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Builder
 
  -2  
Tue 21 Apr, 2020 02:25 am
@hawkeye10,
There's a swag of tossers hanging around, pretending to know what they're talking about, so you haven't missed much.
hawkeye10
 
  0  
Tue 21 Apr, 2020 02:29 am
@Builder,
Builder wrote:

There's a swag of tossers hanging around, pretending to know what they're talking about, so you haven't missed much.



This place mostly died a long time ago.

I predicted it, me pointing this out of course drives Robert insane.




EDIT....seems like most of the time you never liked me....what happened?

I dont recall ever having anything against you.
Builder
 
  -2  
Tue 21 Apr, 2020 02:43 am
@hawkeye10,
You had me pegged as being Engineer, which never goes over well with anyone.

I'm just Builder. Always have been.
hawkeye10
 
  -3  
Tue 21 Apr, 2020 02:47 am
@Builder,
Builder wrote:

You had me pegged as being Engineer, which never goes over well with anyone.

I'm just Builder. Always have been.


No, I never confused you two...

Engineer was/is awesome though....there used to be so many awesome people around here even into the late aughts....
Builder
 
  -1  
Tue 21 Apr, 2020 02:51 am
@hawkeye10,
My memory on this is still sharp.

But anyways, good to see you back.
hawkeye10
 
  -2  
Tue 21 Apr, 2020 02:52 am
@Builder,
Builder wrote:

My memory on this is still sharp.

But anyways, good to see you back.


Thank You
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eurocelticyankee
 
  8  
Tue 21 Apr, 2020 05:15 am
Quick get your pen and paper together right wingers & Trump supporters.

Your friend Kim Jong Un apparently isn't well and needs your support.

So send him love letters and make them beautiful.

Love letters straight from your (whatever passes for a heart in your world)


bobsal u1553115
 
  3  
Tue 21 Apr, 2020 07:51 am
‘Go To Work And Die?’ Ex-RNC Chair Fact-Checks Trump On Coronavirus Protests
“What is the point of that?” wondered Michael Steele, the former head of the Republican National Committee.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/michael-steele-trump-coronavirus_n_5e9e7021c5b6a486d07e583e

By Ed Mazza

President Donald Trump defended those protesting stay-at-home orders to stop the spread of the coronavirus pandemic. But a former official of his own party is calling him out over it.

Former Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele says those demonstrators aren’t just putting their own lives at risk, they’re also endangering the lives of vulnerable people around them.

Trump claimed the demonstrators ― who are being goaded by right-wing media ― “love our country” and “want to get back to work.”

But Steele stepped in with a reality check.

“Go to work and die?” he asked. “Go to work and get sick? What is the point of that?”

Steele said the governors who put the restrictions into place are trying to protect their citizens from COVID-19.

“We’re trying to get healthy,” he said, adding:

“And if you weigh your job greater than you weigh your grandparents’ lives or your children’s lives or your own life, maybe that’s your individual choice, but that’s not something that I’m willing to take a risk with my life on.”

He said the president should give Americans clarity and a sense of purpose so they’re willing to stay home.

“But that’s not what this president has done,” he said.
bobsal u1553115
 
  6  
Tue 21 Apr, 2020 07:58 am
Trump’s Excuse For Holding Rallies Amid Growing Pandemic: He Can’t Remember Them


The president claims he hasn’t left the White House in months despite holding six campaign rallies in February and March.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-coronavirus-rallies_n_5e9e8172c5b6b2e5b8374dd6

By Josephine Harvey

<snip>

“I don’t know about rallies, I really don’t know about rallies,” Trump said at his press briefing when PBS reporter Yamiche Alcindor mentioned his continued campaign events during the worsening coronavirus pandemic.

“I know one thing, I haven’t left the White House in months, except for a brief moment to give a wonderful ship, the [USNS] Comfort,” he said.

When Alcindor pointed out that he had held a campaign rally on March 3, Trump said: “I don’t know, did I hold a rally? I’m sorry, I hold a rally. Did I hold a rally?”

Trump held five campaign events in February and one in March.

<snip>

The exchange occurred after Alcindor asked Trump to acknowledge whether he believed his downplaying of coronavirus in the early stages of the outbreak had resulted in people getting sick. She cited an interviewee who said they’d attended a funeral in mid-March and their family members fell ill because they were following cues from the president, who wasn’t taking it seriously, wearing a mask or telling people to stay home.

Trump responded to this question by saying: “A lot of people love Trump, right?” He then patted himself on the back for issuing travel restrictions on China on Jan. 31 and declared that “people should say I acted very early.”

<snip>

Yet in late February, Trump labeled the virus a “hoax” during a South Carolina rally. On March 9, when more than 500 people had been diagnosed with COVID-19, he compared coronavirus to the “common flu.”
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revelette3
 
  6  
Tue 21 Apr, 2020 08:10 am
It is just too depressing to keep reading daily Trump's response to the CV-19, every day it is something else horrible, with typical republicans following suit. I just hope that Biden gets elected to at least cut off the head.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Tue 21 Apr, 2020 08:44 am
@revelette3,
The rest of the world is waiting, too.
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snood
 
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Tue 21 Apr, 2020 09:25 am
@livinglava,
livinglava wrote:

In short, it's all partisan. Whatever Trump says, anti-Trump argues against. It is totally mindless reactionism, only they put an amazing amount of mental effort into rationalizing their position so it seems really valid.


All partisan... All?
This seems to say that there are none of Trump’s actions as president that are objectively blunders; none of his pronouncements that are easily provable lies; nothing of his character or habits that are unambiguously objectionable.
This would also mean that the criticism of Trump that comes from lifelong republicans is motivated by a change of their core beliefs to anti-conservative or anti-republican. Because if everything is partisan it surely can’t just be honest critiques from concerned republicans.
bobsal u1553115
 
  3  
Tue 21 Apr, 2020 09:42 am
@livinglava,
Gonna have to do better than that. One of these days you'll really have to do something about your paranoia.

If Trump had only gotten wise to the danger we're facing he might have had a chance to be re-elected.

I prayed he was right about Hydroxychloroquine even though I thought he was foolishly putting his hopes on one yet unproven solution only (coincidentally a solution made by a company he has a financial interest in, one that donated $1.5 mil to Trump through Michael Cohen for "access" to the Oval Office).

He should do whats right, like Barack Obama did even when the opposition excoriated him over ACA which got over 90% of the US on health care; by the way - its three years later where is Trump's "beautiful health care program? Where is the GOP's alternative program? Both dead on arrival it seems. In the meantime they've tried to gut ACA and they have managed to wrest healthcare from millions at exactly the time we need it most.

I'm safer than most people, I have the best health care from one of the biggest socialized single payer programs in the world: the VA (They've spent at least a million dollars on me since 2012). And I and my wife will maintain quarantine until its safe to come out in spite of all the double talk and outright misinformation the so called leader of the western world spits out now and contradicts later. I will not allow him to kill me. You do willy nilly what you think is right.

The US has survived Civil War, Flu Pandemics, World Wars, Depressions, Recessions, bank failures, Financial Panics, Wall Street Meltdowns, all sorts of murderous Asian wars, 'My Mother the Car'. And you are concerned that three years of Trump and four months of Covid19 will erase us from history. AND you want to blame Obama and "liberals". A classic case of cognitive dissonance.

Bubba, you just plain gotta do better than that.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Tue 21 Apr, 2020 09:44 am
@snood,
Isn't it ironic, an admitted partisan accuses everyone else of partisanship?
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snood
 
  4  
Tue 21 Apr, 2020 09:49 am
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

Bubba, you just plain gotta do better than that.


Think he can?
izzythepush
 
  4  
Tue 21 Apr, 2020 09:50 am
@snood,
No, I think he’s at the top of his game as it is.
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coldjoint
 
  -3  
Tue 21 Apr, 2020 09:55 am
@eurocelticyankee,
Quote:
Your friend Kim Jong Un apparently isn't well and needs your support.

Has Trump commented on the subject recently? What he says now would also be relevant.

What are you doing to help your country in this time of crisis?
bobsal u1553115
 
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Tue 21 Apr, 2020 09:56 am
@snood,
Quote:
Think he can?


I think of St Paul on the road to Damascus. I have hope. But no conviction in this case.
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livinglava
 
  -3  
Tue 21 Apr, 2020 10:02 am
@snood,
snood wrote:

All partisan... All?
This seems to say that there are none of Trump’s actions as president that are objectively blunders; none of his pronouncements that are easily provable lies; nothing of his character or habits that are unambiguously objectionable.
This would also mean that the criticism of Trump that comes from lifelong republicans is motivated by a change of their core beliefs to anti-conservative or anti-republican. Because if everything is partisan it surely can’t just be honest critiques from concerned republicans.

The only reason you're concerned with whether blunders are 'objective' is because of anti-Trumpism. The only reason you're concerned with whether there are Republicans criticizing Trump is because you see more power in criticism that seems less biased because it comes from a non-Democrat. Face it, everything has degenerated into anti-Trump tacticism, including every attempt to be unbiased by anti-Trumpism, i.e. because the anti-Trumpists know how biased they look so now they're trying to erase their own paradigm in order to go on fighting against Trump without looking like that is their paradigm.

It's madness and idiocy. The only way out is to start focusing on policy instead of people.
 

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