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lmur
 
  2  
Thu 9 Feb, 2017 04:47 pm
@cicerone imposter,
You perhaps may wish to re-phrase that (if that's not too authoritarian a suggestion).
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Baldimo
 
  -2  
Thu 9 Feb, 2017 04:57 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Talk about a campaign of fear. Where do you get the 16 million from? I've read 20 million total have coverage between the Exchange and Medicaid, then there is the 30 million quoted as going to die without the ACA, and now you are saying many out of 16 million. Doom and gloom from you guys anytime someone tries to fix a broken system.
farmerman
 
  3  
Thu 9 Feb, 2017 05:04 pm
@Baldimo,
One thing, Fredosso never cared much about "Truth" so he insists on only a conservative POV > How much of that rag is true?

They have had q good local news of the DC area when they used to be a free hand-out
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -3  
Thu 9 Feb, 2017 05:10 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
...is not going to win you a blue ribbon.


Oh no! I was trying so hard for a blatham blue ribbon!

Lies are lies. If you're outraged over a president lying, the number of lies is meaningless. The substance, however, could be, and which is more outrageous a president "lying" about crowd size and vote counts, or one who "lies" about his signature domestic policy so as to drum up public support?

Quote:
Earlier, you used the phrase "stream of consciousness" to describe what comes out of his mouth (or twitter fingers, I suppose). I'm not sure what you mean to suggest by that usage. We all type and speak (where words are previously composed) the same way. What bears attention is the content. "stream of consciousness" provides to valid or reasonable excuse for the content of Trump's thoughts.


What I mean't is what I wrote. I'm surprised you are having a hard time understanding it. I'm not surprised that you viewed it as a defense of Trump or an "excuse" for the often times stupid things he says.

I'm beginning to worry about your Bernie. Are you receiving some remuneration for this deluge of Trump criticism that makes absolutely no distinction between the serious and the trivial? If not, it appears you have been overcome by an obsession. Get a grip man.



old europe
 
  5  
Thu 9 Feb, 2017 05:11 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:
Doom and gloom from you guys anytime someone tries to fix a broken system.


Who's trying to fix a broken system, Baldimo? Where's the plan to fix things?

All that's currently being proposed is to move faster on repealing the Affordable Care Act.

Are you on board with repealing the ACA without a replacement?

Finn dAbuzz
 
  -2  
Thu 9 Feb, 2017 05:14 pm
@hightor,
All Trump critics are not "haters," and anyone who thinks such a thing is pig-headed.

Trump critics that attack him and his family for anything and everything said and done, clearly are "haters."

It's not rational.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -2  
Thu 9 Feb, 2017 05:15 pm
@InfraBlue,
Yeah...perfect example! Rolling Eyes
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -3  
Thu 9 Feb, 2017 05:22 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
My conclusions are tentative but I like them.


Of course...Perfect! Smile

His speech had pauses because he was always trying to sound like the smartest guy in the room, and overly concerned with what word or phrase to use. People who engage in this behavior rarely are aware of how often they utter "uh" or how long they pause.

There is nothing "smart" about it.
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Baldimo
 
  -2  
Thu 9 Feb, 2017 05:24 pm
@old europe,
Quote:
Who's trying to fix a broken system, Baldimo?

Well Obama and Reid tried, but they only ended up making things worse for people who had insurance, 60% of the population at the time of the ACA creation. Now the GOP is stuck with cleaning up that boondoggle of a law. As I've noted before, there were parts that everyone agreed on and should have been passed as their own laws.

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Where's the plan to fix things?

Ryan has a plan, that has been shown before. To claim that there isn't a plan would be a lie. Is it the best idea, I don't know but something is better than the crap we have had for the last couple of years. I'm still waiting on my $2500 a year in savings, instead of the $2500 a year in increases I saw.

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All that's currently being proposed is to move faster on repealing the Affordable Care Act.

Yes, by some in the GOP, but not the GOP as a whole. I think most of them know that just yanking the ACA without a replacement would be dumb and hurt some people. The majority of us who have insurance won't notice much difference other than a change in the plan structure.

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Are you on board with repealing the ACA without a replacement?

As I said above, the vast majority of citizens will not be effected. I would like to see a replacement that phases in as the ACA phases out, It's the smart way to do it.

layman
 
  -3  
Thu 9 Feb, 2017 05:26 pm
@old europe,
old europe wrote:

http://i.imgur.com/oYAOJFX.jpg


1. Trump's wife and daughter aint no "employees," nor is Trump himself.
2. "including non-profit organizations?" Look out, Hilly, Jeff is the new sheriff at the DOJ.
Brand X
 
  0  
Thu 9 Feb, 2017 05:26 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Death rate rose in 2016 surprising the experts. Just because people have insurance doesn't mean you can save them from themselves. Using Romneycare as a model it should work out that the mortality decreases, but there aren't any numbers yet available to show the true impact for the entire nation.
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Baldimo
 
  2  
Thu 9 Feb, 2017 05:38 pm
@layman,
Not to defend what they were saying, but they are pointing to Conway's use of airtime to promote Ivana's line of items. She would classify as a "friend" of Conway's and promoting her line of stuff would be a violation for Conway, not Ivanka or Melania, who benefits from the promotion. That's how I understand what they are implying.
ehBeth
 
  4  
Thu 9 Feb, 2017 05:40 pm
@old europe,
http://www.businessinsider.com/jason-chaffetz-ethics-review-kellyanne-conway-ivanka-trump-2017-2

Quote:
In a letter to the Office of Government Ethics, Reps. Jason Chaffetz and Elijah Cummings wrote that they had "extremely serious concerns" that Kellyanne Conway violated federal ethics rules when she appeared on Fox News on Thursday and explicitly endorsed Ivanka Trump's fashion line, which was dropped by Nordstrom after the retailer claimed the sales were slow.

"Conway's statements from the White House using her official title could appear to constitute an explicit endorsement, and advertisement for Ivanka Trump's personal business activities," the ranking members wrote.

The letter continued: "We request you review Conway's statements and act promptly based on the basis of your findings. We also ask you to report back to the committee with your recommendations for disciplinary action, if warranted."


Not sure if anyone's posted the formal complaint yet ... so I'll drop the letter off here.

https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Letter-to-OGE-re-Conway-Endorsement-FINAL.pdf


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layman
 
  -3  
Thu 9 Feb, 2017 05:42 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

Not to defend what they were saying, but they are pointing to Conway's use of airtime to promote Ivana's line of items. She would classify as a "friend" of Conway's and promoting her line of stuff would be a violation for Conway, not Ivanka or Melania, who benefits from the promotion. That's how I understand what they are implying.


Yeah, Baldy, in this particular case you're right. But insinuations have also been made to Trump, his daughter, and his wife as doing something improper, so.....
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ehBeth
 
  3  
Thu 9 Feb, 2017 05:44 pm
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/us-politics/us-appeals-court-upholds-suspension-of-trumps-immigration-ban/article33973119/

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A federal appeals court declined to reinstate the controversial immigration ban signed by U.S. President Donald Trump, delivering a blow to the White House and setting up a possible showdown in the nation’s highest court.

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit in San Francisco ruled on Thursday that the nationwide halt to the ban issued by a lower court on Feb. 3 could remain in place, allowing refugees and visa holders from seven Muslim-majority nations to continue entering the U.S.

Mr. Trump now has two choices: ask the Supreme Court to intervene immediately, or wait for the case to return to the lower court for further proceedings.


some useful links within the article including

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Read more: Trump’s immigration ban: What we know so far, and how it affects Canadians

Read more: How do U.S. courts work? A map of the battlefield for Trump’s immigration ban

Read more: Trump’s immigration ban is blocked: Six things you need to know


<snip>

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The problem for Mr. Trump is that the fate of his ban now sits in the hands of judges – and his torrent of criticism makes them likely to show less deference, not more, to his decisions.

If the Trump administration asks the Supreme Court to intervene immediately, the court would hear the matter with its current complement of eight judges (the ninth seat has been empty for more than a year following the death of Justice Antonin Scalia and a successful Republican effort to prevent former president Barack Obama from seating a replacement).

Mr. Trump has nominated Judge Neil Gorsuch to the empty seat and his confirmation process is in the early stages. As part of that process, Judge Gorsuch held meetings with several senators during which he distanced himself from Mr. Trump’s attacks on the judiciary. Judge Gorsuch called Mr. Trump’s remarks “demoralizing” and ”disheartening” in a meeting with a Democratic senator, an account confirmed by one of Judge Gorsuch’s advisers, according to the Washington Post.

As long as the Supreme Court has only eight members, it will represent a challenge for the Trump administration. Overturning the appeals court ruling issued on Thursday will require the agreement of five justices. But if the court were to split along liberal-conservative lines, the result would be a 4-4 tie, which would leave the appeals court judgment intact.
ossobucotemp
 
  2  
Thu 9 Feb, 2017 05:49 pm
@ehBeth,
Thanks for the links!

Edit to add exclamation point..
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  1  
Thu 9 Feb, 2017 05:52 pm
@ehBeth,
Damn! These Canadians are prolific linksters.
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ehBeth
 
  3  
Thu 9 Feb, 2017 06:02 pm
@Baldimo,
Correct. That is how the letter is phrased.
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ehBeth
 
  2  
Thu 9 Feb, 2017 06:03 pm
@ehBeth,
I was surprised to hear it was unanimous. Good thing I wasn't betting on it. Not that I bet but ...
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layman
 
  -4  
Thu 9 Feb, 2017 06:08 pm
@ehBeth,
This is just a procedural ruling, which doesn't affect the merits at all. If I were Trump, I'd just revoke the order and write another one just like it (with slight changes) at this point. I would wait until the new justice gets on the court before appealing **** like this.

Either way, you have an out-of-control judical branch saying **** like this:

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“The Government has pointed to no evidence that any alien from any of the countries named in the Order has perpetrated a terrorist attack in the United States,” the panel wrote. “Rather than present evidence to explain the need for the Executive Order, the Government has taken the position that we must not review its decision at all.”

“We disagree,” they added.


They "disagree,"eh? Now Trump has seek their approval for every act he takes? He has to "present evidence" to them and "explain the need'' for every executive decision he makes?

I don't think so!
 

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