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blatham
 
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Wed 2 Oct, 2019 06:39 am
@glitterbag,
I was about 13 years old when I realized I was considerably less intrigued by the girls in the church choir than some other girls. It was one of those moments where a person's life trajectory is reset.

PS... Have you read Twain's Letters From Earth? There's a brilliant bit in there about sex in heaven. That is, the absence of it.
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blatham
 
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Wed 2 Oct, 2019 06:49 am
Aaron Rupar at Vox has a good piece up on the apparently growing split at Fox. Well worth reading. Here's just one graph...
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Trump — who has been slowly souring on Fox News for weeks now, in part because it won’t rig polls for him — indicated on Sunday that he’s especially sensitive to even the mildest criticism coming from network personalities. After chief national correspondent and occasional Fox & Friends host Ed Henry did an interview with right-wing pundit Mark Levin in which Henry gently pushed back on Levin’s pro-Trump talking points, Trump became so incensed that he started retweeting any and all anti-Henry tweets he could find, including one posted by a parody account that makes fun of him for disliking sharks.
LINK
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blatham
 
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Wed 2 Oct, 2019 07:02 am
Today's entry in Genius Thoughts From All Over
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From the mind that brought you Space Force comes several low-tech, border security solutions of medieval cruelty, according to a new book by New York Times reporters Julie Hirschfeld Davis and Michael D. Shear.

Frustrated by the lack of wall progress and the number of migrants applying for asylum, Trump has privately mused that the barrier between the U.S. and Mexico should include a moat stocked with snakes and/or alligators, and asked his aides how much that would cost to execute. He also asked if the wall could be electrified and wanted spikes at the top, painted “flat black,” that could tear into a person. (If Andrew Jackson is the amoral, historical villain that Trump hopes to channel, on the border it appears he’s looking back a little further and for someone a little “nastier.”)

In November 2018, Trump publicly backed off the idea that soldiers on the border should be able to shoot migrants if they begin throwing rocks, after claiming there’s “not much difference” between the two. But according to Davis and Scheer, he was still workshopping the thought in private: “Later in a meeting, aides recalled, he suggested that they shoot migrants in the legs to slow them down. That’s not allowed either, they told him.”
NYMag
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revelette1
 
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Wed 2 Oct, 2019 08:23 am
@MontereyJack,
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Which basically means we'll have to convict him 0n civi lawquickly and lock him up after he's impeached and convicted and forced out of office, before he can be sworn in again. And I think at that point we slap him with the 25th amendment. Just lock him up now and sort iy all out later.


By law the senate has to act after the house impeaches Trump. But you surely do not believe the senate will remove him from office? Not this senate. They will quickly go through the motions and basically pooh pooh the impeachment verdict no matter what evidence is presented if any is able to be presented with the president and his minions stonewalling and acting like a bunch of mafia dudes avoiding the Feds on some TV show.

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The president’s personal concerns have become priorities of departments that traditionally have operated with some degree of political independence from the White House — and their leaders are engaging their boss’s obsessions.

“Barr and Pompeo are stuck in the fog machine. They seem captives of the president’s perverse worldview,” said Timothy Naftali, a historian and former director of the Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum. “Authoritarian regimes have this problem all the time . . . when all government activity is the product of the id of the leader. But in a republic, that’s unusual.”


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/a-presidency-of-one-key-federal-agencies-increasingly-compelled-to-benefit-trump/2019/10/01/f80740ec-e453-11e9-a331-2df12d56a80b_story.html

Include the senate in the above point of view.
engineer
 
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Wed 2 Oct, 2019 08:52 am
Trump tariffs hammers US steel company.

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Trump’s trade war hasn’t so much brought the steel industry back to life as it has reshuffled its winners and losers. In the wake of the tariffs, steel prices rose significantly, which led to a boom in production. But as domestic steel quickly flooded the market, prices tumbled back down to earth. As Bloomberg has reported, that’s created a split in the industry. Companies like Nucor, which can compete effectively on price because its electric mills are relatively cheap to run, have fared pretty well. But U.S. Steel, with its old-school blast furnaces, has gotten socked; its stock value is down by about 75 percent since March of last year, and the company has had to idle plants. Amid all this turmoil, the industry has only added a few thousand jobs, which have come at a severe cost to companies like car makers that use U.S. steel as an input.


https://slate.com/business/2019/10/trump-tariffs-bayou-steel-group.html
oralloy
 
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Wed 2 Oct, 2019 08:56 am
@BillW,
BillW wrote:
OMG, un-fing believable if true:
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So even if President Trump were impeached and convicted, there is the possibility that he could be reelected to the same office from which he had been removed.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/could-president-trump-impeached-convicted-122740130.html

If the Senate were to go so far as to remove someone from office, why wouldn't they take the additional step of also disqualifying them from further office?

Nothing you'll have to worry about here though. Trump is going to be our President until 2025.
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oralloy
 
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Wed 2 Oct, 2019 08:57 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
hardly desperation. His ass is in a sling, and he did it to himself. The question now is how best to take advantage of it.

Don't be silly. The Republicans are not about to go along with letting the Democrats lynch an innocent Republican.
oralloy
 
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Wed 2 Oct, 2019 09:00 am
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:
By law the senate has to act after the house impeaches Trump. But you surely do not believe the senate will remove him from office? Not this senate. They will quickly go through the motions and basically pooh pooh the impeachment verdict no matter what evidence is presented

Maybe even a quick acquittal on the same day that the House votes to impeach. That way Trump can start using the acquittal in his reelection campaign as soon as possible.
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BillW
 
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Wed 2 Oct, 2019 11:48 am
@engineer,
This is the cause of the losses on the Stock Market today.
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BillW
 
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Wed 2 Oct, 2019 11:50 am
@revelette1,
Rev, this was a MJ's response to my post:

Quote:
OMG, un-fing believable if true:

Quote:
So even if President Trump were impeached and convicted, there is the possibility that he could be reelected to the same office from which he had been removed.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/could-president-trump-impeached-convicted-122740130.html


He was just responding to a "what if" situation. It happens to be a match to my unposted response also#
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MontereyJack
 
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Wed 2 Oct, 2019 11:53 am
@oralloy,
That way we would know exactly whom in the senate we should vote out of office as doon as they come up for reelection.
hightor
 
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Wed 2 Oct, 2019 11:55 am
If Trump Goes Down, He’s Taking Everyone With Him

The impeachment inquiry is laying him bare. It’s not a pretty sight.

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I was based in Washington and reported from Capitol Hill during Bill Clinton’s impeachment, which was the last time the country entered waters like these. It was ugly, and Democrats and Republicans traded vicious words.

But Clinton never publicly accused his detractors of treason or floated the idea that one of them be arrested on those grounds, as Donald Trump just did with Adam Schiff.

Clinton and his defenders raised the specter of a “vast right-wing conspiracy,” to use Hillary Clinton’s infamous phrase, thus asserting that he was being persecuted for his politics, not punished for his misdeeds.

But they didn’t insist, as Trump and his defenders routinely do, that a vital part of the federal government was an evil cabal intent on undermining our democratic processes, which is Trump’s self-serving characterization of the intelligence community. Their central strategy wasn’t to ignite a full-blown crisis of confidence in the institutions of government. They weren’t serving dire notice, as Trump essentially is, that if the president goes down, he’s taking everyone and everything else with him.

The Clintons possessed and projected a moral arrogance that was laughably oxymoronic under the circumstances. And they and other prominent Democrats junked the party’s supposed concern for women’s empowerment to savage Monica Lewinsky, Paula Jones and others who came forward with claims about the president’s extramarital sexual activity, including serious accusations of sexual violence.

But they didn’t equate the potential fall of the president with the fall of the Republic. They didn’t go full apocalypse. Bill Clinton didn’t prophesy that his impeachment would lead to a kind of “civil war” from which the country would “never heal,” as Trump did by tweeting an evangelical pastor’s comments on Fox News along those lines.

I wrote last week that the prospect of Trump’s impeachment terrified me, and one of the main reasons I cited was what we’re seeing now: his histrionic response, which is untethered from any sense of honor, civic concern or real patriotism.

He’s not like most of his predecessors in the White House, who had some limits, at least a few scruples and the capacity to feel shame. Their self-pity wasn’t this unfathomably deep, their delusions of martyrdom this insanely grand. “There has been no President in the history of our Country who has been treated so badly as I have,” he tweeted last week, and the violins have wailed only louder and weepier since.

While there were fellow narcissists among his forebears, was there a single nihilist like Trump? I doubt it, and so the current waters are in fact uncharted, because the ship of state has a sort of madman at its helm.

That he’s fighting back by impugning his critics’ motives, stonewalling investigators and carping about the media shouldn’t disturb anyone, not if we’re being grown-ups. Richard Nixon, confronted with his impeachment, thrashed and seethed. Clinton assembled a war room in an effort to outwit his adversaries. That’s the nature of politics. That’s the right of the accused.

But in the mere week since a formal impeachment inquiry was announced, Trump has already gone much farther than that and behaved in ways that explode precedent, offend decency and boggle the mind. We’re fools if we don’t brace for more and worse.

For grotesque example, he has suggested — repeatedly — that government officials who tattled about his crooked conversation with the Ukrainian president are spies who deserve to be executed. Had any other president done that, many Americans would speak of nothing else for the next month.

But from Trump, such a horror wasn’t even surprising, and it competed for attention with so many other outrages that it was dulled, the way so much of his unconscionable behavior is. When you churn out a disgrace a minute and no one expects anything nobler, you’re inoculated by your own awfulness.

He has taken his vilification of the media to new depths, content on this front, as on others, to pump Americans full of a toxic cynicism so long as he profits from it. He and his handmaidens have disseminated distortion after distortion, lie upon lie, including the claim that deep-state officials tweaked the criteria for whistle-blowers just so that someone could ensnare him.

They have instructed Americans not to believe their own eyes, their own ears, their own intelligence. They mean to put truth itself up for grabs, no matter the fallout.

Lindsey Graham, the sycophant of the century, called the whistle-blower’s complaint a setup, as if it didn’t rest on the sturdy foundation of a reconstructed transcript — released by the White House — that shows Trump imploring a foreign leader to do political dirty work for him.

Trump keeps saying it was a “perfect” call, which is like seeing Dom Pérignon in a puddle of sewage. Then again, his presidency has long depended on such optical illusions.

There’s light, though, and it’s this: As corrosive as his tirades are, they may also be what does him in. He’s poised to take this persecution complex too far.

Already, there has been a swell of support for impeachment, according to new polls released by CNN and Monmouth University, and I bet that trend continues as revelations of his wrongdoing cascade and as he wildly overreacts.

That probably wouldn’t be enough to get Republican senators to convict him and remove him from office, should the House follow through with impeachment and a Senate trial ensue. But it would affect November 2020.

He’s in a bind, because his burn-down-the-house defense against impeachment makes the best case that he must be impeached — that a leader with no bounds and no bottom can’t be allowed to rage on unimpeded. The impeachment inquiry is laying Trump bare. As scary as that is for us, it may be even scarier for him.

nyt/bruni

MontereyJack
 
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Wed 2 Oct, 2019 12:00 pm
@oralloy,
Trump has never in his adult life been innocent. There always been something.
blatham
 
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Wed 2 Oct, 2019 12:02 pm
Trump this morning at a media event welcoming the Finnish President

https://cdn.talkingpointsmemo.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/GettyImages-840730738-600x400@2x.jpg

I've not previously given much weight to the "Trump is losing it" notion. But here's what he said with the Finnish prez beside him...
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During a pool spray with Finish President Sauli Niinistö shortly after his arrival at the White House, Trump let his vexation at Democrats and their impeachment inquiry unravel out in the open, raging at House Democrats, the whistleblower, former Vice President Joe Biden and the media.

Trump lobbed schoolyard-level insults at House Intelligence Committee Chair Adam Schiff (D-CA), arguing he wasn’t fit to carry Secretary of State Mike Pompeo’s “blank strap,” an apparent allusion to a “jockstrap.” Trump then suggested that Schiff’s behavior was “treasonous” — not a new line for the President.

Trump claimed that the whistleblower was “inaccurate” and later suggested that the identity of the individual who filed the complaint should be disclosed, calling the complaint about Trump’s call with the Ukrainian president “dishonest.” He then launched into a rant about Pelosi spending too much time on impeachment instead of all the “needles and drugs all over the street” in her district.

That diatribe wormed it’s way into a tirade about the governor of California, the “corrupt” media and Trump’s Fourth of July military parade. He then returned to the whistleblower, arguing a whistleblower should only be protected if they’re “legitimate.” He also berated the Washington Post and the contents of a new book by New York Times’ reporters that disclosed his absurd requests for the border wall.

Trump also mocked Democrats for thinking he would “never in a million years” release the transcript of his call with the Ukrainian president, which is now the center of Democrats’ impeachment inquiry.

“Here’s where I fooled them,” he said, claiming that Pelosi “went crazy” after she read the memo on the record of the call because, he argued, it didn’t outline the quid pro quo element discussed in the whistleblower complaint.

The president of Finland said nothing, except to acknowledge that Finland is a happy country.

The stunning rant in front of Finish President Sauli Niinistö appeared to be the culmination of a morning of rage-tweeting for President Trump. House Democratic leaders held a press conference on Wednesday morning, just an hour before Niinistö was set to arrive at the White House. Trump spent that time live-tweeting expletives at Pelosi and Schiff.

Trump called Democrats’ impeachment inquiry “BULLSHIT” after deriding the “brains, honor and strength” of Schiff, whom Trump said was incomparable to his Secretary of State Mike Pompeo. Trump also mocked Pelosi’s opening remarks about prescription drug legislation and the U.S.-Mexico-Canada trade deal as nothing more than “camouflage for trying to win an election through impeachment.”
TPM

He is losing it.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 2 Oct, 2019 12:18 pm
@blatham,
You forgot to mention that the Finnish President Niiniströ also spoke in the Oval Office.



A total of one sentence, 8 words.
BillW
 
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Wed 2 Oct, 2019 12:21 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
They are getting ready to have an after meeting Press Conference - could be interesting?
BillW
 
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Wed 2 Oct, 2019 01:21 pm
@BillW,
tRump is without a doubt evil incarnate!
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 2 Oct, 2019 01:34 pm
@BillW,
https://i.imgur.com/0Qr7wOQ.jpg

An ad in New York’s subway, mocking Giuliani, Trump’s personal lawyer
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oralloy
 
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Wed 2 Oct, 2019 01:52 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
That way we would know exactly whom in the senate we should vote out of office as soon as they come up for reelection.

Except, you aren't going to vote any Republicans out of office in any Republican strongholds.
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