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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Wed 8 Jan, 2020 12:05 pm
@hightor,
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It's an insult to any reader's intelligence.

You talking about the NYT?
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Wed 8 Jan, 2020 12:21 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
Notice that McGentrix doesn't cite a single statement where Brooks indicates any sympathy for terrorism. No, he just copies the administration's line where any questioning of our policy in the Mideast is tantamount to sympathizing with terrorists. It's an insult to any reader's intelligence.

"But the F.B.I. was unable to establish that the bombing of the Rogers vehicle was an act of Iranian terrorism; the case remains open."

Cited.


Although, the strongest indicators of terrorist sympathy are not in the words, but in what is not said. The article condemns the US for various harms to Iran, but it conveniently omits the important context that these harms were all entirely the result of Iran's aggression against us.
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izzythepush
 
  1  
Wed 8 Jan, 2020 01:30 pm
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An $80million bounty has been placed on Donald Trump's head in Iran in the wake of General Qasem Soleimani's assassination.

During the televised funeral, an unidentified eulogist speaking on official state television said one US dollar should be tabled for every Iranian in the country, with the cash going to whoever killed the US President.

“Iran has 80 million inhabitants. Based on the Iranian population, we want to raise $80million (£61million) which is a reward for those who get close to the head of President Trump,” it was announced, according to en24.

It is not thought the bounty has been backed by government officials.


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/iran-offers-80million-bounty-donald-21219180
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McGentrix
 
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Wed 8 Jan, 2020 01:36 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

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Sssshhhhh, let them have their wet dreams.

Why do you need to be so coarse? Do you really think that there's a sexual component to speculation concerning the Trump administration's intentions in regard to Iran? If you do, you're stupid. If you don't, why use such tired and inaccurate terminology? Let them have their fantasies, let them have their silly conceits, let them indulge in their mistaken and ideologically suspect theories — why not use your brain instead of just firing off vulgar and erroneous cliches?


Seriously? I'm getting called on the carpet for that?!

Because I wanted to insult the idea that "Trump is starting a war and that will bring people to his side." It's a preposterous idea and there has been so much whining about something that isn't going to happen.

Saying "Trump has wanted a war with Iran for a long time now, and that was the reason he withdrew from the nuclear treaty with Iran, and the reason he had General Qassem Soleimani assassinated. " is nothing more than moaning out the deep desire of the left to see the US fail. It's long been the wet dream of many leftists to see the US fail. You know that.

My recognizing that fact is neither vulgar nor erroneous. Let's address Geraldine next...
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georgeob1
 
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Wed 8 Jan, 2020 01:38 pm
Yesterday Nancy Pelosi & Chuck Schumer were very quick to demand a Trump statement of strategy with respect to Ian, and to suggest that he was engaged in irrational, erratic and impulsive (their words) reactions. They have been uncharacteristically silent since the very pro forma and harmless Iranian response to our killing of Quds Force leader Soleimani.

Soleimani is dead: many people in the region (and in Iran) are likely relieved ( Shia Islamist terrorists excluded).

The Trump strategy for the middle east, and Iran in particular, is becoming increasingly clear to all observers willing to observe and think rationally about these matters. It is one of disengagement from the fruitless nation-building efforts we have been engaged in for well over a decade in the region, and firm deterrence of actions by any power there that threatens the United States or our allies -- particularly one that has for so long been invested in systematic efforts to use terrorism destabilize the region and inflict harm on the United States and our regional allies as has been Iran. Trump's strategy and actions are an increasingly clear and significant improvement of the hapless strategy of accommodation he inherited from the hapless Obama Administration.

I note that today some mid level Democrat Congressional figures are still demanding swift enactment of legislation to further limit the president's powers to act to thwart hostile action by long-term foes such as Iran. They appear to be oddly out of step with the emerging facts and the increasingly evident benefits of Trump's strategy and restraint, particularly in comparison to what preceded it.

The last several decades have seen a continuous series of provocations and harmful actions to the United States and many other nations at the hands of the Islamist Regine in Iran. Trump has demonstrated both restraint with respect to small provocations and swift, effective firm action with respect to more serious ones, and the Islamist regime there indeed appears to have got the message. Very few previous U.S. reactions over the period appear to have been equally as effective.
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Baldimo
 
  3  
Wed 8 Jan, 2020 01:46 pm
@blatham,
So what, Obama did the same thing with pulling the troops out of Iraq, before sending them back, and the killing of OBL. It was ok for Obama to do it but not for Trump? Double standard much?
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Baldimo
 
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Wed 8 Jan, 2020 01:49 pm
@McGentrix,
The US left would. In fact they are so divorced from facts, that they refuse to see they were the target of Russia and it's disinformation campaign. In fact after the release of the Mueller report, they still don't see it. All this division we have over the last 3 years is because the left was fooled by Russia.
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Baldimo
 
  3  
Wed 8 Jan, 2020 01:51 pm
@blatham,
Except Trump hasn't attacked Iran, he killed one of their terrorists Generals, who has been involved in the deaths of hundreds of US military personal. Why do you guys on the left love terrorists so much?
Baldimo
 
  2  
Wed 8 Jan, 2020 01:53 pm
@hightor,
Considering the left's lack on comment on Obama's use of bombs and drones in 5 additional countries Bush wasn't attacking, yeah, we question their timing with Trump.
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McGentrix
 
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Wed 8 Jan, 2020 02:06 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Notice that McGentrix doesn't cite a single statement where Brooks indicates any sympathy for terrorism. No, he just copies the administration's line where any questioning of our policy in the Mideast is tantamount to sympathizing with terrorists. It's an insult to any reader's intelligence.


Huh, I thought you had read the article posted. You seem fairly intelligent and I would have thought you wouldn't need it pointed out... but... I guess maybe I was wrong.

Let's start here
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I was a Middle East correspondent for The Wall Street Journal. My job was to understand and explain why what may have been the largest crowd of mourners ever assembled wept hysterically for a man my readers considered monstrous.

They thought that for a reason.
Quote:
In a speech on 1 February 1979 delivered to a huge crowd after returning to Iran from exile, Khomeini made a variety of promises to Iranians for his coming Islamic regime: a popularly elected government that would represent the people of Iran and with which the clergy would not interfere. He promised that "no one should remain homeless in this country," and that Iranians would have free telephone, heating, electricity, bus services and free oil at their doorstep.

Under Khomeini's rule, Sharia (Islamic law) was introduced, with the Islamic dress code enforced for both men and women by Islamic Revolutionary Guards and other Islamic groups. Women were required to cover their hair, and men were not allowed to wear shorts. Alcoholic drinks, most Western movies, and the practice of men and women swimming or sunbathing together were banned. The Iranian educational curriculum was Islamized at all levels with the Islamic Cultural Revolution; the "Committee for Islamization of Universities" carried this out thoroughly. The broadcasting of any music other than martial or religious on Iranian radio and television was banned by Khomeini in July 1979. The ban lasted 10 years (approximately the rest of his life).

According to Janet Afari, "the newly established regime of Ayatollah Khomeini moved quickly to repress feminists, ethnic and religious minorities, liberals, and leftists - all in the name of Islam."

A couple paragraphs later, we get this gem
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Today, three decades of diplomatic failure later, I watch from afar on cable news as a similar crowd in Iran, this time a deadly one, mourns Maj. Gen. Qassim Suleimani. I’m not a journalist anymore, so I’m reduced to groaning at the TV when commentators don’t help us understand what’s going on, but instead confound our understanding by providing incorrect information.

Yeah, 3 decades later after thousands have been killed or tortured because they were homosexual, non-Muslim, disabled or dared to speak out... We should definitely have awesome diplomatic relations with that government... I wonder how many gays support her thoughts? You can read all about what a great place Iran is in this Amnesty International report. What was there for us to understand? Dude was a bad guy and now he's dead. Not much to understand, I mean unless you are a terrorist sympathizer...

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General Suleimani has American blood on his hands, as we are reminded repeatedly, not only by President Trump but also by Democratic presidential candidates. This is true. But is it wrong to remind ourselves of the Iranian blood we have on ours?

Yes. Yes it is wrong. Unless you sympathize with the terrorists. Her further explanation is ignorant and misleading.

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General Suleimani killed Americans and, we are told, had plans to kill more.
"we are told"... as though we should doubt that? Geraldine is a dyed in the wool sympathizer and you should be ashamed of yourself for not recognizing her for what she is.
blatham
 
  1  
Wed 8 Jan, 2020 02:06 pm
Posted without comment
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In fact, exactly eight years ago this week, Trump predicted that Obama was so desperate for a political boost, there would be "some kind of a war" with Iran prior to that year's election. Sean Hannity responded at the time, "That would be the single most chilling abuse of power in American history."
Benen

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coldjoint
 
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Wed 8 Jan, 2020 02:10 pm
@Baldimo,
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Except Trump hasn't attacked Iran, he killed one of their terrorists Generals

You are wasting your time talking to a lying propagandist who cares nothing about this country or its citizens. He is here to instill hatred for anything Trump does with piss poor hypocritical bullshit. Nothing he says is really based on fact just opinions from hacks who want to see the Left in power.
RABEL222
 
  2  
Wed 8 Jan, 2020 02:44 pm
@coldjoint,
Hypocrit.
Baldimo
 
  1  
Wed 8 Jan, 2020 02:46 pm
@RABEL222,
*Hypocrite and yes, you are.
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hightor
 
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Wed 8 Jan, 2020 03:22 pm
@McGentrix,
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You seem fairly intelligent...

"Seem" is the operative word here. It's an act. I'm barely functional in real life.
Brooks wrote:
Today, three decades of diplomatic failure later, I watch from afar on cable news as a similar crowd in Iran, this time a deadly one, mourns Maj. Gen. Qassim Suleimani. I’m not a journalist anymore, so I’m reduced to groaning at the TV when commentators don’t help us understand what’s going on, but instead confound our understanding by providing incorrect information.

Honestly, I don't see where Brooks indicates sympathy for terrorists. At all. I think the creation of eternal enemies simply lays the foundation for endless wars. It's the definition of diplomatic failure.
McG wrote:
We should definitely have awesome diplomatic relations with that government...

We don't have "awesome diplomatic relations" with any government; it's stupid to think that should be our goal with Iran. It's not unlike the opening of relations with China. For years "Red China" was the inscrutable irredeemable evil empire which we wouldn't even recognize. Even though some politicians realized that it wasn't constructive, fear of being labeled "soft on Communism" prevented anyone who wanted to keep his office from pointing this out. But after Kissinger and Nixon tried some diplomacy it was a different story. Are the Chinese our "friends"? No, but we don't assassinate their generals and they don't make "Death to America" the basis of their foreign policy. Now, what do you think the world would be like now if our two countries still refused to talk or trade with each other? Do you think we'd be safer?
Brooks wrote:
But is it wrong to remind ourselves of the Iranian blood we have on ours?

No. Not only is it not wrong; it's necessary in order to understand how the ordinary citizens of that country (not the terrorists) see us. You know, the government of the Islamic Republic is not all that popular in Iran as we saw with the deadly demonstrations which were occurring throughout the country over the past few weeks — and which dried up with the assassination. Now the hardliners can remind everyone about the passenger jet the US shot down and blame every problem in the country on US sanctions. We're blindly playing right into the hands of the worst elements of the oppressive regime. We're essentially aiding the terrorists by making virulent anti-Americanism patriotic.
McG wrote:
"we are told"... as though we should doubt that?

Yes. Zero evidence has been provided. It looks a little too much like a convenient story to cover up a major blunder. Any plans he may have had for future terrorist actions surely didn't die with him. It's not as if there aren't others eager to assume his role.
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Geraldine is a dyed in the wool sympathizer...

No, she's someone just with considerable understanding of Iranian culture and genuine concern for the plight of the Iranian people. Nothing about that indicates support for terrorism. You should be embarrassed for drawing that conclusion.
McGentrix
 
  1  
Wed 8 Jan, 2020 03:25 pm
@hightor,
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No, she's someone just with a greater understanding of Iranian culture and more concern for the plight of the Iranian people. Nothing about that indicates support for terrorism. You should be embarrassed for drawing that conclusion.


Were that true, she wouldn't have much sympathy for this dead terrorist.
BillW
 
  2  
Wed 8 Jan, 2020 03:26 pm
"Sophomoric and Unconvincing"

coldjoint
 
  0  
Wed 8 Jan, 2020 03:41 pm
@BillW,
Quote:
"Sophomoric and Unconvincing"

That sums up your contributions to this discussion very nicely.
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BillW
 
  1  
Wed 8 Jan, 2020 03:46 pm
@BillW,
BillW wrote:

"Sophomoric and Unconvincing"

Beginning to look like we might have war crimes going on here..... tRump has successfully made the USA look like villains and Iran victims. Way to go asshole!
coldjoint
 
  1  
Wed 8 Jan, 2020 03:49 pm
@BillW,
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Beginning to look like we might have war crimes going on here.

It looks more like the traitors do not mind showing their faces anymore. Terrorists are never victims.
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