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Walter Hinteler
 
  4  
Thu 19 Mar, 2020 02:20 pm
@Builder,
Builder wrote:
Boris Johnson is going for the "herd immunity" approach, meaning he's willing to sacrifice a lot of elderly lives, to achieve a result, much like they're doing in Italy.
Italy never did so, quite the opposite!
Johnson changed this approach a couple of days ago.
The Netherlands, the other European doing so, changed it today, most probably under pressure from general public who did not want to be guinea pigs
Builder
 
  -3  
Thu 19 Mar, 2020 02:29 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Well, there you go, Walter. I've switched off the telly, because I'm literally sick to death of all the BS.

I'll share what's happening down under, through a rather Ocker appraisal of the current status here.

Watch to the end, where he gets to the point.

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ehBeth
 
  2  
Thu 19 Mar, 2020 02:37 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
I'd like to know what they did in Norway that was so different, as they're getting much better results so far. However they handled social distancing seems to have been good.

Our mayor went pretty hardcore, comparatively early and it seems (crossing fingers) to have helped - as much as I fussed about the school and facility closures.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Thu 19 Mar, 2020 02:42 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:
I'd like to know what they did in Norway that was so different, as they're getting much better results so far.
Norway is all but closed for two weeks. Until Thursday 26 March, all schools and universities are closed, most bars and restaurants will not be permitted to open unless they can guarantee social distancing, many businesses will be forced to close their doors, and anyone who has travelled abroad faces a compulsory 14-day home quarantine.

Actually, that's the same as is done here as well ... since this week.
We will get a real curfew soon, I think - my state, still waiting, is still counting on citizens' insight.
hightor
 
  6  
Thu 19 Mar, 2020 03:10 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
"Trump keeps saying ‘nobody’ could have foreseen coronavirus."

Before Virus Outbreak, a Cascade of Warnings Went Unheeded

Government exercises, including one last year, made clear that the U.S. was not ready for a pandemic like the coronavirus. But little was done.

Quote:
WASHINGTON — The outbreak of the respiratory virus began in China and was quickly spread around the world by air travelers, who ran high fevers. In the United States, it was first detected in Chicago, and 47 days later, the World Health Organization declared a pandemic. By then it was too late: 110 million Americans were expected to become ill, leading to 7.7 million hospitalized and 586,000 dead.

That scenario, code-named “Crimson Contagion,” was simulated by the Trump administration’s Department of Health and Human Services in a series of exercises that ran from last January to August.

The simulation’s sobering results — contained in a draft report dated October 2019 that has not previously been reported — drove home just how underfunded, underprepared and uncoordinated the federal government would be for a life-or-death battle with a virus for which no treatment existed.

The draft report, marked “not to be disclosed,” laid out in stark detail repeated cases of “confusion” in the exercise. Federal agencies jockeyed over who was in charge. State officials and hospitals struggled to figure out what kind of equipment was stockpiled or available. Cities and states went their own ways on school closings.

Many of the potentially deadly consequences of a failure to address the shortcomings are now playing out in all-too-real fashion across the country. And it was hardly the first warning for the nation’s leaders. Three times over the past four years the U.S. government, across two administrations, had grappled in depth with what a pandemic would look like, identifying likely shortcomings and in some cases recommending specific action.

(...)

“Nobody ever thought of numbers like this,’’ Mr. Trump said on Wednesday, at a news conference.

In fact, they had.

(...)

nyt

Well, you really have to excuse Trump — he promised to build a wall. He never promised to respond to a pandemic.
izzythepush
 
  1  
Thu 19 Mar, 2020 03:13 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
The elderly are the ones who voted for Johnson, he's not going to sacrifice them.
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Builder
 
  -2  
Thu 19 Mar, 2020 03:27 pm
Despite Trump’s decisive actions early in the coronavirus outbreak (which experts agree saved lives) there seems to be a coordinated effort by the left and the media to undermine Trump during the crisis, and perpetuate the false narrative that the Trump administration is botching the response and that Trump is not taking the outbreak seriously.

It’s strikingly different from what happened during the 2009 H1N1 pandemic, when the media was determined to present Barack Obama glowingly, especially in the middle of a recession.

In retrospect, it seems the media was determined to prevent widespread panic, even as the H1N1 virus spread, and Obama faced criticism for failing to take common-sense measures to slow down the spread.

When the pandemic was over, in the United States alone there were over 60 million cases of H1N1, 274,304 hospitalizations, and 12,469 deaths due to H1N1. Not once during the pandemic did Obama impose any travel bans. Schools didn’t shut down en masse, your favorite sports leagues didn’t cancel their seasons, concerts weren’t postponed, bars and restaurants weren’t shut down.

In retrospect, the Obama administration didn’t take the threat seriously enough to make the tough decisions to reduce the rate of infection, and the media didn’t make it their cause to undermine him and create panic. In fact, they did the exact opposite. Here’s what the New York Times reported at the time:

source
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ehBeth
 
  2  
Thu 19 Mar, 2020 03:30 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
hunh. well, then we might be ok since our rules (locally) were already tougher than Norway's a while back. just wish we had closed border with US earlier
Brand X
 
  1  
Thu 19 Mar, 2020 03:56 pm
@revelette3,
Is what the virus is called really high on peoples list of concerns given it kills people? Seems silly to do headline it.

More importantly, think back of all the things the left was saying about Russia just a few months ago which caused mass tension between the two countries, it's happening with China now, and beginning with the trade war in 2019, from the right. It's not smart.

'More than two years ago I wrote an article titled “Russiagate Isn’t About Trump, And It Isn’t Even Ultimately About Russia”, about how all these Russia escalations (and the propaganda used to justify them) are ultimately not really about Russia at all, but China. Here’s an excerpt:
This is what Russiagate is ultimately about. Democrats think it’s about impeaching Trump and protecting the world from a nigh-omnipotent supervillain in Vladimir Putin, Trump’s supporters think it’s a “deep state coup” to try and oust their president, but in reality this has nothing to do with Trump, and ultimately not a whole lot to do with Russia either. When all is said and done, Russiagate is about China.
In an essay titled “Russia-China Tandem Changes the World”, US-Russia relations analyst Gilbert Doctorow explains how the surging economic power China depends upon Russia’s willingness to go head-to-head with America and its extensive experience with US attempts to undermine the USSR during the Cold War. Alone both nations are very vulnerable, but together their strengths are complementary in a way that poses a direct threat to America’s self-appointed role as world leader.
And now we’re seeing one of America’s two mainstream factions cheerleading for increased hostility toward America’s primary rival, while the other faction cheerleads for increased hostility against that rival’s right arm. This two-pronged propaganda campaign has enabled the establishment via the Trump administration to escalate tensions not just with China but with Russia as well.'

https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/liberal-npcs-hate-russia-conservative-npcs-hate-china-9b4ac2f853

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Brand X
 
  1  
Thu 19 Mar, 2020 04:03 pm
Yamiche Alcindor
@Yamiche
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Soon after he offered public assurances that the government was ready to battle coronavirus, Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Richard Burr sold off between $582,029 and $1.56 million of his holdings on Feb. 13 in 29 separate transactions.
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coldjoint
 
  -2  
Thu 19 Mar, 2020 04:25 pm
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
Face it, trump has fucked up. Such incompetence does not deserve four more years.

There is no incompetence. There are people saying there is incompetence. There are also some people bright enough to know the difference. Apparently you are not one of them.
blatham
 
  2  
Thu 19 Mar, 2020 04:27 pm
Quote:
Soon after he offered public assurances that the government was ready to battle the coronavirus, the powerful chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Richard Burr, sold off a significant percentage of his stocks, unloading between $582,029 and $1.56 million of his holdings on Feb. 13 in 29 separate transactions.

As the head of the intelligence committee, Burr, a North Carolina Republican, has access to the government’s most highly classified information about threats to America’s security. His committee was receiving daily coronavirus briefings around this time, according to a Reuters story.

A week after Burr’s sales, the stock market began a sharp decline and has lost about 30% since.
TPM

What good is it to be privy to intelligence if you can't add to or protect your investments?
Brand X
 
  1  
Thu 19 Mar, 2020 04:33 pm
@coldjoint,
Not only is he massively incompetent, he's massively incapable.

roger
 
  1  
Thu 19 Mar, 2020 04:34 pm
@ehBeth,
Prolly held off, thinking we were going pay for it.
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coldjoint
 
  -2  
Thu 19 Mar, 2020 04:38 pm
@Brand X,
Quote:
Not only is he massively incompetent, he's massively incapable.

Specific and proven examples please.
Builder
 
  -1  
Thu 19 Mar, 2020 05:01 pm
@coldjoint,
Quote:
Specific and proven examples please.


If they were even slightly honest with themselves (is that ever possible?), they'd know their only real evidence, is the hot air they continually blow up eachother's kyhber passes.

Couple that with a proven-to-be-biased concerted leftist media propaganda campaign, and that's all they think they need.
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snood
 
  2  
Thu 19 Mar, 2020 05:13 pm
Trump in 7 words:

Overpromise. Underdeliver.
Take credit. Shift blame.
Lie.
Brand X
 
  1  
Thu 19 Mar, 2020 05:18 pm
There isn't a curve to flatten yet.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETgI8_UX0AI1Qwx?format=jpg&name=large
livinglava
 
  -1  
Thu 19 Mar, 2020 05:33 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

"Trump keeps saying ‘nobody’ could have foreseen coronavirus."

Before Virus Outbreak, a Cascade of Warnings Went Unheeded

If Trump would have been talking about minimizing the impact of a potential pandemic by closing borders, etc. before COVID19 actually showed up on the radar, he would have been accused of making up rationalizations to justify policies.
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Thu 19 Mar, 2020 05:35 pm
@snood,
Quote:
Overpromise. Underdeliver.
Take credit. Shift blame.
Lie.

What politician do those words not apply to? Any names?
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