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coldjoint
 
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Wed 1 Jan, 2020 08:20 pm
@Builder,
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I feel totes ripped off by Cenk.

There is a group committed to getting socialists elected in the democratic party. He is part of that group. It is rumored he choose AOC not for political savvy but for star power. She definitely got everyone's attention. He was also behind the other three members of the "squad".
oralloy
 
  1  
Wed 1 Jan, 2020 08:26 pm
@coldjoint,
History will remember this group as "the group that kept the Democratic Party out of the White House for decades".
coldjoint
 
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Wed 1 Jan, 2020 08:37 pm
@oralloy,
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"the group that kept the Democratic Party out of the White House for decades"

I have a hunch Nikki Haley will run on Trump policies and be the first woman president in 2024. Of course, who knows, but it will be Republican.
oralloy
 
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Wed 1 Jan, 2020 08:50 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
it will be Republican.

I agree. The Democrats have no chance of retaking the White House before 2036, and maybe not even then.

When the Democrats do eventually win another presidential election, it will only be after they have purged all of the progressive extremists from their party and returned to sensible moderation.
coldjoint
 
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Wed 1 Jan, 2020 08:58 pm
@oralloy,
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The Democrats have no chance of retaking the White House before 2036, and maybe not even then.

The Nostradamus people say he said California will sink into the ocean this year after a major earthquake. They even gave a date, between June and July.
blatham
 
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Wed 1 Jan, 2020 09:12 pm
@georgeob1,
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You might want to stop into a bar frequented by the loggers and try some of your elitist BS on them.
In the town where I grew up, the logging industry was one of the dependable sources of work for young men. I've been drinking with these guys since I was 15. Two of the men attending a new years eve party I visited last night had worked in the industry throughout their adult lives. But by all means, do tell me more about loggers and how they and I might get on in conversation. I'm all ears.
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blatham
 
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Wed 1 Jan, 2020 09:27 pm
Last Sunday, Chuck Todd at Meet the Press had Marty Baron (Washington post) and Dean Baquet (NYT) as guests. The theme was Alternative Facts and the assault on truth. There's rather a lot to think about in the transcript It's Here but I wanted to post a quote from Marty Baron:
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"How do you address beliefs, when they're not rooted in reality? How do you tell someone, 'I'm trying to treat your fears seriously. But your facts don't exist?' How, as individuals, and how, as a country?"
Todd gives the example of the commonplace right wing notion from just a few years ago that Sharia Law is coming to America! It is a very apt example of the thing.

I'll add a bit more to help convince you to read this transcript:
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CHUCK TODD:

All right, but here's a challenge for both of you, Marty first, to you, and then Dean. I want to put up this poll number. When, when folks were asked, in a CBS poll, where do they go for trusted information, among Trump supporters, they cited the president himself. 91% of Trump supporters said he, he’s -- that's where they go for accurate information, fact checks be damned here.

MARTY BARON:

Well, that's true. And I think that's the way the president would like to have it. He has described us as the opposition party. That goes all the way back to the presidential campaign. He wants us to be perceived as the opposition party, and so that people will dismiss anything that we, anything that we have to say. He wants to disqualify the mainstream media as an arbiter of, as an arbiter of facts and of truth. And he wants to disqualify others. He wants to disqualify the courts. He wants to disqualify historians. He wants to disqualify scientists, any independent source of information.


Edit: My apologies. I'd posted the above prior to reading the full transcript and I had not realized the major portion of it would involve other topics. The interview with Baron and Baquet was short and it was shallow.

What should he have done? First, dedicated the full hour to this critically important issue. Second, invited media critic Jay Rosen to attend as well.

coldjoint
 
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Wed 1 Jan, 2020 09:39 pm
@blatham,
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"How do you address beliefs, when they're not rooted in reality?

Looks like Chuck Todd knows nothing about Islam in Western Europe. It is a reality.
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oralloy
 
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Wed 1 Jan, 2020 10:13 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
The Nostradamus people say he said California will sink into the ocean this year after a major earthquake. They even gave a date, between June and July.

Nostradamus' predictions are usually pretty vague. If someone thinks that they have wrung a specific date and location out of his writings, they are probably making a lot of assumptions about the meaning of vague words.
coldjoint
 
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Wed 1 Jan, 2020 10:19 pm
@oralloy,
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Nostradamus' predictions are usually pretty vague.

I am not expecting it to happen. Some people are. I'll leave it at that. Cool
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Builder
 
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Thu 2 Jan, 2020 03:59 am
@oralloy,
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If someone thinks that they have wrung a specific date and location out of his writings, they are probably making a lot of assumptions about the meaning of vague words.


Sounds a lot like today's Christians, and their hazy and rather selective sampling of "the good book".
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Builder
 
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Thu 2 Jan, 2020 05:07 am
@coldjoint,
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There is a group committed to getting socialists elected in the democratic party. He is part of that group.


I'd need a clear definition of what is considered to be "socialist" to your understanding.

It's clear that Cenk has an agenda, and is part of the NeverTrump team, but I don't watch enough of his now-tainted guff to get a handle on where his agenda is heading.

Many capitalist nations have socialist policies in place, and that works out fine.

I'd hesitate to call US food stamps socialist; more like keeping the poor from eating the rich, so more like preventative charity.

Taxpayer funded health insurance, and subsidised medication is good, though.

We all pay a percentage of our income (over a threshold) in tax to cover these benefits.
hightor
 
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Thu 2 Jan, 2020 05:34 am
@Builder,
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It's clear that Cenk has an agenda, and is part of the NeverTrump team...


You're mistaken; "Never Trump" refers to conservative Republicans who opposed Trump not Democrats and socialists.

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The Never Trump movement, also called the #nevertrump, Stop Trump, anti-Trump, or Dump Trump movement, began as an effort on the part of a group of Republicans and other prominent conservatives (known as Never Trump Republicans) to prevent Republican front-runner and now President of the United States Donald Trump from obtaining the Republican Party presidential nomination and following his nomination the presidency for the 2016 United States presidential election. Trump remained unsupported by 20 percent of Republican members of Congress in the general election. Following Trump's election in November 2016, some in the movement refocused their efforts on defeating Trump in 2020.

wikipedia
farmerman
 
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Thu 2 Jan, 2020 05:48 am
@coldjoint,
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Does that mean I can say "your ass sucks cottonwood" instead of you are full of it, metaphorically
.

Actually theres nothing remotely metaphorical about that phrase. Sounds more like some adolescent "shout-out" when one is unable to cobble up something a lot more intelligent.
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Builder
 
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Thu 2 Jan, 2020 06:01 am
@hightor,
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"Never Trump" refers to conservative Republicans who opposed Trump not Democrats and socialists.


You can keep pushing that **** cart all the way to 2024, but you're part of that team.

Live it.

Wikipedia disagrees.
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Some members of the Never Trump movement endorsed alternative candidates in the general election, such as Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton, Libertarian nominee Gary Johnson, independent conservative Evan McMullin and American Solidarity Party nominee Mike Maturen.[16][17]


But wait!, there's more.....

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On December 11, Jim Himes, a Democratic member of the House of Representatives, wrote on Twitter that the Electoral College should not elect Trump: "We're 5 wks from Inauguration & the President Elect is completely unhinged. The Electoral College must do what it was designed for".[89] In a December 12 interview on CNN's New Day, Himes said he was troubled by several actions by the President-elect. The issue that "pushed [him] over the edge" was Trump's criticism of the CIA and the intelligence community. The Congressman did admit Trump won "fair and square", but he said that Trump proved himself unfit for public office. He cited the intentions behind the creation of the Electoral College and argued that it was created for an instance such as the election of Trump.[90]


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In the end, efforts to persuade more electors to vote against Trump ultimately failed and Trump won 304 electors on December 19. Trump's electoral lead over Clinton even grew because a larger number of electors defected from her: Trump received 304 of his 306 pledged electors, Clinton 227 of her 232.[91]

In a National Review article titled "Never Trump Nevermore", Jonah Goldberg stated:

I'm going to call 'em like I see 'em and wait and see if I was wrong about Trump. [...] The thing is: Never Trump is over. Never Trump was about the GOP primary and the general election, not the presidency. The Left wants to claim it must be a permanent movement, denying the legitimacy of Trump's election forever, or we were never serious. Well, that's not what we—or at least I—signed up for. [...] I'll say it again: I'm going to call 'em like I see 'em and wait and see if I was wrong about Trump. So far, I've said that most of his cabinet picks have been a pleasant and welcome surprise. But he's also done plenty of things that make me feel like I had him pegged all along. We only have one president at a time—and the guy isn't even president yet. I'll give him a chance. But I won't lie for him either.[92]

Since the election, other Republicans who had resisted Trump's candidacy, such as South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham have since declared their support for his presidency.[93] Since taking office, Trump's job approval among self-described Republicans has been consistently at or near 90 percent.[94]
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blatham
 
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Thu 2 Jan, 2020 06:24 am
@hightor,
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You're mistaken; "Never Trump" refers to conservative Republicans who opposed Trump not Democrats and socialists.
What media diet would result in builder not knowing this?
Builder
 
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Thu 2 Jan, 2020 06:29 am
@blatham,
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What media diet would result in builder not knowing this?


Comprehension is clearly not your strong point, Bazza?

source

In a National Review article titled "Never Trump Nevermore", Jonah Goldberg stated:

I'm going to call 'em like I see 'em and wait and see if I was wrong about Trump. [...] The thing is: Never Trump is over. Never Trump was about the GOP primary and the general election, not the presidency. The Left wants to claim it must be a permanent movement, denying the legitimacy of Trump's election forever, or we were never serious. Well, that's not what we—or at least I—signed up for. [...] I'll say it again: I'm going to call 'em like I see 'em and wait and see if I was wrong about Trump. So far, I've said that most of his cabinet picks have been a pleasant and welcome surprise. But he's also done plenty of things that make me feel like I had him pegged all along. We only have one president at a time—and the guy isn't even president yet. I'll give him a chance. But I won't lie for him either.[92]
farmerman
 
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Thu 2 Jan, 2020 06:32 am
@Builder,
ACtually, denial of fact is your biggest talent .
From Wikipedia's Opening pqragraphs regarding the "Never Trump" movement, It was a GOP movement entirely. I dont think any Dem hqd to go around stating the obvious.

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The Never Trump movement, also called the #nevertrump, Stop Trump, anti-Trump, or Dump Trump movement,[1] began as an effort on the part of a group of Republicans and other prominent conservatives (known as Never Trump Republicans) to prevent Republican front-runner and now President of the United States Donald Trump from obtaining the Republican Party presidential nomination and following his nomination the presidency for the 2016 United States presidential election. Trump remained unsupported by 20 percent of Republican members of Congress in the general election.[2] Following Trump's election in November 2016, some in the movement refocused their efforts on defeating Trump in 2020.[3]
blatham
 
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Thu 2 Jan, 2020 06:40 am
@farmerman,
Rather amazing he'd submit that link as supportive of his earlier statement.

"No humans have ever grown taller than six feet. To prove this, I'll now present a photograph of the Boston Celtics. So there, blatham!"
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blatham
 
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Thu 2 Jan, 2020 06:53 am
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Laurence Leamer, the author of “Mar-a-Lago: Inside the Gates of Power at Donald Trump's Presidential Palace,” said one reason that Trump is in a better mood at the Palm Beach resort is because no members or visitors to Mar-a-Lago challenge Trump directly when they’re at his resort. Leamer noted that numerous one-time members who object to Trump’s policies resigned over their political differences.

“He can’t stand to be criticized or challenged. And when he asks you, ‘How am I doing?’ you just say ‘You’re doing great,’ that’s it, that’s what he wants to hear,” said Leamer, who has talked with Trump many times at Mar-a-Lago over the years.

“The people around him are increasingly the true believers and it’s almost like a religious revival when he shows up there. They jump up and down, they shout, they scream his praises,” he added.
Politico

I hope no alien civilizations have the capacity to observe us. That would be so embarrassing.

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