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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
blatham
 
  1  
Tue 25 Feb, 2020 05:50 pm
@Sturgis,
I suspect he does have a good idea of the severity of the situation. Reporting from inside the WH says he is very concerned about the possible consequences for his re-election.

But he's playing the same game as Fox and Limbaugh - pretending there's no problem. And they are pretending this precisely because of fears of electoral consequences.

A real possibility is that this will come back to haunt them in a big way and in exactly the manner they fear. If the virus does grow into a significant pandemic and they are seen to have been lying (while screwing up in readiness) that's going to hurt them. And it sure as hell should.

Edit: I'll add one other point. Trump's fears, as reported, are that the economy will be damaged and that this will effect his electoral chances. To the degree that would be the case, he bears a unique responsibility for that equation voters might make because he has been lying through his teeth all along regarding his responsibility for the recovery of the economy that began as Bush transitioned to the Obama administration.

And another related matter. We all recall how insane right wing media and politicos became when Obama rescued the auto industry. Already now, monies the administration has spent on US farmers is double what was spent for Detroit. And of course not a ******* peep from the right.

Did I ever mention that I hate these bastards.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Tue 25 Feb, 2020 05:53 pm
@blatham,
When faced with a pandemic, the only thing that progressives can think about is how they can use it to harm people who disagree with them.
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Tue 25 Feb, 2020 05:58 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
If the virus does grow into a significant pandemic and they are seen to have been lying (while screwing up in readiness) that's going to hurt them. And it sure as hell should.

Oh! the drama. Go wash your hands.
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Tue 25 Feb, 2020 07:27 pm
Instead of bashing Trump look at what he is working with.
Quote:
World’s doctor gives WHO a headache

From Jan. 2018. This guy is still in charge. It is a joke much like the UN.
Quote:
The former Ethiopian health minister turned heads with his appointment of Zimbabwean dictator Robert Mugabe as a goodwill ambassador in October. Meanwhile, behind the scenes, Tedros — as he prefers to be called by Ethiopian tradition — was eschewing the normal hiring process for U.N. agencies, looking to increase gender and geographical diversity as quickly as possible. That's unsettled some in the Geneva headquarters and the constellation of activists and researchers who work with WHO, who fear an overly political approach is bringing a culture change at the cost of credibility.

https://www.politico.eu/article/tedros-adhanom-ghebreyesus-gives-who-a-headache/
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coldjoint
 
  0  
Tue 25 Feb, 2020 07:29 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
Did I ever mention that I hate these bastards.

You do not have to mention hate. It comes with you.
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MontereyJack
 
  4  
Wed 26 Feb, 2020 03:22 am
@coldjoint,
will you eat your words when coronavirus really hits here?
MontereyJack
 
  4  
Wed 26 Feb, 2020 03:25 am
@oralloy,
that's why it's imperative trump is voted out and some sanity returned to government after 3 years absence.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Wed 26 Feb, 2020 04:32 am
https://cdn.creators.com/210/245332/245332_image.jpg
Uh oh. That AOC character opened her mouth again....

A couple months ago in New York City, a group of 13 and 14 year old black kids stabbed a college freshman to death:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Tessa_Majors

AOC now thinks that it's just terrible how those poor black kids have been victimized, and she's not sure that they should be incarcerated:
https://www.pix11.com/news/local-news/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-says-tessa-majors-murder-case-is-a-tragedy-on-multiple-levels
https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-aoc-tessa-majors-20200222-s7gurefgsre4nbj2om27nzzjua-story.html

Perhaps the BLM goons are branching out? Now in addition to wanting to murder police officers with impunity, they also want to chop up young women?

Someone should get the BLM goons in touch with Rudy Guede. He's right up their ally.

Keep Guede in Italy though. Don't bring him here. If BLM goons want to join Guede in chopping up college girls, they should leave the US and go do it in Italy. We don't go for that sort of thing here in the US.
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izzythepush
 
  3  
Wed 26 Feb, 2020 05:13 am
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Two decades after its invasion of Afghanistan, the United States has come to the inevitable conclusion that it must end its military intervention there.

Unable to win against the Taliban insurgency, Washington has finally given up on a military solution and embraced negotiations, dictated largely by those it long deemed terrorist fundamentalist killers "swathed in American blood".

The decision has been a long time coming, but successive US administrations have persistently avoided it, insisting that the US was "making progress", if not outright winning.

The secret documents dubbed the "Afghanistan Papers" released last year revealed a long-standing official policy of deliberately deceiving the American public into thinking everything was fine on the war front when in fact nothing was.

Just like the 1971 "Pentagon Papers" about the war in Vietnam, the new revelations made it clear that this was also an unwinnable war and that it was only a matter of time before the US pulled out.

In this context, the deal reached with the Taliban in Doha this month may soften the blow, but the compromises are no less humbling for the US and quite unsettling for its Afghan allies.

It took the US and its allies only two months to "liberate" Kabul from the grip of the Taliban and less than two years for the then-Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to declare at a May 1, 2003, news conference in Kabul that "major combat activity" was over.

This was the same day President George W Bush proclaimed rather bombastically that the war in Iraq was "mission accomplished".

The US did disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, at least militarily, and in 2011 killed its leader Osama bin Laden, but all subsequent military surges and strategies failed to crush or contain the Taliban.

Instead of declaring victory against al-Qaeda and calling it a day, considering that the Taliban took no part in the 9/11 attacks on New York and Washington, the US persisted in its war efforts.

But Afghanistan like Iraq soon turned into a huge quagmire for the US-led coalition. Its tough terrain, tribalism, and the tenacious Taliban, all made it impossible to win the war.

Indeed, the Taliban grew even stronger and deadlier in the second decade of the conflict, exacting a heavy price on the Americans, their coalition and their Afghan allies.

After 18 years of war, some 2,400 US soldiers and more than 150,000 Afghans killed, Washington has finally accepted the reality of its defeat. In the process, the US has spent, not to say wasted, over a trillion or according to some, two trillion dollars on the war, almost 1,000 times more than Afghanistan's GDP.

Once again, the imperial power of the day has lost to indigenous fighters, finally realising that when it fights a relatively weaker party for too long, it also becomes weak.

After Vietnam and Iraq, the US seems to have lost its third major war and the longest of them all.

The only remaining question for the US was how best to avoid a repetition of the fall of Saigon and the humiliating scene of the last US helicopter fleeing South Vietnam.

To put an end to continuing losses in blood, pride and treasure, two years ago, the US finally embraced the idea of a negotiated settlement with the Taliban, largely on the armed group's own terms.

The US had wanted the Taliban to start talks first with the Afghan government in order to reach a national accord on the future of the country and governing system, but the Taliban leaders refused to negotiate with the "US puppet" in Kabul. They insisted on direct negotiation with Washington over a US military withdrawal before any dialogue with the Afghan authorities.

The US caved in - or, as former US ambassador to Afghanistan Ryan Crocker called it - surrendered. For a year and a half, it engaged in talks with the Taliban in Doha. It pushed them forward even after US President Donald Trump called them off temporarily after the death of a US soldier in a suicide bombing in September last year.

Last week, an agreement was finalised, at least "in principle".

Before proceeding with the signing, the US insisted that the Taliban agree to a week of reduction in violence to show it controls all of the various armed groups in the country, and commits to denying any hostile group like al-Qaeda a haven in Afghanistan.

The Taliban agreed.

But the armed group refused to commit to a particular American, democratic or liberal vision for the future Afghanistan, and insisted on the release of its imprisoned members before it began negotiations with the central government in Kabul.

Diplomacy once again reflected not the absolute power of either party or the primacy of international law, but the balance of power on the ground.

It is, in fact, a symmetrical diplomatic process with the clear objective of restoring Afghan sovereignty and independence free of foreign forces, no "ifs", no "buts", no "maybes".

President Trump began his tenure by talking tough, making threats and even warning of "tens of millions killed" in Afghanistan, but the Taliban leaders were not impressed. They called his bluff through further escalation, believing time was on their side.

As the US election countdown clock ticked, the president became ever more eager to make a deal.

He even floated the idea of a Camp David summit to end the war in Afghanistan, but the Taliban rejected it.

The US president may lack certain qualities, but tenacity is not one of them. He has already made good on his pledge to walk away from important international agreements, erect a wall along the border with Mexico and move the US embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

And now comes the time to reduce US military footprints in the greater Middle East, notably in Afghanistan, especially after Trump deployed more troops to the Gulf region to deter Iran.

If it works out, this deal would be a significant accomplishment for the Trump administration, considering the broad public consensus in the US over the need to end the war in Afghanistan as soon as possible. Bringing to a close the US withdrawal which the Obama administration started but could not finish may well prove to be one of his greatest electoral assets

Afghans have lived in horror and devastation for the past four decades, starting with the 1979 Soviet invasion, which ushered in a civil war, and then the US invasion of 2001.

The country's war economy has bred corruption and expanded the narcotics-dominated black market, which produces some 80 percent of the world's opium.

Even if diplomacy succeeds, and the foreign forces leave, it is going to take a miracle for Afghans to reach national reconciliation, rebuild their nation, and put the country on the path to normalcy.

Despite the calming words of deputy Taliban leader Sirajuddin Haqqani in an op-ed in the New York Times last week, many Afghans are afraid of a vengeful, uncompromising Taliban.

The armed group could come back with a vengeance in Kabul and re-impose its ultraconservative ways on Afghan politics and society, facing little resistance from a weak and inept central government unable to protect the few political and social reforms enacted over the past two decades.

A lot will depend on the tenacity of Afghan society and its ability to engage in nation-building on its own, without the dictates of outside powers.

It is said, the wise learn from the mistakes of others, the smart learn from their own mistakes, and the foolish learn from neither.

The Americans may have finally learned their history lesson: all empires, from the Persian and the Mongol to the British and Soviet, have suffered defeat in Afghanistan.

It is the graveyard of empires, stupid.

If the US-Taliban agreement holds, and that is a big IF, the Afghans too will have the opportunity to draw their own lessons.

Will they stop al-Qaeda and ISIS type groups from making Afghanistan their safe haven? Will they begin the process of healing to end the suffering?

May Afghans, especially the Taliban prove as resilient in the pursuit of peace as they have been in waging war.

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/trump-surrendered-afghanistan-taliban-200225195942947.html
oralloy
 
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Wed 26 Feb, 2020 05:55 am
@izzythepush,
That article is pretty inaccurate. We could in fact afford to stay in Afghanistan forever if we chose to do so. It's not like we were maintaining a large force there.

Further, there has long been a willingness by the US to negotiate an end to the war. It was the Taliban who always refused.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Wed 26 Feb, 2020 06:39 am
DroneStrike! Mr. Green
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/02/air-strike-kills-telecom-worker-somalia-200226065434331.html
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blatham
 
  2  
Wed 26 Feb, 2020 07:04 am
@izzythepush,
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This was the same day President George W Bush proclaimed rather bombastically that the war in Iraq was "mission accomplished".
There's an event that will live on in infamy. It wasn't just the banner but the procurement and re-direction of the vessel, and the Bush-in-flight suit thing (recall some high profile Fox or GOP female alluding to Bush's "package").

And there was another such example in New Orleans after the flood where Bush was placed in the foreground with an imposing building behind. To set that up, they wanted to light the building dramatically (night shot for effect) and to do that, they had to cut power to a part of the area (already under incredible stress due to much of the power grid being down) in order to do that lighting of the building.

The GOP is commonly very effective at this sort of propaganda display. A key reason is that there is a lot of marketing expertise they can draw on through their connections to business entities which know how to do this.

The Dems too have the potential to be this smart and effective (artists tend to be on the left). I continually bemoan their relative inability to effectually use artists, particularly musicians and those working in film, in an organized manner.
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Wed 26 Feb, 2020 01:34 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
That article is pretty inaccurate.

The article comes from an Islamic propaganda machine. The Taliban cannot quit. It is against their religious beliefs. Do they have to use terror? It looks like they do.
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Wed 26 Feb, 2020 01:51 pm
@MontereyJack,
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will you eat your words when coronavirus really hits here?

Can you be anymore miserable than wishing the country gets sick?
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Wed 26 Feb, 2020 01:56 pm
@coldjoint,
Its happening whether we like it or not. Thsts called reality. Trump is denying it. Yhsats fantasy. Trump disbanded our pandemic specialists. Thats the disturbing reality too.
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snood
 
  3  
Wed 26 Feb, 2020 02:20 pm
Couple questions for CJ and the other supporters of Trump here...

Which do you consider a more important requirement when key people in homeland security or agencies like CDC are put into place - subject matter expertise and competence, or loyalty and faithfulness to Donald Trump?

Trump’s administration has been cutting funding to the CDC. Do you think it would be a good idea to restore and increase that funding now, or do you think that the CDC is not all that crucial and the funding would be better spent on things like the border wall?
coldjoint
 
  0  
Wed 26 Feb, 2020 03:21 pm
@snood,
Quote:

Which do you consider a more important requirement when key people in homeland security or agencies like CDC are put into place - subject matter expertise and competence, or loyalty and faithfulness to Donald Trump?

Who do you think does not have the expertise? Any names? And how do you intend to prove that is how people are placed? Just another swipe at Trump, God forbid someone might agree with him.
snood
 
  4  
Wed 26 Feb, 2020 03:27 pm
@coldjoint,
Do you notice you didn’t answer either question?
When they are interviewing people to fill Trumps agency leads, should loyalty and faithfulness to Trump be something they are asked about?

Do you think it’s important to restore funding to the CDC, or nah?

Pretty simple questions. I even made them simpler.

If you don’t want to answer them, just say so.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Wed 26 Feb, 2020 03:40 pm
@snood,
Quote:
When they are interviewing people to fill Trumps agency leads, should loyalty and faithfulness to Trump be something they are asked about?

They can simply be asked if they support his agenda. There is no need for any other question. That is, if they are qualified. In that case hire them.
Quote:
Do you think it’s important to restore funding to the CDC, or nah?

I think there is tremendous waste in government. The CDC is not immune.
snood
 
  3  
Wed 26 Feb, 2020 03:44 pm
@coldjoint,
Why should someone up for a job at the center for disease control be asked if they support the president’s agenda?

Should the military budget be exempt from cutbacks?
 

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