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@MontereyJack,

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Far right lemmings hate facts.

You have no facts. You have presumptions and a huge propaganda machine we call the MSM.

@coldjoint,

Your screed was nonsense. blatham's post before it revealed the far right's inability to face facts when they disagree with uber-rightist ideology and conspiracy theories. Your anti-soros conspiracy theory is nonsense.

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Read the Articles of Impeachment
Against President Trump NYT

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@revelette3,

Yawn.

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@coldjoint,

Actually more Americans are in favor of impeachment overall, but in the battleground states, you are correct, those opposed are slightly higher than those against. However, in some battleground states, support is slightly higher such as Florida and Michigan, in Penn. it is dead even.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/12/03/democrats_gamble_on_yuletide_impeachment_141876.html

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In the end, the politics of it doesn't matter. So far there has not a good defense of the charges made against Trump. I haven't heard or read anyone besides Trump saying the call was a perfect call. I haven't heard anyone say it was ok for Trump to hold aide and a WH visit over the head of the leader of Ukraine's head unless he announced a investigation into the Biden's and the 2016 election. All I have read or head was democrats can't prove it because Trump did give the money, Pence met with the leader, and an investigation into the 2016 wasn't announced. Republican's defense boils down to this, Trump did not use the words "quid pro quo" and in the end, he wasn't successful so there is no crime and Ukraine didn't feel pressure from the Trump administration.

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@revelette3,

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So far there has not a good defense of the charges made against Trump.

That is because the majority in the House blocked any defense. A child could see that. Get one, and have him or her explain it to you.

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@Brand X,

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The groundwork has been laid so that no matter which side loses in 2020 the losers can claim the election was tainted.

When the House flips, which is very likely, and Trump is re-elected the constant whine will continue but will not have much behind it.

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@MontereyJack,

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blatham's post

I disregard anything Blatham says, he has been proven to be a liar on the grandest scale, I suggest you do the same.

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@coldjoint,

How about you mounting a defense, here in this thread, of the actual charges made against Trump, without using whataboutisms.

Just answer if Trump was correct in asking the leader of Ukraine for a "favor though" was correct or not. Answer whether any president and/or person has the right to ignore congressional subpoenas and refuse to hand over related document requested by congress or to participate in the investigation thereof. Saying the process is unfair is not a defense. Moreover, it wasn't unfair.

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IG Report Confirms Schiff FISA Memo Media Praised Was Riddled With Lies

Certainly no surprise here.

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The Democratic minority on the committee, then led by Rep. Adam Schiff, put out a response memo with competing claims:

FBI and DOJ officials did not omit material information from the FISA warrant.
The DOJ “made only narrow use of information from Steele’s sources about Page’s specific activities in 2016.”
In subsequent FISA renewals, DOJ provided additional information that corroborated Steele’s reporting.
The Page FISA warrant allowed the FBI to collect “valuable intelligence.”
“Far from ‘omitting’ material facts about Steele, as the Majority claims, DOJ repeatedly informed the Court about Steele’s background, credibility, and potential bias.”
The FBI conducted a “rigorous process” to vet Steele’s allegations, and the Page FISA application explained the FBI’s reasonable basis for finding Steele credible.
Steele’s prior reporting was used in “criminal proceedings.”

Each of these claims were found by Horowitz to be false.

Schiff is a disgrace and should be chasing ambulances instead of serving in Congress.
https://thefederalist.com/2019/12/10/ig-report-confirms-schiff-fisa-memo-media-praised-was-riddled-with-lies/

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Nothing more perfectly embodies the Democratic party than announcing articles of impeachment and a huge deal with the President on his single biggest priority on the same day

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@coldjoint,

coldjoint wrote:

That is because the majority in the House blocked any defense. A child could see that. Get one, and have him or her explain it to you.

Please explain how Trump's obstruction of justice by blocking people to testify in front of a lawful Congressional hearing is not an impeachable offense.

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https://canadafreepress.com/images/uploads/sher121019.jpg

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@neptuneblue,

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Trump's obstruction of justice by blocking people to testify in front of a lawful Congressional hearing is not an impeachable offense.

Because of executive privilege. Obama used it in " Fast and Furious". I do not remember Obama being impeached. It is a Constitutional protection and perfectly legal. Democrats are ignoring that and abusing their power as the majority in the House. Those are the facts. They needed to get judicial approval to enforce those subpoenas, which they did not do.

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@coldjoint,

Executive Privilege means a person doesn't recount sensitive material, not refuse to appear. Refusal to appear based on a presidential order IS the classic definition of obstruction.

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Trump pays $2 million in damages ordered by judge over misuse of charity funds, according to NY attorney general

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President Trump has paid $2 million in court-ordered damages for misusing funds in a tax-exempt charity he controlled, the New York attorney general said Tuesday.

The payment was ordered last month by a New York state judge in an extraordinary rebuke to a sitting president. Trump had been sued in 2018 by the New York attorney general, who alleged that the president had illegally used funds from the Donald J. Trump Foundation to buy portraits of himself, pay off his businesses’ legal obligations and help his 2016 campaign.

The money was split among eight charities, according to a statement from New York Attorney General Letitia James (D). The charities were the Army Emergency Relief, the Children’s Aid Society, Citymeals-on-Wheels, Give an Hour, Martha’s Table, the United Negro College Fund, the United Way of National Capital Area, and the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, according to the statement.

In addition, Trump agreed to distribute the remaining $1.8 million left in the Donald J. Trump Foundation to the same eight charities. In all, each charity received $476,140.41.
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Now, the foundation will be shuttered. But the consequences of this case will linger for Trump. Under the terms of the settlement, he has agreed to special supervision if he ever returns to charity work in New York.

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@Walter Hinteler,

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Trump pays $2 million in damages ordered by judge over misuse of charity funds, according to NY attorney general

So? A crime and a fine to be paid. The end.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Can you imagine the sanctimonious drivel that would spew forth from the Republicans if Obama did this.

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@eurocelticyankee,

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Can you imagine

4 more years of Trump? Does not matter, that is what you are going to get.

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