to die so that it hurts the republican party. How many deaths will you cheer on in your path to decimate the republicans?
layman
 
  -2  
Thu 9 Feb, 2017 11:48 pm
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

How many deaths will you cheer on in your path to decimate the republicans?


A left-wing magazine editorial from 10-15 years ago:

Quote:
I have a confession: I have at times, as the war has unfolded, secretly wished for things to go wrong," Gary Kamiya, executive editor of the left-leaning Internet journal Salon, wrote last week. "Wished for the Iraqis to be more nationalistic, to resist longer.”

“Wished for the Arab world to rise up in rage. Wished for all the things we feared would happen. I'm not alone: A number of people who oppose the war have told me they have had identical feelings."

“Some of this is merely the result of pettiness -- ignoble resentment, partisan hackdom, the desire to be proved right and to prove the likes of Rumsfeld wrong, irritation with the sanitizing, myth-making American media. But some of it is something trickier:…

“Wishing for things to go wrong is the logical corollary of the postulate that the better things go for Bush, the worse they will go for America and the rest of the world. Pessimism is the dirty little secret of the antiwar camp -- dirty because there is something distasteful about wishing for bad outcomes.”


At least this guy is explicit about it, and recognizes his own motives, eh?
 

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