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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
oralloy
 
  -2  
Thu 24 Oct, 2019 06:41 am
@revelette3,
revelette3 wrote:
livinglava wrote:
Kompromat

?

It's a Cold War KGB term for real or forged evidence that the KGB uses either to blackmail people with or to undermine and discredit them.
blatham
 
  1  
Thu 24 Oct, 2019 06:45 am
Notes from the fraying edges....
Quote:
The outrage over Trump’s Syria decision, combined with the growing threat of impeachment, has left the president facing a new test in his relationship with white evangelicals as signs of tensions have begun to surface in recent polls. For some, his culturally conservative agenda may not be enough to keep them from walking away if the situation in Syria deteriorates further.

It’s a dilemma that has left Trump’s biggest religious boosters asking themselves whether his sky-high support with so-called values voters will last through next November.

“If he’s going to win in 2020,” said the longtime Trump friend, “he has to be north of the 81 percent [of white evangelicals] he won in 2016. I’m not suggesting that the polling is all of a sudden going to show that his support is plummeting because of Syria. But if it stays stagnant, he’s a one-term president.”
Politico
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Thu 24 Oct, 2019 06:49 am
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:
It has nothing to do with minorities, it has to do with counting non-citizens as part of the voting block. It's about giving representation to people who are not citizens and who can't vote and shouldn't have a say about what goes on in this country. We already see the DNC making political pitches towards illegal immigrants and making promises to give them services and money reserved for citizens and paid for by US citizens.

That's why progressives are so upset. They are counting on having illegal immigrants vote multiple times in every election election in order for progressives to win.

It's also why progressives are aghast at voter ID laws.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Thu 24 Oct, 2019 06:52 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
Why do you wish to continue disenfranchising California Voters.

California is not being disenfranchised.

The only party that has an actual history of disenfranchising people is the Democratic Party.
blatham
 
  3  
Thu 24 Oct, 2019 06:55 am
Latest news from the We Hate Democracy cabal
Quote:
The Student Vote Is Surging. So Are Efforts to Suppress It.

The share of college students casting ballots doubled from 2014 to 2018, a potential boon to Democrats. But in Texas and elsewhere, Republicans are erecting roadblocks to the polls.

At Austin Community College, civics is an unwritten part of the curriculum — so much so that for years the school has tapped its own funds to set up temporary early-voting sites on nine of its 11 campuses.

No more, however. This spring, the Texas Legislature outlawed polling places that did not stay open for the entire 12-day early-voting period. When the state’s elections take place in three weeks, those nine sites — which logged many of the nearly 14,000 ballots that full-time students cast last year — will be shuttered. So will six campus polling places at colleges in Fort Worth, two in Brownsville, on the Mexico border, and other polling places at schools statewide...
NYT
oralloy
 
  -1  
Thu 24 Oct, 2019 06:55 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
By them being held to a max of electoral votes and by many of the other states having a "winner take all" electoral vote, what would you call it when, during the presidential election, the votes in Calif are worth fractionally less than electoral votes in Nebraska.

One easy way to fix that problem would be to ratify the last amendment in the Bill of Rights. That would greatly lessen the electoral disparity between large and small states.

It would also radically shake up the House of Representatives and make it much more democratic.
blatham
 
  3  
Thu 24 Oct, 2019 07:07 am
Not that Trump is a sociopath, or anything
Quote:
As millions of fans prepared to watch the Washington Nationals obliterate the Houston Astros on Wednesday, a tweet posted by Major League Baseball umpire Rob Drake caught the attention of an ESPN reporter.

“I will be buying an AR-15 tomorrow, because if you impeach MY PRESIDENT this way, YOU WILL HAVE ANOTHER CIVAL WAR!!! #MAGA2020,” the ump tweeted late Tuesday, ESPN’s Jeff Passan reported. Drake deleted the tweet so quickly that a screen shot had not surfaced by early Thursday. It had accompanied another tweet that said: “You can’t do an impeachment inquiry from the basement of Capital Hill without even a vote! What is going on in this country?”
WP
oralloy
 
  -3  
Thu 24 Oct, 2019 07:32 am
@blatham,
Sounds like the umpire doesn't like the way progressives abuse their power to conduct witch hunts against people who disagree with the progressive agenda.

It might have something to do with umpires having a heightened sense of fair play.
farmerman
 
  3  
Thu 24 Oct, 2019 07:36 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
That would greatly lessen the electoral disparity between large and small states.
It certainly would get us closer to "one person, one vote" (The original Amendment (no 11 in 1791) would be ratiied with later Amendments already in place to guarantee suffrage and Civil rights .
revelette3
 
  2  
Thu 24 Oct, 2019 07:46 am
@blatham,
I wouldn't be surprised by anything they'll try to be able to suppress the vote. They can't win without those dirty tricks they set up in many varied ways. Unfortunetly, they've been at it so long, they are well advanced and the courts are stacked in their favor. Now more so than ever.
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revelette3
 
  3  
Thu 24 Oct, 2019 07:52 am
Quote:
William Barr must recuse himself from Ukraine probe, New York City Bar Association says

The New York City Bar Association is demanding that U.S. Attorney General William Barr recuse himself from the Department of Justice probe into the Trump-Ukraine phone call that is central to the impeachment inquiry against the president, citing potential conflicts of interest.

A whistleblower within the intelligence community raised concerns in a formal letter filed in mid-August, of a quid pro quo between President Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky after Trump allegedly attempted to persuade the foreign leader to investigate the Biden family for possible corruption in exchange for U.S. military aid during a July 25 phone call.

According to a rough log of the call released in September, Trump said: “There’s a lot of talk about Biden’s son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the attorney general would be great.”

At the time, several hundred million dollars in military aid to Ukraine, which is under siege from Moscow, had been frozen by the Trump administration.

The Bar Association, in a statement Wednesday laying out its case for recusal, said: "As White House records made clear, the president told his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelensky, that Mr. Barr "would be in touch with him" to follow up on the president's requests. The whistleblower found this telephone call to be of "urgent concern" because of the president's apparent intermingling of U.S. foreign policy interests with his personal political interests in apparent violation of U.S. law."

The association insisted that their focus was not on "the legality of the president's actions or even the merits of the whistleblower's complaint," nor on "whether the DOJ's review of this action was justified."

Instead, the association raised concerns about whether Barr had knowledge of promises made by Trump in the phone call. In addition, the association said Barr "was obligated to recuse himself from any involvement in DOJ's review of either the whistleblower complaint of the substance of the president's actions once the president offered Mr. Barr's services to President Zelensky."

Barr's Office of Legal Counsel (OLC), under the Department of Justice, also advised Acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire, a Trump appointee, to forgo forwarding the whistleblower's complaint to Congress, despite Michael Atkinson, intelligence community inspector general, saying it was credible and of “urgent concern."

The bar association wrote that Barr "appears to have participated in the DOJ review of the whistleblower's complaint and its decision not to forward that complaint to Congress" and his failure to recuse himself endangers the DOJ's "impartiality in the investigation of the Ukraine Matter."

The bar also suggested that Barr be forced to resign, face sanctions, or be removed from Congress if he doesn't recuse himself from the probe.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/william-barr-must-recuse-himself-from-ukraine-probe-new-york-city-bar-association-says/ar-AAJgdM7?ocid=spartandhp
revelette3
 
  2  
Thu 24 Oct, 2019 07:54 am
@oralloy,
thank for the information
oralloy
 
  -1  
Thu 24 Oct, 2019 08:02 am
@revelette3,
You're welcome. I think Glitterbag posted an explanation too somewhere in the thread.
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blatham
 
  3  
Thu 24 Oct, 2019 08:04 am
A puzzlement. The following is a quote from Hugh Hewitt's column at the WP today
Quote:
The Republican Party risks exile for longer than it has endured in the modern era if, in the absence of incontrovertible evidence of actual “high crimes and misdemeanors,” it deserts President Trump during the campaign to remove him from office. Democrats are pursuing impeachment because they obviously fear that they cannot defeat him at the ballot box in 2020.


Hewitt is an unbright jackass and his role is to carry right wing talking points into the mainstream media (read the whole column to see what I mean). We've seen that notion I've bolded before. Georgeob repeats it regularly. Do either of these two guys (and others who might repeat it) actually believe what they're saying? I think george does.

But it is such a mis-read (if actually believed) that I'm quite stunned by it. Trump's polling is not good. It's bad. It's been bad all along and it's getting worse. In almost all polls, Trump is bested by all the leading half dozen candidates. As we know from the last election, polls can mislead though not by much. George's certainty of a Trump win doesn't look rational. It looks like what it is, faith, however engendered.

But more perplexing to me is the attribution of Dem motivations in these impeachment proceedings. In the case of Nixon, it took a long while for Republicans to face up to the corruption revealed and many were never convinced his upcoming impeachment was legitimate. That's where the tribal allegiance bested anything like what would have been a rational take on the issues.

I guess that's exactly the case now with georgeob (Hewitt might well be a different case where he's just pumping out the agreed upon propaganda line).

Unfortunately, a key difference between the Nixon era and now is the emergence of a dedicated right wing messaging universe which has successfully siloed the right wing audience into accepting a convenient storyline. Thus any/all evidence of Trump's corruption has to be and is pushed out of mind with such excuses and rationalizations. It's depressing. Actually it's worse than merely depressing.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Thu 24 Oct, 2019 08:05 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
It certainly would get us closer to "one person, one vote"

According to this, America would have 6,563 Congressmen right now if the Amendment were ratified:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Apportionment_Amendment

Much of the Electoral College disparity between large and small states is due to small states having one Congressmen even if their population is so small that they only merit a quarter of a Congressman.

By radically increasing the number of Congressmen, it would allow representation to be divided up into "smaller grains" and allow low-population states to have a smaller portion of the representation allotted to them.
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blatham
 
  1  
Thu 24 Oct, 2019 08:07 am
@revelette3,
The many recent revelations have put Barr in the center of much of the corruption now being exposed. I hope Mueller's faith in the existing institutions will be seen as warranted rather than foolishly romantic but that's far from certain.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Thu 24 Oct, 2019 08:07 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
Unfortunately, a key difference between the Nixon era and now is the emergence of a dedicated right wing messaging universe which has successfully siloed the right wing audience into accepting a convenient storyline. Thus any/all evidence of Trump's corruption has to be and is pushed out of mind with such excuses and rationalizations. It's depressing. Actually it's worse than merely depressing.

If it depresses you that your witch hunt is doomed to failure, maybe you should stop conducting the witch hunt and go do something productive.
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revelette3
 
  2  
Thu 24 Oct, 2019 08:16 am
@blatham,
Quote:
I hope Mueller's faith in the existing institutions will be seen as warranted rather than foolishly romantic but that's far from certain.


It left him off the hook and allowed him to walk away.
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blatham
 
  2  
Thu 24 Oct, 2019 08:18 am
More notes on the Orwellian/Soviet style Dem secrecy tactics re impeachment proceedings.
Quote:
Vice President Mike Pence’s Big Brother Is Sitting In On Congress’s Closed-Door Impeachment Depositions
BuzzFeed
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revelette3
 
  2  
Thu 24 Oct, 2019 08:24 am
On Barr, how much ya'll want to be bet he ignores the NY Bar Association and nothing comes of it?

I have to admit, I have become an absolute cynic. I wouldn't be surprised at all if at the end of the day, Trump ends up getting impeached. Lots of articles and news cycles on TV talk of the many misdeeds committed by the Trump and corrupt cronies until you are so sick of hearing it, it ain't even interesting anymore. The senate gives Trump a pass. Somehow or another, Trump manages to pull off another term as President and proceeds to further trash our country and put the whole world at risk with his erratic decisions.
 

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