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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Fri 3 Jan, 2020 02:28 pm
I see the MSM has special reports on the the three major networks criticizing Trumps actions. Do people want terrorists killed? Apparently not. Appeasement has accomplished nothing. It is time to show terrorists we are serious. This should unite us (and Muslims that oppose terror) not divide us. Shame on the MSM, shame on everyone who believes them.
BillRM
 
  4  
Fri 3 Jan, 2020 02:32 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:


Quote:
If the US government is declaring that high officers of other nations governments can be kill in a third

You are apologizing for terrorists. I do not care what position they hold in any government, and either does Trump.


LOL I has loss count of how many noncombatants including women and children over the last years had been killed in drone strikes so are you apologizing for the acts of terror the US government had done over the years?

Not counting the war that we started by lying about weapons of mass destruction by Bush and company.

Sorry our hands are far far from being clean as far at using terror is concern nor have any major nation in history hands had been clean.

Trump and company is just as valid targets in that regard as the General happen to had been so opening up the targeting can work both ways to no one benefit.
coldjoint
 
  0  
Fri 3 Jan, 2020 02:47 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
LOL I has loss count of how many noncombatants including women and children over the last years had been killed in drone strikes so are you apologizing for the acts of terror the US government had done over the years?

That is called terrorists living next to civilians and is not our fault. These people knew who they were aiding. They should shun the terrorists and force them to leave or leave themselves.

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Not counting the war that we started by lying about weapons of mass destruction by Bush and company.

Our intelligence failed, Bush did not lie, and a shitload of Democrats voted to go to war along with Bush.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Fri 3 Jan, 2020 02:50 pm
@revelette3,
revelette3 wrote:
With Iran involved, it is scary.

What's scary about Iran? They've been asking for it for 40 years. Maybe it's about time we bomb them to justice.
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blatham
 
  2  
Fri 3 Jan, 2020 02:50 pm
We all surely recall that Karl Rove choreographed Bush's re-election campaign around the branding of Bush as a "war president". Without getting into the more and less obvious reasons why Rove chose this strategy, we can presume he did it knowing that Bush's electoral chances would likely be enhanced. Why else would he do it? Which brings us to yesterday's Iraq news:
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Beginning in 2011, and continuing through the next year, Donald Trump began obsessively predicting that President Obama would start a war with Iran in order to be reelected. Trump stated it publicly, on at least a half-dozen occasions, explicitly positing that attacking Iran would help Obama win reelection. [One Trump tweet below]:
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"Our president will start a war with Iran because he has absolutely no ability to negotiate. He's weak and he's ineffective. So the only way he figures that he's going to get reelected and is sure as you're sitting there is to start a war with Iran."

...Trump’s attacks on Obama were the purest form of projection. They reflect his cynical belief that every president will naturally abuse their powers, and thus provide a roadmap to his own intentions.

And indeed, Trump immediately followed the killing of Qasem Soleimani by metaphorically wrapping himself in the stars and stripes. No doubt he anticipates at least a faint echo of the rally-around-the-flag dynamic that has buoyed many of his predecessors.
Jon Chait... more here

God knows what Trump will do in his attempts to gain a second term (and thus continue to insulate himself against investigations and trials when he's out of office) but I see no reason to imagine he'd refrain from starting a war if he thought it would help. What we don't know is whether he concludes it will help and how much saner voices in the Pentagon and elsewhere might push back.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Fri 3 Jan, 2020 02:52 pm
@revelette3,
revelette3 wrote:
The only bright spot on the conservative supreme court is Roberts and he can't always be counted up to act in a balanced way strictly going by the laws and not partisan ideology, but sometimes... he can surprise.

Roberts is a closet leftist. That's why the nation needs Ginsburg to hurry up and succumb to cancer so that Mr. Trump can appoint a fifth person to the Supreme Court who actually cares about upholding our Constitution.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Fri 3 Jan, 2020 02:53 pm
@BillW,
BillW wrote:
This is scary and stupid!

Why do progressives always side with terrorists and evil dictators?

Well, I know why I guess. It's because terrorists and evil dictators share progressives' hatred for freedom and democracy.

But... why do progressives hate freedom and democracy so much?
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Fri 3 Jan, 2020 02:53 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
God knows what Trump will do in his attempts to gain a second term

God and Americans know what he has done. A booming economy, low unemployment and rising wages from the bottom up. Those things will cement a second term and most likely a Republican House.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Fri 3 Jan, 2020 02:54 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
I see the MSM has special reports on the the three major networks criticizing Trumps actions. Do people want terrorists killed? Apparently not. Appeasement has accomplished nothing. It is time to show terrorists we are serious. This should unite us (and Muslims that oppose terror) not divide us. Shame on the MSM, shame on everyone who believes them.

Progressives are on the same side as terrorists and evil dictators. That's why progressives were so happy about the slaughter of Americans on 9/11.
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Fri 3 Jan, 2020 02:55 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
But... why do progressives hate freedom and democracy so much?

Because you cannot force free people to do anything, that might be one of the reasons, if not the main one.
oralloy
 
  0  
Fri 3 Jan, 2020 02:58 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
LOL I has loss count of how many noncombatants including women and children over the last years had been killed in drone strikes

Collateral damage is a part of war.

Would you rather see us carpet-bomb an entire city with incendiary bombs each time we attack a terrorist, instead of hitting them with a small precision missile?

Without drones we will not be able to watch an area continuously for awhile before striking either. So if we go the carpetbombing route we'll have to accept that sometimes we will destroy an entire city simply because our intelligence was inaccurate.


BillRM wrote:
so are you apologizing for the acts of terror the US government had done over the years?

The US has not conducted any act of terror within the past hundred years.


BillRM wrote:
Not counting the war that we started by lying about weapons of mass destruction by Bush and company.

We could have managed that war better. As soon as we captured Saddam we should have killed him quietly and pulled out of Iraq immediately instead of sticking around trying to rebuild their society.

But I think we learned our lesson and will be more effective next time. Libya went pretty well overall.


BillRM wrote:
Sorry our hands are far far from being clean as far at using terror is concern nor have any major nation in history hands had been clean.

That is incorrect. Our hands are clean.
oralloy
 
  0  
Fri 3 Jan, 2020 03:03 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
Because you cannot force free people to do anything, that might be one of the reasons, if not the main one.

Probably.

Things would be so much better for everyone if we forcibly removed all the progressives down to Guantanamo.

Progressives would be able to live in cells next to their terrorist buddies, and everyone else would be able to live a normal life without progressives trying to help terrorists kill them.
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BillRM
 
  3  
Fri 3 Jan, 2020 03:04 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

Quote:
LOL I has loss count of how many noncombatants including women and children over the last years had been killed in drone strikes so are you apologizing for the acts of terror the US government had done over the years?

That is called terrorists living next to civilians and is not our fault. These people knew who they were aiding. They should shun the terrorists and force them to leave or leave themselves.

Quote:
Not counting the war that we started by lying about weapons of mass destruction by Bush and company.

Our intelligence failed, Bush did not lie, and a shitload of Democrats voted to go to war along with Bush.


So children and women who are under the control of their men an or other armed men for that matter are somehow guilty an therefore should be killed as it is their faults also?????

Sorry but the US government hands is no more clean then the hands of the Iran government so if large number of US women and children are killed as a result of being too near targets that is just too damn bad by your logic.
georgeob1
 
  0  
Fri 3 Jan, 2020 03:08 pm
@revelette3,
revelette3 wrote:

We'll see down the line how this plays out. For all our sakes, innocents over in region and us the US, I hope more diplomatic means are deployed, but given the reactions thus far, I admit, I am scared for the long haul.


The world is indeed a dangerous place and your concerns are well-merited. Iran has been a self-declared enemy of the United States ever since the Radical Islamist government revolution that displaced the Shah four decades ago, seized our embassy along with about 50 staff members who were held hostage for well over a year. Under Islamist rule Iran became, and remains, the chief organizer and director of terrorist operations throughout the Middle East. Iranian forces were shooting up ships entering and leaving the Persian throughout the early 1980s - that stopped when Under President Reagan we took forceful action against them.

Now after Iran's efforts to destabilize Yemen, Lebanon and Syria, it finds itself with far more enemies than friends in the region. Our economic sanctions on Iran have so far cut off almost all of its foreign income from the export of petroleum and have severely crippled its economy. This has reignited the popular unrest within Iran that emerged early in Obama's term as president and which he unfortunately ignored. Now it is reemerging with anti regime demonstrations across the country - demonstrations that were suppressed with about 1,200 civilian deaths inflicted by the Same Quds Force whose commander we just killed.

My point is the situation with Iran has been dangerous for a long time, and it is no more so now. Indeed, given the serious economic and political issues its regime faces now, Iran's ability to harm our interests is far less than it has been in several decades.
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coldjoint
 
  0  
Fri 3 Jan, 2020 03:08 pm
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CBS: Soleimani Was a ‘Revered,’ ‘Inspiring’ ‘Military Genius’

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The journalists at CBS just couldn’t help themselves with the flowery language for dead terrorist Qasem Soleimani. This Morning reporter Holly Williams described the man who ordered the killing of U.S. military members as a “revered,” “inspiring” “military genius.” She blandly understated, “For America, though, General Soleimani was a problem.”

The MSM is an anti-American propaganda machine. Are we supposed to feel something for a murderer of not only Americans but many innocent Muslims? The right thing was done and the lies and excuses cannot change that fact. Terrorists have left the civilized world with only one choice and that is to kill them.

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revelette3
 
  3  
Fri 3 Jan, 2020 03:14 pm
@coldjoint,
What you don't seem to differentiate is the difference between a state recognized army and a terrorist group. I am not talking about wrong or right, but just a difference which makes a huge difference in possible consequences.

The Soleimani Assassination Is America’s Most Consequential Strike This Century
The U.S. attack against the top Iranian general will have far greater repercussions than the killings of al-Qaeda and ISIS leaders.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Fri 3 Jan, 2020 03:14 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
So children and women who are under the control of their men an or other armed men for that matter are somehow guilty an therefore should be killed as it is their faults also?????

Collateral damage is a part of war. And you are the person who was just complaining about our use of technologies that greatly reduce collateral damage.


BillRM wrote:
Sorry but the US government hands is no more clean then the hands of the Iran government

That is incorrect. The US' hands are perfectly clean.

Iran has slaughtered hundreds of American soldiers over the years (thousands even, if we count Iraq, and we should), and let's not forget all the kidnappings and hostages.


BillRM wrote:
so if large number of US women and children are killed as a result of being too near targets that is just too damn bad by your logic.

Collateral damage is a part of war. But what targets are we talking about here? What do you envision Iran attacking?
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Fri 3 Jan, 2020 03:18 pm
@revelette3,
revelette3 wrote:
What you don't seem to differentiate is the difference between a state recognized army and a terrorist group. I am not talking about wrong or right, but just a difference which makes a huge difference in possible consequences.

Iran is the enemy here. We attacked our enemy. We did good.
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Fri 3 Jan, 2020 03:19 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
So children and women who are under the control of their men

Why don't you blame the real problem, Islam? Many are just as fanatical and that includes women children being taught to hate and kill.
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What Ahlam Tamimi
Teaches Us about Islam

Here is a woman on the meaning of Islam.
https://thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/ahlam-tamimi-haj.aspx
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BillW
 
  2  
Fri 3 Jan, 2020 03:21 pm
@revelette3,
rev/BillRM, the person must the capability 1st. When you deal with someone with a grade school education, you can't expect much. Just saying......

Watch, now comes the school boy bully put down; you know, I'm rubber, your glue! Blah, blah, blah.
 

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