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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2019 05:53 pm
From Nunes, testimony taken under oath "in the basement" is invalid because it is done "secretly" (even if Nunes himself was a key player in Benghazi investigations in the same room under exactly the same conditions).

And now, when testimony is given under oath and in front of widely broadcast television, that's invalid because it is "a show trial".

So, he's an honest guy.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2019 05:54 pm
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Holmes testified that he asked Sondland why Trump did not "give a s--t about Ukraine."

Holmes said Sondland responded Trump only cares about "big stuff." When Holmes said that the Ukraine war was big, Sondland "big stuff" that benefits the President, like the Biden investigation
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2019 05:58 pm
Let's review:

We have Manafort convicted of felonies.
We have Cohen convicted of felonies.
We have Stone convicted of felonies.
We have Flynn convicted of felonies.
Rudy not yet but we likely won't have long to wait.

But it would be such a slander to say that Trump's inner circle was about as corrupt as it gets.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2019 06:04 pm
@blatham,
When Durham's report comes out we will see some more convictions.
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BillW
 
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Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2019 06:40 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Let's review:

We have Manafort convicted of felonies.
We have Cohen convicted of felonies.
We have Stone convicted of felonies.
We have Flynn convicted of felonies.
Rudy not yet but we likely won't have long to wait.

But it would be such a slander to say that Trump's inner circle was about as corrupt as it gets.



Missing Rick Gates from inner circle and Papadopoulos and I don't mean Gnossos - George.

Gnossos is one of my favorite characters of all time from "Been Down So Long It Looks Like Up to Me".
blatham
 
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Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2019 06:51 pm
@BillW,
Gates' charges were withdrawn in plea bargain. But the indictment was for criminal acts including money laundering, false statements and conspiracy against the US.

Papadopoulos pleaded guilty to making false statements (about contacts between Russia and the Trump campaign). He did 12 days.

But yeah, they're in this circle as well.
BillW
 
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Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2019 06:59 pm
@blatham,
Gates' goes before a Judge now for sentencing; I had to mention Papadopoulos to get in my mention of Gnossos. He after all participated in the Cuban Revolution and the book was written by Richard Fariña.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2019 07:01 pm
I like that Rudy said he has insurance against being thrown under the bus.
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2019 07:01 pm
@BillW,
Gotcha. Thanks.
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2019 07:10 pm
Quote:
Transcript Shows WH Made Up Details of Trump’s Zelensky Call

The release of the transcript of President Donald Trump’s first call in April with Ukrainian President-elect Volodomyr Zelensky was meant to bolster the case that Trump had nothing but good intentions in his dealings with Ukraine—but it also showed a White House summary of the same call released to the public shortly after it occurred was largely fabricated.

The White House readout, a summary of the call released hours after it occurred, claimed Trump “underscored the unwavering support of the United States for Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity—within its internationally recognized borders—and expressed his commitment to work together with President-elect Zelensky and the Ukrainian people to implement reforms that strengthen democracy, increase prosperity, and root out corruption.”

Such statements are nowhere to be found in the transcript of the call released by the president on Friday. That transcript shows Trump congratulating Zelensky on his recent election win, promising to arrange a White House visit for him, and recounting the large number of Ukrainian women who participated in Trump’s Miss Universe competitions.

Nowhere does Trump mention efforts to address Ukrainian corruption, economic prosperity, or democratic institutions. Nor does he even allude to its efforts to beat back the Russian occupation of the Ukrainian territory of Crimea.
LINK

Not that this administration is crammed full of lying shitbags or anything.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2019 07:17 pm
@blatham,

Quote:
Not that this administration is crammed full of lying shitbags or anything.

Again, talking about liars is not what you should do. It is like a fart in the wind.
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2019 07:44 pm
Winner of the coveted Karma Is A Bitch award

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coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2019 07:48 pm
@blatham,
He is going to win a pardon too.
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2019 08:42 pm
Quote:
Bret Baier
@BretBaier
That was a turning point in this hearing so far. She was already a sympathetic witness & the President’s tweet ripping her allowed Schiff to point it out real time characterizing it as witness tampering or intimidation -adding an article of impeachment real-time. twitter.com/johnrobertsfox…

How bad is it getting when this guy feels compelled to speak the truth.
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2019 08:45 pm
This is one of the smartest and most insightful comments about Trump I've ever seen.
Quote:
Face The Nation
@FaceTheNation
“He made a mistake,” @SpeakerPelosi says on Trump's tweet about Yovanovitch during her testimony. “I think part of it is his own insecurity as an impostor...he knows full well he's in that office way over his head. And so he has to diminish everyone else.” https://cbsn.ws/32PUQek
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Real Music
 
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Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2019 08:58 pm
With a Tweet, Trump Upends Republican Strategy for Dealing with Yovanovitch.


Published November 15, 2019

Quote:
WASHINGTON — Heading into Friday’s impeachment hearing, the Republican strategy for dealing with Marie L. Yovanovitch was simple: treat the ousted ambassador to Ukraine with respect during her testimony on Friday and avoid any appearance of bullying a veteran diplomat who had been vilified and driven from her post.

President Trump blew up the plan.

Ms. Yovanovitch had just begun to recount, in powerful and personal terms, the devastation and fear she felt when she learned Mr. Trump had attacked her during a July 25 phone call with the president of Ukraine. She was “shocked, appalled, devastated that the president of the United States would talk about any ambassador like that,” she said.

It was just the kind of human moment that Republican members of the House Intelligence Committee had anticipated — a political trap they were determined not to fall into. But they apparently didn’t anticipate how Mr. Trump would react.

“Everywhere Marie Yovanovitch went turned bad,” Mr. Trump wrote on Twitter, sneering at her to his 66 million followers while recounting an earlier posting in her diplomatic career. “She started off in Somalia, how did that go?”

By repeating the same kind of verbal attack that made Ms. Yovanovitch a sympathetic witness for the Democrats in the first place, Mr. Trump undercut his own party’s best chance at minimizing the impact of her testimony. And he handed Democrats another new argument — that his tweet amounted to nothing less than witness intimidation that itself could become an article of impeachment.

“That was not part of the plan, obviously,” said Jeff Flake, the former Republican senator from Arizona, who clashed repeatedly with Mr. Trump before he retired in 2017. “He can’t help himself. You would think every instinct would be to lay off. She’s a sympathetic witness. But he seems just to be incapable of controlling himself.”

The president’s tweet was at once surprising and entirely predictable.

Mr. Trump has used Twitter to attack his adversaries nearly 6,000 times since becoming president. He has repeatedly tweeted that the impeachment inquiry is a “hoax” and has lashed out at diplomats and national security officials calling them “never Trumpers” who are out to undermine his agenda. For weeks, he and his allies have obsessed about the identity of the whistle-blower whose complaint about Mr. Trump’s phone call with President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine jump-started the impeachment inquiry.

But his decision to fling the sharp-edged insult an hour into Ms. Yovanovitch’s testimony was the latest evidence — as if any more was needed — that Mr. Trump’s instincts are rarely in sync with the interests of his party.

White House aides insisted on Friday that the president was too busy to watch the hearing, but in fact, he chose to watch Ms. Yovanovitch, who had stuck in his craw because he saw her as an obstacle to his desire to have investigations into Hunter Biden, the younger son of former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr., people close to Mr. Trump said.

On the first day of the impeachment hearings on Wednesday, the president had managed to avoid commenting about the two men who testified — William B. Taylor Jr., the top diplomat in Ukraine, and George P. Kent, a senior State Department official.

But his inability to hold his fire on Friday raised fresh doubts among his allies and White House advisers about what he will do next week, when eight witnesses are scheduled to testify in public hearings over the course of three days.

Mr. Trump did not clear his Friday tweet with top White House aides before putting it out, leaving some of his advisers deeply dispirited. Privately, they acknowledged he had done himself damage.

Not long after Mr. Trump’s tweet, his son Donald Trump Jr. fired off his own broadside, tweeting, “America hired ⁦‪@realDonaldTrump‬⁩ to fire people like the first three witnesses we’ve seen. Career government bureaucrats and nothing more.”

Mr. Trump’s congressional allies had largely held back from those kinds of direct attacks on Mr. Taylor and Mr. Kent. They had planned to be especially careful with Ms. Yovanovitch.

On Thursday, they met for several hours in Room HVC-215 of the Capitol for a practice session aimed at coordinating their overall message, with members who were not on the Intelligence Committee playing the parts of the former ambassador and Representative Adam B. Schiff, the Democratic chairman of the Intelligence committee.

One thing they were clear about: They intended to use the same care grilling Ms. Yovanovitch that Republican senators tried to employ during last year’s testimony by Christine Blasey Ford, who accused Justice Brett Kavanaugh of assaulting her when the two were in high school, according to one person close to the House Republican leadership.

Mr. Trump didn’t get the message — and Democrats seized on the political opportunity he handed them. Not long after the president tweeted his thoughts on Ms. Yovanovitch, Mr. Schiff read it aloud, to Ms. Yovanovitch and the cameras.

“Now the president, in real time, is attacking you,” Mr. Schiff told her. “What effect do you think that has on other witnesses willingness to come forward and expose wrongdoing?”

Her answer was succinct: “It’s very intimidating.”

Representative Eric Swalwell, Democrat of California, used his five minutes of questioning at the hearing to decry what he called the president’s “disgusting” tweet.

“He smeared you when you were in Ukraine,” Mr. Swalwell told Ms. Yovanovitch. “He smeared you on that phone call with President Zelensky on July 25. He is smearing you right now as you are testifying. Ambassador Yovanovitch, are the president’s smears going to stop you from fighting corruption?”

“Well,” she answered, clearly not wanting to take the bait of a direct confrontation with the president, “I will continue my work.”

Following the hearing, some Republican lawmakers defended the president’s decision to tweet at Ms. Yovanovitch even as others grudgingly acknowledged that it wasn’t the kind of message they had hoped to highlight.

“We’re not here to talk about tweets,” Representative Elise Stefanik, Republican of New York, told reporters. “This is not the first or last tweet they are going to complain about.”

But under repeated questioning, she added: ”I said I disagree with the tone of the tweet.”

Ms. Stefanik and other Republican members struggled to focus on the message they had hoped to deliver throughout the day: that Democrats had put in place an unfair impeachment process that denied Mr. Trump’s defenders their rights. Representative Lee Zeldin, Republican of New York, said Mr. Trump was just “fighting back.”

But that was not how the week was supposed to go, especially at the White House, where Mr. Trump had scheduled a series of events to highlight what he said he was doing while the Democrats were focused on impeachment.

The idea was to embrace the strategy that former president Bill Clinton used during his own impeachment fight. Mr. Clinton described that strategy on CNN on Thursday. “I would say, ‘I’ve got lawyers and staff people handling this impeachment inquiry and they should just have at it,’” Mr. Clinton said. “‘Meanwhile, I’m going to work for the American people.’ That’s what I would do.”

Early Friday morning, Stephanie Grisham, the White House press secretary, issued a statement saying that Mr. Trump would watch the opening statement by the top Republican on the committee. She added, “but the rest of the day, he will be working hard for the American people.”

To illustrate that, the White House had scheduled an announcement for Friday afternoon on new rules to promote “honesty and transparency” in health care prices. But as soon as the event was over, reporters deluged the president with questions — about his Yovanovitch tweet.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/with-a-tweet-trump-upends-republican-strategy-for-dealing-with-yovanovitch/ar-BBWPFZD?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=UE13DHP
coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2019 09:44 pm
@Real Music,
Poor little snowflake. What happened to the strong women that stands up to men? She allows herself to be treated like a China doll and patronized because she was attacked by a big meanie. It only show what a bunch of hypocrites all these people are. Really sorry but people see right through this.
blatham
 
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Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2019 09:47 pm
@Real Music,
Quote:
Early Friday morning, Stephanie Grisham, the White House press secretary, issued a statement saying that Mr. Trump would watch the opening statement by the top Republican on the committee. She added, “but the rest of the day, he will be working hard for the American people.”
Breaking the pattern of each prior Trump press secretary, now we can count on Grisham to be honest as she speaks to American citizens.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2019 09:48 pm
@coldjoint,
Poor little meadow muffin. Your president does everything he can to **** up a strategy, and you want to blame hi target. I think what people see is a petulant little snot bag whose time is running out.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2019 10:51 pm
@farmerman,
His time runs out on 2025 and you know it. How you going to take when I remind you how wrong you were? It is coming in a year.
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