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coldjoint
 
  0  
Tue 10 Dec, 2019 06:01 pm
@BillW,
Quote:
So many obvious lies and total obfuscations!

Tells us all of them.
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oralloy
 
  0  
Tue 10 Dec, 2019 06:02 pm
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:
Refusal to appear based on a presidential order IS the classic definition of obstruction.

No it isn't. What part of the obstruction statutes outlaw "disagreeing with the extent of Congress' authority and letting the courts decide"?
oralloy
 
  -1  
Tue 10 Dec, 2019 06:03 pm
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:
Please explain how Trump's obstruction of justice by blocking people to testify in front of a lawful Congressional hearing is not an impeachable offense.

First, the Democrats have already established with Bill Clinton that obstruction of justice does not justify removing a president from office. The appropriate remedy if Mr. Trump had actually obstructed justice would be a $25,000 fine.

Second, "disagreeing with the extent of Congress' authority and letting the courts decide" is not obstruction of justice.
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blatham
 
  3  
Tue 10 Dec, 2019 06:08 pm
Quote:
This is how it works. The big lie. The endless spin. The outright denial of facts. Again and again and again. The complete destruction and devaluation of truth for political gain. Overwhelm reality with fiction, concoctions, and false narratives. Embrace deceit and duplicity.

For rogues, scoundrels, tyrants, princes and princesses of corruption—and their henchmen—the truth is a threat. It must be crushed. It must be vanquished. Abuse of power cannot exist alongside accountability. Malefactors cannot survive within an atmosphere of truth. It is a suffocating poison for them. So they must deceive, and they must dissemble. That is what the United States’ top law enforcement officer demonstrated this week.

Following the release of the Justice Department inspector general’s report on the origins and management of the Trump-Russia investigation, Attorney General William Barr went into full Oceania war-is-peace mode to erase truth in order to protect and soothe his dear leader, Donald Trump. Moments after the report appeared—it concludes the FBI had been right to open an investigation of interactions between Trump associates and Russia in 2016, as Moscow was attacking the US election to help Trump win the White House—Barr challenged the findings. He declared that he knew better than the IG and that the FBI had launched the probe “on the thinnest of suspicions that, in my view, were insufficient to justify the steps taken.” Barr noted that his own hand-picked federal prosecutor, John Durham, would be conducting a separate review and have the final word. And the next day, Barr continued his brazen campaign of disinformation. In an interview with NBC News, he called the FBI investigation “completely baseless.” Barr depicted the probe as a “danger” to civil liberties and the American political system. He was twisting up into down...
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Tue 10 Dec, 2019 06:10 pm
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:
You should deal with the fact Trump broke the law by bribing a foreign government to dig up dirt on a political rival and withholding aid until they announced a fake investigation.

Not a fact. There is no proof that the investigation of the Biden crime family was politically motivated.

And if politically motivated investigations are wrong, then we need to start by cracking down on all of the politically-motivated investigations waged by the Democratic Party.


neptuneblue wrote:
You should also deal with the fact Trump obstructed justice by telling key witnesses to ignore a lawful subpoena to appear before Congress.

It is not obstruction of justice for the President to disagree with the extent of Congress' authority and let the courts decide.

But if Mr. Trump had actually obstructed justice, it would be fair to limit his punishment to the same $25,000 fine that Bill Clinton paid for obstructing justice.
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georgeob1
 
  1  
Tue 10 Dec, 2019 06:24 pm
@blatham,
What is truly remarkable here is the intense projection of the apparent motives and observable behavior of the Democrats since the 2016 election onto their political opponents.
blatham
 
  3  
Tue 10 Dec, 2019 06:31 pm
@georgeob1,
Hi george
I'm not sure you'd recognize projection if you were a psychoanalyst in a movie theater.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Tue 10 Dec, 2019 06:33 pm
@georgeob1,
The Democrats didn't just start making politically-motivated investigations when Mr. Trump was elected.

The witch hunts against Nixon, against Reagan (Iran/Contra), and against W (the Plame hysteria) were also politically motivated.
blatham
 
  5  
Tue 10 Dec, 2019 06:35 pm
If you've wondered whether propaganda can be effective...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzpklkoWEAA8J5o?format=jpg&name=small
BillW
 
  2  
Tue 10 Dec, 2019 06:38 pm
@blatham,
Unbelievable; however, I had already suspected as such!
blatham
 
  2  
Tue 10 Dec, 2019 06:41 pm
@BillW,
Yes. And notice the disparity on who has been targeted and influenced. 10 pts versus 45 pts.
McGentrix
 
  0  
Tue 10 Dec, 2019 06:46 pm
@BillW,
BillW wrote:

more people have been killed in the named of Jesus than any or reason.


Muhammad (PBUH) would probably argue with you about that.
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blatham
 
  2  
Tue 10 Dec, 2019 06:47 pm
Quote:
Steve Vladeck
@steve_vladeck
Barr: It's deeply offensive to our civil liberties for a presidential administration to investigate its potential successors and/or try to interfere in an election.

Also Barr: The President was absolutely within his rights to ask Ukraine for help digging up dirt on the Bidens.


Now there's an unbiased and objective legal mind at work.
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blatham
 
  2  
Tue 10 Dec, 2019 07:02 pm
'Tis the season for nativity scenes celebrating the promise of loving families and the the mercy of Jesus.

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1204031969576665094/IANkMiHC?format=jpg&name=900x900

coldjoint
 
  0  
Tue 10 Dec, 2019 07:06 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
'Tis the season for nativity scenes celebrating the promise of loving families and the the mercy of Jesus.

Obama built those cages, not Trump. You must know that is an outright lie. He also enforced the same laws Obama should have. The church is way off base and I am sure people have told them they are dividing people even more. Maybe they are Russian assets.
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blatham
 
  2  
Tue 10 Dec, 2019 07:11 pm
Well, **** me sideways
Quote:
Josh Marshall
@joshtpm
White House says Trump to discuss "election security" with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.
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BillW
 
  2  
Tue 10 Dec, 2019 07:14 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Yes. And notice the disparity on who has been targeted and influenced. 10 pts versus 45 pts.

Numbers and statistics are my majors - interpretation is my expertise. Ummmm, yes!
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blatham
 
  2  
Tue 10 Dec, 2019 07:15 pm
Yes. This is precisely Dobbs' argument
Quote:
Paul Waldman
@paulwaldman1
My favorite reaction to the IG report is Lou Dobbs saying that because it refuted the idea of a Deep State conspiracy against Trump, that proves it was engineered by the Deep State conspiracy against Trump:
MM
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neptuneblue
 
  1  
Tue 10 Dec, 2019 07:16 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
No it isn't. What part of the obstruction statutes outlaw "disagreeing with the extent of Congress' authority and letting the courts decide"?


Actually, we have three co-equal branches of government. Letting the Courts decide is one way. Another is detain and arrest. And then there's this version, hold the President accountable for Obstruction of Justice, since Trump doesn't understand he isn't the above the law.
blatham
 
  2  
Tue 10 Dec, 2019 07:21 pm
Quote:
Prosecutors noted that Gates, who is due to be sentenced Dec. 17, continued to cooperate with special counsel Robert Mueller and investigators even after receiving “pressure not to cooperate ... including assurances of monetary assistance.”

They did not detail who made those “assurances” of monentary help to Gates.
CNBC

You'd think maybe that might be important information for everyone to know.
 

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