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hightor
 
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Sun 19 Apr, 2020 10:55 am
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Why hasn't this country banned cars yet?

Maybe the person who asked this question doesn't realize that traffic safety laws, highway engineering, and continual improvement in automobile design have made significant steps in reducing fatalities on the road. It's not as if we just accept that 40,000 people will die in car accidents. Why should we just accept 40,000+ deaths a year due to disease?

Of course it's equally likely that the person who asked this question is just a troll.
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layman
 
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Sun 19 Apr, 2020 10:58 am
Another import, just so alla yawl know:

Quote:
Coronavirus antibody testing finds Bay Area infections may be 85 times higher than reported

A team of researchers in California found that the number of coronaviruses cases in one county may actually be up to 85 times higher than the what health officials have tallied, and say their data may help better estimate the virus’ true fatality rate.

“Our data imply that, by April 1 (three days prior to the end of our survey) between 48,000 and 81,000 people had been infected in Santa Clara County. The reported number of confirmed positive cases in the county on April 1 was 956, 50-85-fold lower than the number of infectious predicted by this study.”

“This probably aligns with what overall national exposure may be, on order of about 5 percent once we do wide serology,” he tweeted on Friday. “Santa Clara was a hot spot and I would have expected exposure to be higher. Overall we’re probably diagnosing 1 in 10 to 1 in 20 infections.”



This aint the first study to suggest that the true mortality rate of the Kung Flu is about the same as the common seasonal flu which has been around forever.

But, hey, **** them liars. As I've said all along:

We're all gunna die, I tells ya!
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layman
 
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Sun 19 Apr, 2020 11:00 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Quote:
Why hasn't this country banned cars yet?

Maybe the person who asked this question doesn't realize that traffic safety laws, highway engineering, and continual improvement in automobile design have made significant steps in reducing fatalities on the road.


That aint the question. WHY, OH, WHY, haven't we banned cars complelely and saved 40,000 lives!?

WHY?
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coldjoint
 
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Sun 19 Apr, 2020 11:01 am
@Walter Hinteler,
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Today in Germany, extreme right-wingers and vaccination opponents demonstrated as well

I do not see any violence on their part.
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layman
 
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Sun 19 Apr, 2020 11:05 am
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
Charlottesville was an exception to the rule. [/color]

Not really. City officials in Charlotteville were bussing in well-armed antifa from all over the country.

The wouldn't allow the protesters to leave the park, but instead marched them into a crowd of left-wing fanatics who promptly surrounded and attacked them, while the cops watched and refused to intervene. It was a premeditated ambush.
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Setanta
 
  3  
Sun 19 Apr, 2020 11:06 am
@hightor,
Of course, a glaring distinction is that people choose to buy and operate motor vehicles, and choose to operate them while intoxicated. I feel on safe ground asserting that people don't choose to contract debilitating diseases.
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coldjoint
 
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Sun 19 Apr, 2020 11:07 am
@hightor,
Quote:

Of course it's equally likely that the person who asked this question is just a troll.

It is also equally likely you disagree with what he says, and that is about it.
neptuneblue
 
  4  
Sun 19 Apr, 2020 11:19 am
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
or the damage in Ferguson and Baltimore. All Left wing inspired violence.


That is very misleading. It's not an equivalent to say left wing inspired violence. It's a disgrace and de-values human life.
hightor
 
  4  
Sun 19 Apr, 2020 11:20 am
No Fight Over Red Ink Now, but Virus Spending Will Force Tough Choices

The surge of deficit spending to “never-before-seen levels” is viewed as necessary, but dangerous for the future.

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The deficit hawks have had their wings clipped.

No one wants to hear alarms raised about the dangers of staggering government spending during a monstrous threat to public health and the economy. Any such concerns have been silenced and set aside as the federal government throws open the spigots in an unstinting effort to protect both American lives and the nation’s financial underpinnings.

“It hasn’t been a prominent topic of conversation, I think it is fair to say,” conceded Senator Patrick J. Toomey, Republican of Pennsylvania and a longtime fiscal conservative, about the potential hazards of compounding an already spiraling federal deficit in response to a crippling pandemic.

Like others who have long preached fiscal discipline, often to no avail, Mr. Toomey said he saw no alternative to the costly push by the federal government to try to mitigate the coronavirus outbreak. But he and like-minded fiscal watchdogs remain deeply worried about the inevitable consequences of the historic outpouring of cash from a government that was already deeply in the red.

Just last month, Congress allocated and President Trump signed into law a series of bills that spent an estimated $2.6 trillion — the equivalent of twice the annual discretionary federal budget. And that does not take into account the certainty of much more spending on the way, including the $250 billion currently teed up to replenish a small-businesses aid program and hundreds of billions of dollars more sought for hospitals, states and cities. Something will eventually have to give.

“I accept the fact that this is an emergency,” said G. William Hoagland, the former top budget expert for Senate Republicans. “My problem is, we should have been fixing the roof when the sun was shining. But we didn’t.”

Mr. Hoagland, who is on the board of the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, was referring to the period before the outbreak, when the economy was booming and the deficit was already projected to skyrocket to an estimated $1 trillion for 2020. President Trump — who once branded himself the “king of debt,” referring to his big-borrowing ways as a real estate developer — pledged during his 2016 campaign to eliminate the deficit. Yet under his watch, the opposite happened.

The more than $1.5 trillion in tax cuts that Mr. Trump enacted with the help of congressional Republicans in 2017 were not paying for themselves as promised. And deals negotiated between congressional Republicans and Democrats that traded increases in military spending for added domestic dollars boosted the deficit as well. Republican concerns about deficit spending — once an animating force of the party — seemed to have evaporated when President Obama left the White House.

Then came the pandemic, and any flimsy barriers to spending that remained were demolished in an instant. Even Maya MacGuineas, the president of the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, known for the scathing statements she routinely releases about legislation that ignores the deficit, conceded in a letter last month that, “now is not the time to worry about near-term deficits.” But she also warned that the issue would have to be addressed once the crisis abated.

A new report compiled by the organization asserted that “a large share of today’s massive deficits are both inevitable and necessary in light of the current pandemic crisis,” but it contained some eye-popping figures.

The nonpartisan committee projected that under the emergency legislation already passed and economic fallout from the pandemic, the annual budget deficit would quadruple and reach more than $3.8 trillion this year, while the accumulated federal debt — projected to be about $24 trillion — would exceed the size of the entire United States economy by Oct. 1. Interest on the debt could reach the level of federal spending outside of defense.

These “never-before-seen levels” of deficit and debt would put the country on a debt trajectory it has not experienced since World War II, the group said. And that is if things go well and the economy bounces back quickly — a fairly uncertain prospect. No matter which way things go, the report warned, “At some point such high and rising deficits and debt levels will prove unsustainable, and corrective action will be needed.”

In other words, the bill will come due, as it always does.

“Long-term, this is going to have enormous implications,” said Kent Conrad, the former Democratic senator from North Dakota and chairman of the Senate Budget Committee. “It is going to make budgeting in the future extraordinarily difficult.”

And it is quickly becoming apparent that the future, in some cases, is not far off. Governors who don’t have the luxury of deficit spending have already announced budget cuts, eliminating services and readjusting their priorities to account for shortfalls caused by the pandemic response. At the same time, lawmakers on Capitol Hill have pressed for more federal aid to flow to state and local governments, adding to the deficit spending by Washington.

The pandemic response will amplify the push and pull that has long shaped the fiscal wars, between those who argue that the answer to deficits is to reduce spending and those insisting that the solution is new revenue streams. Complicating the situation, each side will suspect the other is using the crisis to advance their own policy agendas, as either an excuse to raise taxes or a justification to squeeze spending on programs they already didn’t like.

To Mr. Hoagland, the answer is clear, particularly since demand for economic aid for both individuals and businesses is not likely to dissipate any time soon, with some calling for elements of the rescue package to be made permanent. He is already throwing around the “R” word.

“We are just going to have to belly up to the bar and admit there is going to have to be more revenue,” said Mr. Hoagland, who raised the possibility of a carbon tax as one avenue to generate new federal income. “We have to start paying for this in the current world, and not just throwing it off onto the future generations.”

To Mr. Toomey, a tax increase would be the worst possible response.

“That would be a very bad idea,” he said, adding that trying to fight the deficit with a tax increase “will crater the economy and postpone the recovery for I don’t know long.’’ His idea going forward would be to take steps to eventually constrain spending and simultaneously spur growth that could outpace the debt — a strategy that might be easier said than done.

The spending surge has implications beyond the usual deficit tug of war. It could prompt inflation, and it also leaves the nation far less prepared in the event of another emergency. The fiscal situation further endangers the nation’s health and retirement guarantees — already facing a grim financial outlook, with insolvency projected over the next two decades if nothing is done — and limits the ability to spend on other programs that have been on hold.

“Once we get beyond this disaster, some very hard choices will have to be made, or you will have a federal government that is simply crippled in terms of being able to respond to crisis — whether it is a coronavirus or a natural disaster or a military conflict or economic downturn,” warned Mr. Conrad.

But those concerns have been pushed deep into the background at the moment by the urgent need for a federal spending onslaught against the spread of Covid-19. Lawmakers know that, particularly with an election just months away, deficits cannot be a roadblock to recovery.

There is no choice now, but tough decisions are ahead.

nyt
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coldjoint
 
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Sun 19 Apr, 2020 11:25 am
Quote:
NEW: Early results from coronavirus antibody tests in general population

Quote:
According to a preprint scientific paper on a part of the study conducted in Santa Clara, California, the population prevalence of COVID-19 in Santa Clara ranged from 2.49% to 4.16%.

That works out to a range of an estimated 48,000 to 81,000 people infected in Santa Clara County by early April. Those numbers are 50-85-fold more than the number of confirmed cases.

The scientists of the study say the population prevalence of Covid-19 (SARS-CoV-2) antibodies in Santa Clara County implies that the infection is “much more widespread than indicated by the number of confirmed cases.”

Coronavirus in Santa Clara County, California is “much more widespread than indicated by the number of confirmed cases.”
Study scientists

That make the true death rate, at least in Santa Clara, significantly lower than earlier publicized figures.


The MSM is keeping the fear fresh and the panic going. The facts will eventually prove this is an overreaction now being used against Trump by Left leaning ghouls.
https://sharylattkisson.com/2020/04/new-early-results-from-coronavirus-antibody-tests-in-general-population/
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livinglava
 
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Sun 19 Apr, 2020 11:26 am
@layman,
layman wrote:

Quote:
We have to lockdown to protect all the people who have become vulnerable to COVID19 because they don't get enough exercise and normal pathogen exposure for their immune systems to function well.


Uhh, no, we don't HAVE to do that.

Don't you understand these lockdowns and social-distancing are not to protect healthy people who are capable of dealing with the virus with their own immune systems?

It is to prevent the virus spreading to all the people who are severely vulnerable to infection due to the fact that their health and immune systems are not up to dealing with the disease and surviving.

Lots of people don't care about anyone but themselves so they think, "I'm healthy and so I can catch COVID19 and survive it" but if people are all out transmitting the virus, then the germs find their way to other people who are going to die if they get infected.

So we're trying to protect the people who are vulnerable to the virus by preventing it from spreading among the people who are not too vulnerable to it.
layman
 
  -3  
Sun 19 Apr, 2020 11:27 am
@hightor,
Quote:
Trump — who once branded himself the “king of debt,”


That's right, and, being a businessman, Trump knows how to eliminate all debt, too.

He'll just declare the USA bankrupt and stiff all our creditors. It's purty simple, actually.

At the very least we will stiff China, which is our largest creditor.
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layman
 
  -3  
Sun 19 Apr, 2020 11:29 am
@livinglava,
Quote:
So we're trying to protect the people who are vulnerable to the virus by preventing it from spread among the people who are not too vulnerable to it.


Then quarantine their sorry ass, not mine.
layman
 
  -2  
Sun 19 Apr, 2020 11:33 am
@layman,
If old people can't pass an eye test, we don't issue them a driver's license. We don't revoke everyone else's to prevent the blind-ass mofos from running into someone, know what I'm sayin?

We just prevent them from intermingling with competent drivers, that's all.
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Setanta
 
  3  
Sun 19 Apr, 2020 11:42 am
@neptuneblue,
It's racist, too--as though blacks only object to being casually shot down by police officers because of someone's propaganda.
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layman
 
  -3  
Sun 19 Apr, 2020 11:44 am
If we really want to paternalisticly intervene and prolong the lives of weak-ass people for a few months or years, then I would suggest rounding up every citizen over 70 and shipping them all to some desolated island, with them paying the costs, of course.

It would be for their own damn good. That's how much we care.

Kinda like we did with the Japs during WWII to protect them from being victims of hate crimes, ya know?
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layman
 
  -3  
Sun 19 Apr, 2020 12:09 pm
Maybe they should have asked Kevin Trenberth, lead author for the IPCC, about "models," eh? He knew.

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In fact there are no predictions by IPCC at all. And there never have been. The IPCC instead proffers “what if” projections of future climate that correspond to certain emissions scenarios..

There are a number of assumptions that go into these emissions scenarios. They are intended to cover a range of possible self consistent “story lines.

But they do not consider many things like the recovery of the ozone layer, for instance, or observed trends in forcing agents."

There is no estimate, even probabilistically, as to the likelihood of any emissions scenario and no best guess.

None of the models used by IPCC are initialized to the observed state and none of the climate states in the models correspond even remotely to the current observed climate.


http://blogs.nature.com/climatefeedback/2007/06/predictions_of_climate.html
 

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