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@revelette3,

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What you don't seem to differentiate is the difference between a state recognized army and a terrorist group

Either does our government.

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U.S. Labels Iran's Revolutionary Guard As A Foreign Terrorist Organization

https://www.npr.org/2019/04/08/710987393/u-s-labels-irans-revolutionary-guard-as-a-foreign-terrorist-organization

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@BillW,

BillW wrote:

rev/BillRM, the person must have the capability 1st. When you deal with someone with a grade school education, you can't expect much. Just saying......

Progressives can't argue using facts or logic, so they always resort to childish name-calling.

I didn't see you point out anything untrue in his posts (or in mine either for that matter) so your unfounded babbling about ignorance is just unfounded babbling.

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@BillW,

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When you deal with someone with a grade school education,

Your post is exactly what people with that level of education would say. Go back to school and stop your insults, they are petty and have no place in this discussion.

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@revelette3,

revelette3 wrote:

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Tactical victory, strategic screwup.

It scares me to death, the action was tantamount to an act of war. With Iran involved, it is scary. This will unforeseen events happening all over the Middle East because of it. Not to mention opening up another reason for terrorist attacks.

For a guy who campaigned on getting us out of costly unending wars, he sure has made a mess of it.

Same here.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

BillRM wrote:
LOL I has loss count of how many noncombatants including women and children over the last years had been killed in drone strikes

Collateral damage is a part of war.

Would you rather see us carpet-bomb an entire city with incendiary bombs each time we attack a terrorist, instead of hitting them with a small precision missile?

Without drones we will not be able to watch an area continuously for awhile before striking either. So if we go the carpetbombing route we'll have to accept that sometimes we will destroy an entire city simply because our intelligence was inaccurate.

BillRM wrote:
so are you apologizing for the acts of terror the US government had done over the years?

The US has not conducted any act of terror within the past hundred years.

BillRM wrote:
Not counting the war that we started by lying about weapons of mass destruction by Bush and company.

We could have managed that war better. As soon as we captured Saddam we should have killed him quietly and pulled out of Iraq immediately instead of sticking around trying to rebuild their society.

But I think we learned our lesson and will be more effective next time. Libya went pretty well overall.

BillRM wrote:
Sorry our hands are far far from being clean as far at using terror is concern nor have any major nation in history hands had been clean.

That is incorrect. Our hands are clean.

Lol we just have some seals who would disagree with you concerning our used of terror as they report their own unit leader for war crimes using terror an then our president said no problem we should have more men such as him.

An the used of terror had been done many times in the last hundred years on large scales and small scales.

Let see the firebombing of Dresden near the end of WW2 come to mind when there was no longer a military need.

Trump also stated at one point we should kill the families of terrorists another war crime.

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@BillW,

Oh, well, I guess it's time for me to admit I barely graduated before getting married and having a baby, did all of the mentioned very quickly. However, these last twenty or so years, I have done a whole lot of reading and studying what I read and discussing world and local (relative) events. It's surprising what you learn in that manner.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

Lol we just have some seals who would disagree with you concerning our used of terror as they report their own unit leader for war crimes using terror an then our president said no problem we should have more men such as him.

OK, I concede that Trump may be willing to use such tactics against our enemies.

BillRM wrote:

An the used of terror had been done many times in the last hundred years on large scales and small scales.

Not by the US.

BillRM wrote:

Let see the firebombing of Dresden near the end of WW2 come to mind when there was no longer a military need.

The Dresden firestorm was deliberately set by British bombers. US bombers had nothing to do with it, and focused on trying to destroy the railyards, which were a legitimate target.

The claim that there was no longer a military need is nonsense. Germany had not yet been conquered.

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@revelette3,

rev, the difference is you use your brain for the benefit of all, not just one cheap ahole - theRump. Those others you are responding to - ignorant yet believe what is wrong; and by conclusion, irrelevant.

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@roger,

.....and, here!

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@BillRM,

True, going to war with Iraq in the first place in 2003 on fabricated trumped up misleading reasons, the torturing of prisoners in Gitmo, I mean, we could be labeled as a war criminals by our actions.

However, I am not sure if the two are really on the same scale. I don't know enough to say in the case of the top general of Iran whom I never heard of until the other day.

I just know Iran is not Afghanistan nor Iraq at the time of our attack in 2003.

I wonder how our allies are going to react to the assignations?

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@revelette3,

They are generally timid, unwilling to take any risks themselves, but generally glad to see the U.S. carry the load for them. It was ever thus;

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@georgeob1,

The governments yes.

But the people of allied countries often side with the bad guys and hold marches falsely accusing us of war crimes or some other nonsense. I confess that I'm beginning to find that a bit tedious.

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@BillRM,

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Trump also stated at one point we should kill the families of terrorists another war crime.

Since when is saying something a crime?

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@revelette3,

revelette3 wrote:

True, going to war with Iraq in the first place in 2003 on fabricated trumped up misleading reasons,

What's wrong with that?

???

revelette3 wrote:

the torturing of prisoners in Gitmo,

The torture did not take place at Guantanamo. The torture took place at a secret CIA base in the European Union (within an as-yet unnamed former Warsaw Pact country).

revelette3 wrote:

I mean, we could be labeled as a war criminals by our actions.

So what? We are labeled as war criminals no matter what we do.

revelette3 wrote:

I just know Iran is not Afghanistan nor Iraq at the time of our attack in 2003.

We are easily able to conduct airstrikes against Iran if they force us to go to war against them.

Obviously a ground war would be undesirable. We could do it if we had to of course. But ground wars are something that we should avoid if possible. We don't want to needlessly risk the lives of our soldiers.

Airstrikes though are easily done. We have large airbases in the UK and in the Indian Ocean. Our heavy bombers can fly out of both airbases and shower Iran with cruise missiles from two directions at once.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

BillRM wrote:
Lol we just have some seals who would disagree with you concerning our used of terror as they report their own unit leader for war crimes using terror an then our president said no problem we should have more men such as him.

OK, I concede that Trump may be willing to use such tactics against our enemies.

BillRM wrote:
An the used of terror had been done many times in the last hundred years on large scales and small scales.

Not by the US.

BillRM wrote:
Let see the firebombing of Dresden near the end of WW2 come to mind when there was no longer a military need.

The Dresden firestorm was deliberately set by British bombers. US bombers had nothing to do with it, and focused on trying to destroy the railyards, which were a legitimate target.

The claim that there was no longer a military need is nonsense. Germany had not yet been conquered.

Come on we had a join military commission with the UK there was no independent actions at that point in the war Ie just because bombers might be part of the royal airforce does not imply that the Brits was acting without the complete agreement of the US.

Supreme Allied commander was Eisenhower as a matter of fact.

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@BillRM,

The US is not responsible for acts committed by the UK.

Not that there is any reason to think that the UK did anything wrong. The war was not over.

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Nikki Haley: ‘We Responded with Strength, Not Fear’ to Iranian Threat

Looks to 2024 and the first woman president. She praised Trump's actions.
https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/craig-bannister/nikki-haley-we-responded-strength-not-fear-iranian-threat#utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=cns&utm_campaign=b-NikkiHaleyWeRespondedWithStrengthToIran

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@BillRM,

You believe tht Dresden was just the Brits? You are quite wrong. My great Uncle was shot down in a B -24 and survived. US had over 600 bombers and hundreds of escorts ambling about in that "brit action"

Please, dont get like soma these guys who think that just cause they say it, it must be a fact.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

You believe that Dresden was just the Brits?

The Dresden firestorm was just the Brits.

farmerman wrote:

US had over 600 bombers and hundreds of escorts ambling about in that "brit action"

That is incorrect. There were no American aircraft in the wave of bombers that spread incendiaries throughout the city center in a deliberate (and successful) attempt to start a firestorm.

American bombers focused on striking the railyards.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

The US is not responsible for acts committed by the UK.

Not that there is any reason to think that the UK did anything wrong. The war was not over.

Nonsense we was acting together with one repeat one overall military chain of command for both the UK and the US.

Repeat once more one chain of command with an american by the name of Dwight D. Eisenhower in over all military command.

You might had hear of him as he went on to be a US President.

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