@livinglava,
I can agree that there is definitely some madness and idiocy involved here.
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:
Gonna have to do better than that. One of these days you'll really have to do something about your paranoia.
Your rhetoric sounds so stupidly 'everyday dudish.' Do you really have to type like that? I.e. are you gonna keep talkin' like that, 'cause one of these days you really gotta do somethin' about tryin' to sound all regular 'n stuff.
Quote:If Trump had only gotten wise to the danger we're facing he might have had a chance to be re-elected.
anti-Trumpism has all but guaranteed his re-election. I suspect it is a ploy by whoever is behind him, Russians and/or otherwise, to provoke so much defensiveness against the anti-Trumpism that they can ensure his re-election.
Quote:I prayed he was right about Hydroxychloroquine even though I thought he was foolishly putting his hopes on one yet unproven solution only (coincidentally a solution made by a company he has a financial interest in, one that donated $1.5 mil to Trump through Michael Cohen for "access" to the Oval Office).
I don't believe you. You are a Trump-hater. You pray for everything he does to go wrong and count against him so you can get a Democrat into office who will repair the global social-capitalist network and re-establish trust in their paymasters abroad.
Quote:He should do whats right, like Barack Obama did even when the opposition excoriated him over ACA which got over 90% of the US on health care; by the way - its three years later where is Trump's "beautiful health care program? Where is the GOP's alternative program? Both dead on arrival it seems. In the meantime they've tried to gut ACA and they have managed to wrest healthcare from millions at exactly the time we need it most.
Every form of insurance drives up the costs of health care. How are you, as an uninsured person, going to compete with an insurance company that drives up health-care costs by collectivizing demand?
And now when you argue that ACA made insurance affordable for everyone, do you really think all the plans available through ACA were equal or affordable? And what about people who didn't qualify for subsidies? What were they supposed to do? Democrats don't like Trump's wall, but what do they think happens when a national health care system drives up prices for non-citizens?
Quote:I'm safer than most people, I have the best health care from one of the biggest socialized single payer programs in the world: the VA (They've spent at least a million dollars on me since 2012). And I and my wife will maintain quarantine until its safe to come out in spite of all the double talk and outright misinformation the so called leader of the western world spits out now and contradicts later. I will not allow him to kill me. You do willy nilly what you think is right.
And there it is: no one who's not a veteran is worth anything unless they get insurance through an employer or can afford it at the high prices driven up by insurance/collective demand. Thank you protecting the republic from socialism before supporting insurance-based socialism to make health care unaffordable for the uninsured.
Quote:The US has survived Civil War, Flu Pandemics, World Wars, Depressions, Recessions, bank failures, Financial Panics, Wall Street Meltdowns, all sorts of murderous Asian wars, 'My Mother the Car'. And you are concerned that three years of Trump and four months of Covid19 will erase us from history. AND you want to blame Obama and "liberals". A classic case of cognitive dissonance.
I've read propagandistic rhetoric with less substance than this, but not much.
Quote:Bubba, you just plain gotta do better than that.
'Bubba?' Dawg, wuz up? Why you gotta do me like this with all this street talk? I know you can write right, so why you do that?
@livinglava,
livinglava wrote:The only way out is to start focusing on policy instead of people.
Oh . . . I see . . . so you're opposed to the re-election of Plump, eh?
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:
Oh . . . I see . . . so you're opposed to the re-election of Plump, eh?
I'm opposed to any Democrat holding the presidency until the party as a whole changes its strategy to be more respectful of dissent and cooperative with other parties/views.
I am quite tired of seeing the Democrats abuse their power to ignore, circumvent, oust, or otherwise undermine the Republican perspective in politics because they simply don't want it to exist.
The Democrats do not and should not hold a monopoly on ideology or government, so all their tactics that are geared toward reducing obstruction of them controlling government are wrongheaded and a subversion of fundamental democratic principles.
This all started when the GOP took the house during Obama II and instead of working with them, the executive branch just started using executive orders to work around their dissent.
They were supposed to work together to refine Obama's green progressivism with conservative fiscal budgeting. In other words, continue reforming energy and infrastructure for sustainability, but get the price down to assure fiscal hawks that the point is the reforms and not just to spread money around and create contracts, jobs, and growth.
Quickly we found out that they didn't want to do anything unless the underlying goal was feeding more money to stock markets and unions, so the whole thing derailed and now they're still fighting to eliminate fiscal-hawk obstruction to what turns out to be nothing more than a big-growth agenda that uses sustainability reform as an impetus/excuse for big spending.
@livinglava,
Just more of your crap and insults. Back to ignoring you.
No debate just nasty little knows. I will not waste my writing skills good bad and indifferent on someone seems incapable of honest debate.
Quote:The Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee backed the Intelligence Community’s handling of its assessment, under President Obama, that Russia interfered with the 2016 election with the aim of boosting then-candidate Donald Trump.
The committee released a highly-redacted report on its review of that assessment Tuesday. The review found that the assessment, assembled at the end of the Obama administration, was a “sound intelligence product” and that the committee was consistently told that the intelligence community analysts “were under no politically motivated pressure to reach specific conclusions.”
TPM
Clearly the Deep State now includes Senate Republicans. Very tricksy.
@coldjoint,
Would you please inform the President, Devin Nunes, Devon Nune's Cow, Rush Limpbaugh, Fox, Hannity etc. They somehow did not get the memo.
Quote:A malaria drug widely touted by President Donald Trump for treating the new coronavirus showed no benefit in a large analysis of its use in U.S. veterans hospitals. There were more deaths among those given hydroxychloroquine versus standard care, researchers reported.
The nationwide study was not a rigorous experiment. But with 368 patients, it’s the largest look so far of hydroxychloroquine with or without the antibiotic azithromycin for COVID-19, which has killed more than 171,000 people as of Tuesday.
AP
Trump and Fox recently seeming to forget their prior zest for this wonder "treatment". Another two weeks and they'll claim it was a Democrat Party idea.
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:
Just more of your crap and insults. Back to ignoring you.
No debate just nasty little knows. I will not waste my writing skills good bad and indifferent on someone seems incapable of honest debate.
Firing sound-bites is not 'honest' debate or anything else.
I would love it if you (or anyone else for that matter) would actually discuss anything instead of just dropping tactical anti-Trump soundbites.
Here's a tip to start: stop caring about who gets elected and just discuss issues for the sake of discussion.
For the dishonest debater re: Hydroxychloroquine payoff and stake in producer.
Major Producer of Hydroxychloroquine Once Paid Michael Cohen Hefty Sum for Access to Trump
Jerry Lambe
4/6/2020
President Donald Trump on Sunday once again touted the potential life-saving benefits of treating coronavirus patients with hydroxychloroquine, a powerful anti-malaria drug, despite a dearth of medical professionals or clinical evidence supporting his claims. It just so happens that one of the largest manufacturers of the drug, Novartis, previously paid Trump’s now-incarcerated former personal attorney Michael Cohen more than $1 million for healthcare policy insight following Trump’s election in 2016.
The Swiss drug maker signed a contract that paid Cohen’s newly formed limited-liability corporation Essential Consultants $100,000 per month in February of 2017. After details of the deal were leaked by the now-jailed Michael Avenatti, whose then-client Stormy Daniels was engaged in a legal dispute with the president, the company’s CEO issued a public apology saying Novartis “made a mistake” in contracting with the president’s personal attorney.
Fast forward a few years and Cohen is currently in federal prison serving a three-year sentence for campaign finance violations, tax fraud, and bank fraud. Novartis, on the other hand, just agreed to donate up to 130 million doses of the unproven drug to help fight COVID-19.
Interest in the decades-old drug spiked in March following anecdotal evidence that doctors in Europe and China had seen some success using hydroxychloroquine to treat coronavirus patients. The president immediately hailed the drug as having “a real chance to be one of the biggest game changers in the history of medicine.”
HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE & AZITHROMYCIN, taken together, have a real chance to be one of the biggest game changers in the history of medicine. The FDA has moved mountains – Thank You! Hopefully they will BOTH (H works better with A, International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents)…..
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 21, 2020
The president and his acolytes have continued to push the drug, contradicting the vast majority of medical professionals and, at times, making outright false statements about the drug being approved for coronavirus patients. After erroneously claiming last month that the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) had green-lit hydroxychloroquine treatment, the president doubled-down on that claim Sunday.
“As you know, they’ve approved it, they gave it a rapid approval,” Trump said.
In fact, the FDA merely issued a limited Emergency Use Authorization to distribute the drug from the national stockpile and explicitly stated that “Chloroquine phosphate and hydroxychloroquine sulfate are not FDA-approved for treatment of COVID-19.”
President Donald Trump speaks during a coronavirus task force briefing at the White House, Sunday, April 5, 2020, in Washington. (AP Photo/Patrick Semansky) © ASSOCIATED PRESS President Donald Trump speaks during a coronavirus task force briefing at the White House, Sunday, April 5, 2020, in Washington. (AP Photo/Patrick Semansky)
Debate over the efficacy of the drug also reportedly led to a heated conflict over the weekend between Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, and the president’s trade advisor Peter Navarro (a.k.a Ron Vara).
Says Donald Trump "himself has a financial stake in the French company that makes the brand-name version of hydroxychloroquine.”
true half-true
Facebook fact-checks Coronavirus Facebook posts
President Donald Trump speaks about the coronavirus in the James Brady Press Briefing Room of the White House on April 8, 2020, in Washington. (AP) President Donald Trump speaks about the coronavirus in the James Brady Press Briefing Room of the White House on April 8, 2020, in Washington. (AP)
President Donald Trump speaks about the coronavirus in the James Brady Press Briefing Room of the White House on April 8, 2020, in Washington. (AP)
Daniel Funke
By Daniel Funke April 9, 2020
Trump has a tiny financial stake in a company that manufactures hydroxychloroquine
Trump has a small stake through a mutual fund in Sanofi, a French company that makes hydroxychloroquine.
The president’s holdings in Sanofi are valued at up to $1,500, meaning he would not stand to profit much from the company’s stock performance.
Experts told us that Trump’s holdings do not violate federal conflict of interest laws.
See the sources for this fact-check
Some Facebook users think President Donald Trump’s recent interest in a lupus and arthritis drug goes beyond its potential to treat COVID-19.
"Trump himself has a financial stake in the French company that makes the brand-name version of hydroxychloroquine," reads one post published April 7.
The image, which is a screenshot of a tweet from Ian Sams, the former national press secretary for Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., was shared in a group for "center left pragmatic progressives" called The 47ers. It was flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed. (Read more about our partnership with Facebook.)
In the past few weeks, Trump has touted the potential of chloroquine and the related drug hydroxychloroquine in treating COVID-19. There is some preliminary evidence that the drugs could be effective in treating the coronavirus, but more rigorous tests have not been completed. There is currently no Food and Drug Administration-approved treatment for COVID-19.
We’ve previously reported on alleged financial ties between the Trump administration and hydroxychloroquine manufacturers, so we wanted to look into this claim, too.
Trump does have a small financial stake in a French company that makes hydroxychloroquine. But the implication of the post, that Trump could stand to profit from that stake, is misleading.
The New York Times reported on April 6 that the president has a personal financial interest in Sanofi, a French company that makes hydroxychloroquine, through a mutual fund from a firm called Dodge & Cox. At 3.3%, Sanofi is the largest holding of the firm’s International Stock Fund.
But Trump’s stake in that fund is rather small.
Small, like his hands and "mushroom". Imagine what the value of that small stake would be worth if 'quiline worked and the whole world had to eat it to reamin free of Covid19, like people do who have malaria?
What's Kushner's stake? What's Bevis and Butthead Jr's stake?
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:
For the dishonest debater re: Hydroxychloroquine payoff and stake in producer.
Major Producer of Hydroxychloroquine Once Paid Michael Cohen Hefty Sum for Access to Trump
You post this as anti-Trump ammunition, but did you read it said the FDA approved the drug(s), and not only did they approve it, they sped up the process?
Instead of focusing on Trump, you should pay attention to what else goes on.
Then you can have actual 'honest' discussions instead of having anti-Trumpism as the underlying agenda in everything you post, say, and/or think.
@coldjoint,
Quote:Has Trump commented on the subject recently? What he says now would also be relevant.
What are you doing to help your country in this time of crisis?
First off I'm a Republican, a real Republican, an Irish Republican, not what passes for a Republican in America these days.
The thoughts of putting a wannabe dictator into power disgusts me.
It would be like me bowing to the Windsors (the firm).
To worship some wannabe omnipotent leader (and his ******* awful family) goes against every Republican value i have.
You're not Republicans, you're more like Royalists and you've made Trump your King.
