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Builder
 
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Sun 12 Jan, 2020 04:57 am
@hightor,
How ISIS Got Weapons From the U.S. and Used Them to Take Iraq and Syria

By Tom O'Connor On 12/14/17 at 1:32 PM EST

Quote:
The Islamic State militant group (ISIS) got its hands on vast supplies of weapons by taking advantage of U.S. weapons transfers that may have violated international agreements between Washington and its allies, according to a new report.

As much as 90 percent of ISIS's arms and ammunition were found to have originated in Russia, China and Eastern European states. The jihadis were able to obtain much of this arsenal as a result of former President Barack Obama's support for rebels in Syria, U.K.-based Conflict Armament Research reported after analyzing 40,000 items recovered by its investigators along ISIS front lines between July 2014 and November 2017. By purchasing "large numbers" of European arms and ammunition and then diverting them to nonstate actors in Syria without notifying the sellers, the U.S. reportedly "violated the terms of sale and export agreed between weapon exporters...and recipients."

"The United States and Saudi Arabia supplied most of this materiel without authorization, apparently to Syrian opposition forces. This diverted materiel, recovered from IS forces, comprises exclusively Warsaw Pact–caliber weapons and ammunition, purchased by the United States and Saudi Arabia from European Union (EU) member states in Eastern Europe," the report found, using an alternative acronym for ISIS.

"Supplies of materiel into the Syrian conflict from foreign parties—notably the United States and Saudi Arabia—have indirectly allowed IS to obtain substantial quantities of anti-armor ammunition," it later added.


But wait! there's more.

Quote:
ISIS emerged out of Al-Qaeda in Iraq and other jihadi groups in the wake of the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq and overthrow of its leader, President Saddam Hussein. After announcing its establishment in 2013, ISIS spread into Syria to take advantage of the ongoing war between the Syrian military and the rebel and jihadi groups trying to overthrow it since 2011. In Syria's conflict, the U.S. had been supplying arms to insurgents opposed to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad since at least 2012 and, when ISIS began rapidly seizing territory in 2013 and 2014, many U.S.-armed rebel groups were either defeated by the incoming militants or joined them. ISIS reportedly received most of its initial supplies by overtaking Russia-backed Syrian and U.S.-backed Iraqi military positions, but later vastly received a massive boost from the U.S.'s effort to overthrow Assad.

As ISIS began to take nearly half the country, the U.S. continued to train and equip Syrian rebels, using local allies like Jordan and Turkey as intermediaries. In its report, Conflict Armaments Group included dozens of photographs of EU-manufactured weapons believed to have been procured by the U.S. and Saudi Arabia, shipped to Syrian rebels and later obtained by ISIS, which moved them between Iraq and Syria. These included a powerful anti-tank missile launcher bought from a Bulgarian manufacturer by the U.S. Army and wielded by ISIS only weeks later.


Same story in Libya, which is why Obama and Clinton did nothing for US assets in Benghazi, but sit and watch the horror show from their Situation room.


source
hightor
 
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Sun 12 Jan, 2020 05:29 am
@McGentrix,
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Low information Blatham... fits.

Not really. This sort of verbal abuse is simply a lazy form of character assassination where, rather than coin an original and clever insult, the name-caller merely misappropriates a preexisting term in the hope that a few of the BB's land near the intended target. As with other propaganda techniques, it's a "crude substitute for rational argument."
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The ideological views of most low-information voters tend to be more moderate than those of high-information voters. Low-information voters are less likely to vote and when they do they generally vote for a candidate they find personally appealing. They tend to be swing voters and they tend to vote split-ticket more than well-informed voters do. Researchers attribute this to low-information voters not having developed clear cut ideological preferences. Some are single-issue voters, i.e. they vote primarily on a single issue they care very much about, such as gun control.

Linguist George Lakoff has written that the term is a pejorative mainly used by American liberals to refer to people who vote conservative against their own interests and assumes they do it because they lack sufficient information. Liberals, he said, attribute the problem in part to deliberate Republican efforts at misinforming voters.

In a 2011 article titled "Goodbye to All That: Reflections of a GOP Operative Who Left the Cult", thirty-year Republican House of Representatives and Senate staffer Mike Lofgren characterized low-information voters as anti-intellectual and hostile-to-science "religious cranks" and claimed Republicans are deliberately manipulating low information voters to undermine their confidence in American democratic institutions.

Popular syndicated talk show host Rush Limbaugh became aware of the term in the aftermath of the 2012 presidential election, initially joking that it could be interpreted to signify stupidity. However, Limbaugh later clarified that a low information voter may also be considered in his view a "high liberal information voter", expounding on media bias thusly: "I have never said that low-information voters are stupid. I just said they don't know what they think they know. They are prisoners to the media, which has dumbed them down. Low-information voters can be doctors. Low-information voters can be scientists. They can be among all walks of life. It has nothing to do with IQ. It has to do with what they don't know because of their media sources. Low-information voters are clearly people that don't have all the information available to make a voting choice. That's all they are. And they're all over the place. And most of them do vote Democrat. Most of them did vote for Obama. It's not a comment on their intelligence. It's not that they're stupid or don't understand the issues. They just haven't had it all explained to them".

A 2012 paper by six American political scientists called "A Theory of Political Parties: Groups, Policy Demands and Nominations in American Politics" challenged the idea that Republicans want a low-information electorate and argued instead that both major American parties do. Noting that 95% of incumbents in the highly polarized House of Representatives win re-election despite voters' preference for centrist representation, the paper theorizes that voters' infrequent penalizing of extremist behaviour represents not approval, but a lack of attention and information. This, the paper says, is supported by the fact that when congressional districts and media markets overlap to create more informed electorates, extremist House members are at much greater risk for defeat. The paper proposes that in the American political system interest groups and activists are the key actor and that the electorate is uninformed and bamboozled.

wikipedia
hightor
 
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Sun 12 Jan, 2020 05:33 am
@Builder,
Arming insurgent forces with the weapons captured from defeated enemies is a well-known guerilla tactic, first formulated by Mao.
Builder
 
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Sun 12 Jan, 2020 05:52 am
@hightor,
https://media1.giphy.com/media/wSCAy1zJbcUG4/giphy.gif?cid=790b761113b693526c1f8af66a6ea4d0c7d3516fc66bfe27&rid=giphy.gif
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oralloy
 
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Sun 12 Jan, 2020 06:29 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
it's a "crude substitute for rational argument."

Blatham isn't here to have reasonable discussions. Really, no progressive is interested in having a reasonable discussion. Few progressives are even capable of it.

Personally I prefer challenging untrue claims when I notice them, and otherwise disregarding the inane babbling of progressives. I don't see the point in picking a progressive and taunting them.

But I don't think that any opportunities for reasonable conversation are being missed when someone does choose to taunt a progressive.
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blatham
 
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Sun 12 Jan, 2020 06:29 am
@hightor,
Quote:
This sort of verbal abuse is simply a lazy form of character assassination where, rather than coin an original and clever insult, the name-caller merely misappropriates a preexisting term in the hope that a few of the BB's land near the intended target. As with other propaganda techniques, it's a "crude substitute for rational argument."
As one poster pointed out, this is a technique Trump uses all the time and Lash's use was similarly motivated and equally juvenile. But what caught my attention/curiosity was - What on earth did she imagine would follow from her use of the phrase? Who did she imagine might be swayed by it? Did she even think that far or was she merely following the sort of discourse models often found in the Ann Coulter-style commentary she attends to?
Lash
 
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Sun 12 Jan, 2020 06:48 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Quote:
This sort of verbal abuse is simply a lazy form of character assassination where, rather than coin an original and clever insult, the name-caller merely misappropriates a preexisting term in the hope that a few of the BB's land near the intended target. As with other propaganda techniques, it's a "crude substitute for rational argument."
As one poster pointed out, this is a technique Trump uses all the time and Lash's use was similarly motivated and equally juvenile. But what caught my attention/curiosity was - What on earth did she imagine would follow from her use of the phrase? Who did she imagine might be swayed by it? Did she even think that far or was she merely following the sort of discourse models often found in the Ann Coulter-style commentary she attends to?




Who do you think will be swayed by your constant insinuation that I'm a Russian? Or a secret GOP operative? This sort of verbal abuse is simply a lazy form of character assassination where, rather than coin an original and clever insult, the name-caller merely misappropriates a preexisting term in the hope that a few of the BB's land near the intended target. As with other propaganda techniques, it's a "crude substitute for rational argument."

I mean, really, Blatham. As one poster has pointed out, this is identical to a technique Trump uses all the time and your constant use of your preferred ad hominem against me is similarly motivated and equally juvenile.

I know you desperately prefer 'do as I say, not as I do, but in this case, I have discovered that you are in fact a low information commentator, and just as this term is used widely as a descriptor - not an ad hom - to literally describe someone who talks about politics or votes, based on scant, biased, or incorrect information, I will continue to call it as I see it.

blatham
 
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Sun 12 Jan, 2020 06:50 am
Oh right. There was that guy.
Quote:
Disgraced former House speaker Dennis Hastert’s name was trending on Twitter Saturday morning after President Trump suggested “Nancy Pelosi will go down as the absolute worst Speaker of the House in U.S. History!”

Trump’s morning tweet is the third time in 24 hours the president has made this prediction about the California Democrat’s legacy, placing the first woman in the role below the 53 other men to have served as speaker since 1789.

“She is obsessed with impeachment, she has done nothing. She is going to go down as one of the worst Speakers in the history of our country,” Trump said Friday night during an interview with Fox News’s Laura Ingraham. “And she’s become a crazed lunatic. But she will go down as — I think maybe the worst speaker in the history of our country.”

But some Twitter users were quick to point out the track record of other past speakers, namely Hastert (R-Ill.), the longest -running Republican speaker, from 1999 to 2007, and an admitted sex offender who molested teenage boys he had coached in high school wrestling. Hastert was convicted of bank fraud in a scheme to buy the silence of his victims.
WP

But I'm sure Ingraham would have brought up Hastert's name if it had come to mind. She's like that. Truth-oriented.
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blatham
 
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Sun 12 Jan, 2020 07:07 am
@Lash,
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I will continue to call it as I see it.
By all means, continue with your heroic efforts.
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blatham
 
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Sun 12 Jan, 2020 07:22 am
How did I not know that Buck Henry co-wrote the screenplay for The Graduate?
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izzythepush
 
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Sun 12 Jan, 2020 08:18 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:


Who do you think will be swayed by your constant insinuation that I'm a Russian? Or a secret GOP operative?


A lot more people than will be convinced that you're a left supporting American.

I want to believe you're genuine, but I don't and I've said why.
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blatham
 
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Sun 12 Jan, 2020 08:34 am
Quote:
Josh Marshall
@joshtpm
Fascinating dimension of the Trump era: all news orgs now hitting live with Trumps claim about four embassies and considering it as claim to be litigated even while simultaneously everyone universally understands he made this up on the spur of the moment.

No small problem. The press is simply not capable of dropping old habits of thought and operation which had at least some workability in normal times but which are almost totally useless (or even counter-productive to their mission) with a sociopath in the WH. And one has to think that a significant aspect of this problem is a broad psychological/cultural presumption, mostly unconscious, that such a thing is impossible in America.
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revelette3
 
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Sun 12 Jan, 2020 09:39 am
@blatham,
Quote:
My next book is imminent, and I am planning to finish it at some point.


Laughing
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revelette3
 
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Sun 12 Jan, 2020 10:03 am
Seven Days in January

Way too long to post, but an absolute good read which fills in the gaps and answers some questions which have posed on this thread. Apparently the options on how to deal with Iran (which this administration sees as the worst threat I suppose, maybe it is, I don't know) were offered back when Bolton was still there. Also CIA Haspel argued in favor of taking out Suleimani and predicted (turns out correctly but she doesn't take account the long term affect) how Iran would react. So Trump was at his Florida place and out of other options, decided on the Suleimani assignation after the attack on the embassy by protestors. I don't know what the protestors have to do with Sulemani, but that is when he made his decision, spur of the moment like. What is not clear, and I doubt it will be, is what was the direct threat which caused them to act when they did? So far there is no evidence to back up claims of any planned attacks against embassies and other claims made by the administration.

Much more and way better explained than I can attempt to do at the source at nyt.
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revelette3
 
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Sun 12 Jan, 2020 10:22 am
You know when conservatives were clamoring for an investigation into the investigators, I doubt they intended on a possible consequence of the probe. As a result of the probe, which had the result of exposing the weakness the FBI uses when applying for warrants to use surveillance, the FBI now intends to reform their methods of applying for warrants, which includes methods for warrants which would include warrants for suspected terrorist. I imagine Lyndsey Graham only wanted checks and balances on warrants for surveillance for people in campaigns. It really turns out, the FBI really didn't break any laws, they just operated in a manner previously acceptable when we think of it applying to suspected terrorist or spies. In any the FBI apologizes and is going to be making changes.

In a rare public filing, the bureau said it would extend wiretap changes to other tools for collecting data on suspected spies and terrorists.

So a good thing came out of the probe of the investigators.
georgeob1
 
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Sun 12 Jan, 2020 10:45 am
@revelette3,
That's a lot of fact-free nonsense. The FISA law, and the procedures associated with it, apply to all American citizens, regardless of the criminal activity of which they may be suspected. The law governs FBI actions in the FISA process, not the self-serving interpretations of agencies like the FBI.
revelette3
 
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Sun 12 Jan, 2020 11:39 am
@georgeob1,
Quote:
That's a lot of fact-free nonsense


Pot meet kettle.

The law does govern the process. Nevertheless, why do you think Lyndsey Graham wanted checks and balances, but "at least on campaigns." It is because he knew those loose tactics have been employed for years with warrants in regards to spies and terrorist and FISA and everybody knows it and has known it which is why leftist have been complaining about it for years. Now the FBI is going to reform those tactics and it is a good thing in the end.
coldjoint
 
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Sun 12 Jan, 2020 11:49 am
@revelette3,
Quote:
Now the FBI is going to reform those tactics and it is a good thing in the end.

A good thing would be punishing the people who abused their power like Comey, McCabe, Brennan, and Clapper. Reforming has little to do with justice and everything to do with a dual system of justice that should be obvious to everyone. That does not illicit confidence in an organization if people are not punished because of who they are and what side they are on.
BillW
 
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Sun 12 Jan, 2020 11:53 am
@revelette3,
In other words, it puts controls on Fascist Right Wing tactics!
RABEL222
 
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Sun 12 Jan, 2020 12:02 pm
@coldjoint,
As can be seen if one looks at the republican senate with an open mind.
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