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BillW
 
  2  
Tue 10 Dec, 2019 07:21 pm
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:

oralloy wrote:
No it isn't. What part of the obstruction statutes outlaw "disagreeing with the extent of Congress' authority and letting the courts decide"?


Actually, we have three co-equal branches of government. Letting the Courts decide is one way. Another is detain and arrest. And then there's this version, hold the President accountable for Obstruction of Justice, since Trump doesn't understand he isn't the above the law.

The United States Constitution provides that the House of Representatives "shall have the sole Power of Impeachment" (Article I, section 2).......
coldjoint
 
  0  
Tue 10 Dec, 2019 07:24 pm
@BillW,
Quote:
The United States Constitution provides that the House of Representatives "shall have the sole Power of Impeachment" (Article I, section 2).......

Does it also say they have no more power than the executive branch? You bet it does.
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georgeob1
 
  1  
Tue 10 Dec, 2019 07:28 pm
@blatham,
Hi to you, Bernie.as well. My best wishes to you for the approaching Christmas season.

"psychoanalyst in a movie theater" was pretty good. However detecting the compulsive projection of contemporary Democrats requires no skill at all, It is vividly obvious. It's most interesting feature is that in their derangement they don't see it themselves.
blatham
 
  1  
Tue 10 Dec, 2019 07:30 pm
I just want to note here how excited and proud I am that America will now have a Space Force with uniforms designed by Ivanka Trump working with a team of Church of Scientology Sea Org missionaries.
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coldjoint
 
  1  
Tue 10 Dec, 2019 07:32 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
You'd think maybe that might be important information for everyone to know.

Gates put Manafort in jail. It never touched Trump. Who cares?
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blatham
 
  1  
Tue 10 Dec, 2019 07:41 pm
@georgeob1,
Best of the season to you as well. Just went shopping for twin brother's grandkids (two pairs, 5 and 7 both) who attend our festivities and found a perfect gift that shoots whipped cream pies into the target's face. My gift-buying motto is, "**** what the mothers think".

Re projection, we're in something akin to a mirror world here, you and I. There'll be no resolution until you spring for some Windex, you cheap bastard.
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BillW
 
  2  
Tue 10 Dec, 2019 07:44 pm
Quote:

Federal judge blocks use of billions of dollars in Pentagon funds to build border wall

A federal judge in Texas blocked the Trump administration from using billions of dollars in Pentagon funds for the construction of the border wall.

Judge David Briones of the US District Court for the Western District of Texas said Tuesday that the administration cannot use military construction funds to build additional barriers on the southern border.

The ruling is a setback for the administration, which has sought to shore up money for the President's signature campaign promise of a border wall, and marks yet another high-profile blow the courts have dealt Trump of late on key issues, including his immigration policies and his fight to not turn his tax returns over to Congress. It targets only one set of Pentagon funds, however, leaving in place the money the Supreme Court allowed to be used earlier this year.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/10/politics/federal-judge-military-construction-border/index.html
blatham
 
  1  
Tue 10 Dec, 2019 07:55 pm
Trump today on Christopher Wray:
Quote:
"You have great people in the FBI, but not in leadership. You have not good people in leadership."

Quote:
Steve Benen
@stevebenen
As Trump trashes the "not good people" in the FBI's leadership, note the FBI's current director, deputy director, associate deputy director, and chief of staff are all Trump-era appointees.

Golly. How to make sense of this...?
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blatham
 
  2  
Tue 10 Dec, 2019 08:15 pm
Here's how you can tell that Trump's work is the work of Jesus
Quote:
A group of doctors showed up at a Border Patrol detention facility to provide free flu vaccines for 100 migrant kids.

The doctors said it would take a half hour.

Three kids have died from the flu in federal custody.

The doctors were refused entry.
Here
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oralloy
 
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Tue 10 Dec, 2019 08:35 pm
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:
Actually, we have three co-equal branches of government. Letting the Courts decide is one way. Another is detain and arrest.

Arrest for what? It's not a crime for the President to disagree about the extent of Congress' authority and let the courts decide.


neptuneblue wrote:
And then there's this version, hold the President accountable for Obstruction of Justice,

It's not obstruction of justice for the President to disagree about the extent of Congress' authority and let the courts decide.


neptuneblue wrote:
since Trump doesn't understand he isn't the above the law.

Mr. Trump didn't break the law by disagreeing about the extent of Congress' authority and letting the courts decide.

The Democrats have already set a precedent with Bill Clinton that a $25,000 fine is an adequate remedy for presidential obstruction of justice. So if it had actually been the case that Mr. Trump had obstructed justice, the appropriate remedy would be a $25,000 fine.
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oralloy
 
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Tue 10 Dec, 2019 08:39 pm
@BillW,
Quote:
Federal judge blocks use of billions of dollars in Pentagon funds to build border wall

It's still hard to believe that the Democrats screwed over the Dreamers and refused to offer Mr. Trump his border wall funding in exchange for immigration reform.
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oralloy
 
  0  
Tue 10 Dec, 2019 08:51 pm
@hightor,

By my recollection, Trump has ended up winning a number of these cases once they get to the Supreme Court.
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oralloy
 
  0  
Tue 10 Dec, 2019 08:53 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
The big scam
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Pay for NRA executives surges as gun rights group cuts key program funds
The tax filing also showed perks for top officials that are typically associated with the corporate world, including charter and first-class travel with companions as well as dues for health or social clubs.
WP
Corruption is endemic in the modern right.

The freedom haters must sure think that we're gullible if they think that we're going to fall for their demonization of the people who defend our civil liberties.
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oralloy
 
  0  
Tue 10 Dec, 2019 08:54 pm
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:
The NRA is the gun manufacturing industrys advertising section.

No they aren't. The manufacturers are represented by the NSSF.

The NRA is a civil liberties organization, much like the ACLU pretends to be.
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blatham
 
  1  
Tue 10 Dec, 2019 08:55 pm
Voices From the Right, episode big number
Quote:
BUSH WHITE HOUSE ETHICS LAWYER CALLS TRUMPS 'AN ORGANIZED CRIME FAMILY': 'GO AFTER ALL OF THEM'
Link

coldjoint
 
  0  
Tue 10 Dec, 2019 09:01 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
BUSH WHITE HOUSE ETHICS LAWYER CALLS TRUMPS 'AN ORGANIZED CRIME FAMILY': 'GO AFTER ALL OF THEM'

That guy is an idiot. This is your source.
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georgeob1
 
  2  
Tue 10 Dec, 2019 09:05 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

The Democrats didn't just start making politically-motivated investigations when Mr. Trump was elected.

The witch hunts against Nixon, against Reagan (Iran/Contra), and against W (the Plame hysteria) were also politically motivated.


I suspect it's a persistent left wing illusion. If you are convinced your intentions to save mankind from the follies and suffering - that you assume are the inescapable and exclusive results of human freedom - transcend all other considerations, and that your virtue in this effort justifies whatever actions may appear required to achieve your illusory authoritarian paradise, you are also able to easily able to distort logic, law and justice to achieve your ends. It is the presumed virtue of their supposed good intentions that enables them to so easily indulge in lies, distortion of law and prescribed legal practice , and fail to see the obvious hypocrisy in their actions, and the stunning fact that they themselves embody nearly all the failings and faults they wrongfully attribute to their opponents
georgeob1
 
  2  
Tue 10 Dec, 2019 09:07 pm
@blatham,
That's unnecessarily offensive. You should be ashamed at the the self-righteous hypocrisy to which you so readily stoop.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Tue 10 Dec, 2019 09:08 pm
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:
oralloy wrote:
neptuneblue wrote:
Refusal to appear based on a presidential order IS the classic definition of obstruction.

No it isn't. What part of the obstruction statutes outlaw "disagreeing with the extent of Congress' authority and letting the courts decide"?

Actually, we have three co-equal branches of government. Letting the Courts decide is one way. Another is detain and arrest. And then there's this version, hold the President accountable for Obstruction of Justice, since Trump doesn't understand he isn't the above the law.

None of that answers the question What part of the obstruction statutes outlaw "disagreeing with the extent of Congress' authority and letting the courts decide"?
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Tue 10 Dec, 2019 09:35 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
None of that answers the question What part of the obstruction statutes outlaw "disagreeing with the extent of Congress' authority and letting the courts decide"?

Why do they say Trump is above the law when they will not obey the Constitution and let the judicial branch decide? That puts them in the same boat. They truly do not think.
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