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Walter Hinteler
 
  5  
Thu 16 Jan, 2020 09:47 am
@blatham,
White House hold on Ukraine aid violated federal law, congressional watchdog says
Quote:
The White House violated federal law in its hold on security aid to Ukraine last year, according to a decision by a congressional watchdog released on Thursday and reviewed by The Washington Post.

The Government Accountability Office, a nonpartisan agency that reports to Congress, found the Trump administration violated a law that governs how the White House disburses money approved by Congress.

The GAO decision comes as the Senate prepares for the impeachment trial of President Trump, a process set to begin Thursday.

“Faithful execution of the law does not permit the President to substitute his own policy priorities for those that Congress has enacted into law,” the decision states. “OMB withheld funds for a policy reason, which is not permitted under the Impoundment Control Act.”


Legal opinion from GAO on White House hold on Ukraine aid
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tsarstepan
 
  3  
Thu 16 Jan, 2020 09:48 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

tsarstepan wrote:
Ukraine is now investigating Trump

Do they still expect Mr. Trump to keep sending them military aid?

Since I DONOT live in Ukraine or know anyone working the Ukrainian government? How the frack do you think I'd be able to answer that?

MORE BREAKING NEWS about Trump and Ukraine:
The Trump administration broke the law in withholding security aid to Ukraine, a nonpartisan federal watchdog agency determined.
Quote:
WASHINGTON — The Trump administration violated the law in withholding security assistance aid to Ukraine, a nonpartisan federal watchdog agency said on Thursday, weighing in on a decision by President Trump that is at the heart of the impeachment case against him.

The Government Accountability Office said the White House’s Office of Management and Budget violated the Impoundment Control Act when it withheld nearly $400 million for “a policy reason,” even though the funds had been allocated by Congress. The decision was directed by the president himself, and during the House impeachment inquiry, administration officials testified that they had raised concerns about its legality to no avail.

“Faithful execution of the law does not permit the president to substitute his own policy priorities for those that Congress has enacted into law,” the G.A.O. wrote. “The withholding was not a programmatic delay.”
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revelette3
 
  2  
Thu 16 Jan, 2020 10:05 am
On the impeachment thing, Mitch is dangling a dare, if democrats want witnesses, such as those who actually know something concerning impeachment charges, they have to be willing to accept witnesses from "both sides." We all know Mitch has been in cahoots with the WH all during thing, he has admitted as much. So the republicans are not an impartial body to prosecute this trial. It is going to be a sham. Nevertheless, I think democrats should take him up on it. I doubt Hunter or Joe Biden have anything to hide. They will just have to take a licking which however it turns out, will not be good for Joe Biden and his election chances which is what Trump wanted all along. So Mitch has got the Impeachment of Donald Trump in between a hard place and a brick wall. Disgusting but not surprising in the least.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Thu 16 Jan, 2020 10:09 am
@revelette3,
We need to hear from more than just the Biden crime family. We also need to cross examine the supposed whistle blower and a number of Democratic leaders from the House.
McGentrix
 
  -1  
Thu 16 Jan, 2020 10:50 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Quote:
He doesn't need a reason to oust an ambassador.

Then why all the cloak-and-dagger crap? Why spread rumors about her and criticize her past service? Why not just make an announcement thanking her for her service and install a replacement?


I have no idea. It's one of the reasons I call bullshit on it. There was no reason needed so drumming one up seems redundant.
McGentrix
 
  0  
Thu 16 Jan, 2020 11:01 am
@engineer,
engineer wrote:

Are you saying that if someone were to offer the President a large financial bribe to fire an ambassador and he did it, that is legal because the ambassador works for the President?


i am saying that the President has the power to decide who can be an ambassador and for how long. They work for the State Dept which is run by the Executive branch and being President means you get to be the boss of the Executive branch.

All the President has to do is
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIsAu8yXAAAYYOW.jpg
izzythepush
 
  1  
Thu 16 Jan, 2020 11:25 am
@McGentrix,
Trump, ersatz as always.

This is the original.

https://images.askmen.com/entertainment/better_look/_1478186739.gif

Trump's quite happy to steal Sugar's catchphrases, he can't steal his business acumen. Trump inherited a fortune and let it dwindle, Sugar built a fortune out of nothing.

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MontereyJack
 
  2  
Thu 16 Jan, 2020 11:52 am
@oralloy,
So you'd be in favor of testimony from all the trump admin people he refused to let testify.
georgeob1
 
  0  
Thu 16 Jan, 2020 12:02 pm
@McGentrix,
The rumors and cloak and dagger crap, and their exquisitely well-timed public revelations appear to be mostly the actions of the Pro impeachment forces among Democrats. It is a well established tradition of our governance that Ambassadors serve exclusively at the pleasure of Presidents, who, in our Constitution are charged with the conduct of our foreign relations. Indeed wholesale replacements of Ambassadors by incoming President is a long-established practice. Now we see establishment media reports outlining the long bureaucratic careers of Ambassadors, some directly stating, others merely implying the wrongful denial of career bureaucrats their rightful posts.

This is a new phenomenon in American politics - an extensive Federal bureaucracy that increasingly behaves as though it is an independent branch of our government. The now decades long practice of the Congress to enact legislation on a wide variety of matters addressing only general expressions of intent and desired outcome, and empowering these Executive Branch Bureaucracies to independently issue general policy and detailed regulations for the execution of the legislation, has contributed significantly to this corruption of our democracy. In many cases the Executive Departments enforce them through administrative courts created within the bureaucracy for this purpose. In most cases this has also been accompanied by the creation of judicial-like investigation departments and even uniformed police forces for enforcement. In short federal bureaucracies have, within their, often poorly defined, areas of authority, become mini governments, with their own rules, investigative bodies judicial procedures, courts and police. I believe this has led to the implicit belief among the huge cadre of Federal bureaucrats that they are the government and can act with impunity to oppose the action of elected presidents, who themselves are the constitutionally designated heads of all Executive Branch agencies - including them. Now our elected President, admittedly a disruptive figure who has declared his intent to limit the excess intrusiveness of Agency regulations, and has acted to eliminate reduce and simplify wide areas of such excess regulation (achieving enormous public economic benefits as a result), has directly challenged the erroneously presumed autonomy of these agencies. I believe this has led directly to the so -called "deep state" resistance to the President that we have observed for the past two years.

There is also a political dimension at work here. "Progressive" Democrats persistently seek to achieve their desired ends through the creation and action of such agencies working under fairly loose legislation, and making & enforcing detailed regulations to achieve their ends. In contrast Republicans generally seek to preserve greater degrees of individual freedom of action in both personal and economic activities. Thus this deep state itself is largely the action of Democrat political action. This flies in the face of the Constitutional prescription for governance through three independent branches - Executive, Legislative, and Judicial.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Thu 16 Jan, 2020 12:15 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
So you'd be in favor of testimony from all the trump admin people he refused to let testify.

So long as Mr. Trump gets all of his witnesses too, I have no objection to the Democrats calling any witnesses that they want.

If there are to be witnesses, let both sides have all of their witnesses.
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engineer
 
  3  
Thu 16 Jan, 2020 12:46 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

engineer wrote:

Are you saying that if someone were to offer the President a large financial bribe to fire an ambassador and he did it, that is legal because the ambassador works for the President?


i am saying that the President has the power to decide who can be an ambassador and for how long.

So it is essentially impossible to bribe a public official to do something that is within his power? Rod Blagojevich was sent to prison for soliciting a bribe to name someone Senator. It was his job to name the senator and he could name anyone he wished. Is it your opinion that he should not have been convicted?
oralloy
 
  -3  
Thu 16 Jan, 2020 01:14 pm
@engineer,
When a public official accepts a bribe in exchange for causing a certain outcome, that harms the proper functioning of the government.

That's a lot different from an act (criminal or otherwise) that doesn't harm the proper functioning of the government.
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blatham
 
  0  
Thu 16 Jan, 2020 01:56 pm
@engineer,
McG would prefer that we don't point to abuses of power (such as accepting bribes or violations of the emoluments clause) because if he were to acknowledge such a thing, his argument become meaningless. In such cases, the guilty party will surely move covertly to suppress the release of relevant information or to remove impediments to his plan being effected.
oralloy
 
  0  
Thu 16 Jan, 2020 01:58 pm
@blatham,
There is no reason to think that Mr. Trump has accepted any bribes.

The Democrats have far from a clear case that Mr. Trump has violated the emoluments clause. And even less of a case that he has committed a grave enough violation of the emoluments clause to warrant removal from office.
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McGentrix
 
  1  
Thu 16 Jan, 2020 02:16 pm
@engineer,
engineer wrote:

So it is essentially impossible to bribe a public official to do something that is within his power? Rod Blagojevich was sent to prison for soliciting a bribe to name someone Senator. It was his job to name the senator and he could name anyone he wished. Is it your opinion that he should not have been convicted?

What are you on about? If the President is dissatisfied with the performance of an employee of the State Dept, he can fire them. That means no meetings, no hearings, no unions no nothing. Just let them go as they work at the behest of the President.

Who would need to bribe Trump? I mean what would you bribe him with? Jelly of the month coupons?
McGentrix
 
  1  
Thu 16 Jan, 2020 02:18 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

McG would prefer that we don't point to abuses of power (such as accepting bribes or violations of the emoluments clause) because if he were to acknowledge such a thing, his argument become meaningless. In such cases, the guilty party will surely move covertly to suppress the release of relevant information or to remove impediments to his plan being effected.


This is what happens to government when you don't elect a lifetime politician. It's been so long that someone outside of politics has done anything that people lose their ******* minds when it happens.

emoluments... please.
engineer
 
  3  
Thu 16 Jan, 2020 02:35 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

engineer wrote:

So it is essentially impossible to bribe a public official to do something that is within his power? Rod Blagojevich was sent to prison for soliciting a bribe to name someone Senator. It was his job to name the senator and he could name anyone he wished. Is it your opinion that he should not have been convicted?

What are you on about?

I thought I read your position to be that if the President/Governor is doing something within his power, the reasoning behind that decision completely doesn't matter. So Blagojevich had the power to appoint a senator. If the reason he appointed person A over person B is that A gave him money for the appointment it doesn't matter because the appointment was his. Likewise, the President controls appointments and US foreign policy and if he takes certain actions because a foreign government pays him to do so it doesn't matter because the decision is his. Did I get that right? Honest question.
blatham
 
  1  
Thu 16 Jan, 2020 02:35 pm
@McGentrix,
Quote:
This is what happens to government when you don't elect a lifetime politician. It's been so long that someone outside of politics has done anything that people lose their ******* minds when it happens.

Good point. What you want most of all in a political figure, particularly in the White House, is someone who stands completely outside of existing norms and standards. You wouldn't believe how much Mafia bosses get done in a week of activity.

Edit: I should add that this notion you advance will certainly appeal to any of the authoritarian leaders presently or previously holding power. The Nazis, famously, got the trains running on time. Constitutional democracies are just so damned inefficient we really ought to do away with them. We ought to go with the Putin model.
blatham
 
  3  
Thu 16 Jan, 2020 02:42 pm
Quote:
Former Rudy Giuliani amigo Lev Parnas may have revealed a staggering scandal on Wednesday, with Ukrainian gas billionaire Dmytro Firtash at the center.

The allegation is this: Trump and his legal team offered to have federal foreign bribery charges against Firtash dropped if the oligarch, described by federal prosecutors as an “upper-echelon” associate of the Russian mafia, helped Trump discredit the Mueller investigation and Joe Biden.

If corroborated, Parnas’ allegations would implicate Attorney General Bill Barr in the scandal in a deeper way than previously known, and would suggest that federal indictments are up for grabs as a bargaining chip for Trump’s political fortunes.
TPM

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blatham
 
  2  
Thu 16 Jan, 2020 03:03 pm
Fun library of Lev Parnas photos with top GOPers (lots with the Trumps) here
 

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