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Builder
 
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Fri 3 Jan, 2020 08:40 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
You might had hear of him as he went on to be a US President.


That's when he gave the CIA the go-ahead they were seeking for their regime change OP (first successful one) in Iran, ousting democratically elected and much-loved Mohammed Mossedegh, in the fateful operation Ajax, that eventually led to the people's revolution, and the radicals took control again.

Kind of ironic, yeah?
oralloy
 
  -2  
Fri 3 Jan, 2020 09:40 pm
@Builder,
Actually that coup was mostly the doing of the Iranian clerics, the same clerics who rule Iran today.

The US only started supporting the coup after it became clear to us that the coup was going to happen with or without us.

Even among foreign backers of the coup, the US was only a minor player. The main outside backing for the coup came from the UK, who had a legitimate grievance in that Mosaddegh was stealing their oil.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Fri 3 Jan, 2020 09:41 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Nonsense we was acting together with one repeat one overall military chain of command for both the UK and the US.

Repeat once more one chain of command with an american by the name of Dwight D. Eisenhower in over all military command.

That does not make the US responsible for the UK's actions.

And it certainly doesn't change the reality that the UK did not do anything wrong.
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Builder
 
  0  
Fri 3 Jan, 2020 09:44 pm
@oralloy,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
oralloy
 
  -1  
Fri 3 Jan, 2020 09:55 pm
@Builder,
Yes. It was terrible the way Mosaddegh was stealing the UK's oil. I can fully understand why the UK would provide major backing for the coup.
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Fri 3 Jan, 2020 10:52 pm
Here is your MSM at its anti-American best.
Quote:
Embarrassing: ‘NBC Nightly News’ Turns Itself into Infomercial for Iranian Regime

Quote:
Friday’s NBC Nightly News capped an ugly 24 hours for the liberal media after U.S. airstrikes killed Iranian terrorist Qasem Soleimani by doubling down on its bias, flashing outrageous chyrons, and fluffing pillows for the Iranians over the course of nearly 12 minutes of coverage.

With help from anchor Lester Holt’s August visit to Tehran, this kowtow came at the expense of the President and supporters of the strike as that side only fetched about two minutes of either direct soundbites or attributions.

The rest? Democrats, hyping security fears, recapping the timeline and touting the Iranians.

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/curtis-houck/2020/01/03/nbc-nightly-news-turns-newscast-infomercial-iranian-regime

Builder
 
  0  
Fri 3 Jan, 2020 11:05 pm
@coldjoint,
Ain't it obvious?

If Obama did the same, the MSM would be praising his cunning and skill.

Their ongoing silence on his war crimes in Syria and Libya are the telling point.
glitterbag
 
  1  
Fri 3 Jan, 2020 11:16 pm
What an impressive group of MENSA masters.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Fri 3 Jan, 2020 11:19 pm
@glitterbag,
Why thank you.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Fri 3 Jan, 2020 11:20 pm
@Builder,
Builder wrote:
Ain't it obvious?
If Obama did the same, the MSM would be praising his cunning and skill.
Their ongoing silence on his war crimes in Syria and Libya are the telling point.

No such war crimes.

Obama didn't do much in Syria besides try to combat Islamic State.

Killing Kadaffy was a good thing.
Builder
 
  0  
Sat 4 Jan, 2020 12:05 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
Killing Kadaffy was a good thing.


Good for whom? Even Obama stated it was his worst decision.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Sat 4 Jan, 2020 12:20 am
@Builder,
Good for justice.

Good for America.

Good for Europe.

Good for the world.

Bringing down Kadaffy was one of the best things that Obama did. Bringing down Usama bin Laden was another.
BillW
 
  1  
Sat 4 Jan, 2020 02:12 am
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:

What an impressive group of MENSA masters.

You mean, kinda like, sitting around and soaking in their own juices? What a rotten brew!
Builder
 
  1  
Sat 4 Jan, 2020 02:15 am
@BillW,
What's even more impressive, William, is that we don't expend any energy attacking you lot.
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Olivier5
 
  1  
Sat 4 Jan, 2020 03:13 am
@oralloy,
It wasn't good for Europe, because Kadafi held back emigration. But yes, it was good for the Lybians.
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izzythepush
 
  0  
Sat 4 Jan, 2020 07:15 am
Redbubble are doing quite a brisk trade in T shirts.

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blatham
 
  3  
Sat 4 Jan, 2020 07:22 am
Swamp Draining Notes From All Over
Quote:
ProPublica
@propublica
Trump has been president almost three years.

He's already appointed four times more lobbyists to government jobs than Obama had six years into office.

It's one lobbyist for every 14 political appointees. An ethics watchdog called it "staggering."
Read Here

Mind you, he has gotten rid of a lot of those damned scientists with all their learning and other liberal nonsense.
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blatham
 
  2  
Sat 4 Jan, 2020 08:06 am
Quote:
Sean Hannity calls for Trump to discard rules of engagement with Iran and “bomb the living hell out of them”
MM

And then, to handle the raging bush fires in Australia, Sean wants America to drop nuclear bombs on the fires. "Look. Either America is going to be the boss of this world or it's going to be a pansy. That's the choice!"
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blatham
 
  3  
Sat 4 Jan, 2020 08:41 am
This is accurate. I've seen the video footage.

Quote:
Jason Campbell
@JasonSCampbell
Lou Dobbs says Trump has already set a standard "for presidents that most mortals won't be able to meet," saying he "out-works them, he out-thinks, he is remarkably resourceful, he's bright, his judgment is second to none"

What the ******* ****? you might well ask. Good question.

Does Dobbs believe this? Does he believe any of it? It's possible, I guess. I mean, it is not as if we don't have evidence right here on this site that a lot of people are actually this blindingly stupid.

But Dobbs' income and his standing as a right wing media celebrity and as a current FOX employee (he makes $6 million a year just from FOX) require him to speak as he does. And some of you will recall that Rupert Murdoch, speaking about Roger Ailes, said, "He actually believes this stuff".

So god knows what is going on in this lunatic's noggin. But knowingly or not, he's just another part of the big right wing con.
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blatham
 
  2  
Sat 4 Jan, 2020 09:15 am
Rukmini Callimach is a NYT correspondent covering ISIS and al-Qaeda. She's an ex-AP bureau chief.
Quote:
Rukmini Callimachi
@rcallimachi
1. I’ve had a chance to check in with sources, including two US officials who had intelligence briefings after the strike on Suleimani. Here is what I’ve learned. According to them, the evidence suggesting there was to be an imminent attack on American targets is “razor thin”.

2. In fact the evidence pointing to that came as three discrete facts: a) A pattern of travel showing Suleimani was in Syria, Lebanon & Iraq to meet with Shia proxies known to have an offensive position to the US. (As one source said that’s just “business as usual” for Suleimani)

3. More intriguing was b) information indicating Suleimani sought the Supreme Leader’s approval for an operation. He was told to come to Tehran for consultation and further guidance, suggesting the operation was a big deal - but again this could be anything.

4. And finally, a) and b) were read in the context of c) Iran’s increasingly bellicose position towards American interests in Iraq, including the attack that killed a U.S. contractor and the recent protest outside the American embassy.

5. But as one source put it a) + b) + c) is hardly evidence of an imminent attack on American interests that could kill hundreds, as the White House has since claimed. The official describes the reading of the intelligence as an illogical leap.

6. One official described the planning for the strike as chaotic. The official says that following the attack on an Iraqi base which killed an American contractor circa Dec. 27, Trump was presented a menu of options for how to retaliate. Killing Suleimani was the “far out option”

7. Trump chose a more moderate option which involved the Dec. 29 strikes on the positions of an Iranian-backed militia. Then came the protest at the gates of the US embassy in Baghdad:

8. It was after the embassy protests that the president, according to one US official, chose the Suleimani option, but the problem at that point in time is that American intelligence did not know his precise whereabouts. They scrambled to locate him, says the official.


@emptywheel (Marcy Wheeler) is an independent journalist and blogger who specializes in foreign security and civil liberties issues. She's been one of my dependable go-to analysts for many years. Writing on the thread above, she adds:

Quote:
emptywheel
@emptywheel

1. I had worried that comparisons with Benghazi would lead Trump to do something rash and this thread sure seems to suggest that was part of it.

2. Here's the thing: The entire

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Industrial complex

arose out of GOP politicians cynically suggesting that ANY slight on America must be retaliated against in grand fashion, or it's a sign of weakness.

3. Trump, of course, adopted that attack bc there was never a cynical attack on Barack Obama he didn't love.

So that raised the cost, for him, of not risking any Benghazi-type attack himself. He trained his cult to view anything less than a military response as a sign of weakness.

4. But that's all IN ADDITION to Trump's epic narcissism, which leads him, personally, to respond to any slight, regardless of how minor, with aggressive attacks.

This response is basically a natural extension of Trump's narcissism, applied to US foreign policy.

5. The killing of Soleimani is not, as some denialists want to claim, a result of Neocons getting the best of Trump.

It's the result of there being no more adults (including Neocon adults) around to check Trump's narcissism.


I think this gets it pretty close to exactly right.





 

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