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RABEL222
 
  1  
Sat 28 Sep, 2019 09:22 am
@izzythepush,
Lash has transferred her hatred from Clinton to Biden. No big surprise since she is a closet republican.
snood
 
  2  
Sat 28 Sep, 2019 09:38 am
@RABEL222,
Biden for now, but as soon as Warren is the clear front runner, Lash’s hateful rumor-mongering will smoothly transfer over to her.

It’s a trait exhibited by only the most rabid adherents of the Bernie cult. Counter any criticism of Trump with fabricated parallels to prominent democrats; promote Bernie as the only one who can save us.
Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
izzythepush
 
  3  
Sat 28 Sep, 2019 09:49 am
@RABEL222,
I don't know enough about Biden, but if it were up to me I wouldn't choose him as candidate. I think he's too old and too touchy feely, but I don't think this strand of attack is going anywhere.

Biden's son's business interests in Ukraine may be of concern, but the only thing that suggests anything improper are unsubstantiated rumours from the Whitehouse.

The prosecutor in question was as corrupt as ****, everyone wanted him out, everyone, everyone except Putin that is, but everyone else was on board. It would have been a cause for concern if Biden hadn't demanded his sacking.

This is false outrage and look over there. It's like saying the person who decided to prosecute Goering only did it because he owed Hermy money.
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blatham
 
  2  
Sat 28 Sep, 2019 09:52 am
@Lash,
Quote:
Actually, Obama’s vetting of Biden started with an inquiry into dirty Hunter, but Biden yelled him off of it, and Obama was beaten back.
Most ironic use of the preface "actually" I've ever seen.
blatham
 
  2  
Sat 28 Sep, 2019 09:56 am
@Lash,
The ******* Free Beacon. America's foremost progressive truth-telling.
blatham
 
  2  
Sat 28 Sep, 2019 10:07 am
Fox News fun. Do note the claim in bold from Carlson.
Quote:
Fox News personalities are facing heckles, insults and criticism for their coverage this week of President Trump and the impeachment inquiry.

And that’s just from their own colleagues.

In an unusual airing of intramural grievances, Fox News anchors and pundits have let loose at one another in full public view — lobbing attacks across time slots and offering a rare glimpse into tensions behind the scenes at the top-rated cable news network.

In one striking exchange, a guest on Tucker Carlson’s prime-time show on Tuesday dismissed Andrew Napolitano, the veteran Fox News legal analyst, as a “fool” for saying Mr. Trump’s urging of a favor from the Ukrainian prime minister constituted a crime.

Shepard Smith, the network’s chief news anchor, fired back the next afternoon, declaring it “repugnant” that a guest would insult a Fox News colleague — and adding, pointedly, that the remark had gone “unchallenged” by Mr. Carlson.

Back on the air Wednesday night, Mr. Carlson gleefully extended the feud, mocking Mr. Smith’s comments and noting, “Unlike maybe some dayside hosts, I’m not very partisan.” (Mr. Smith, a nonpartisan news anchor, is often accused by Mr. Trump of a liberal bias.)...
NYT
revelette1
 
  4  
Sat 28 Sep, 2019 10:27 am
@snood,
If people had read and paid attention to the Mueller report, they would remember that Russian bots targeted both Trump supporters and fringe Sander supporters in their propaganda messaging. After the primaries when most of the extreme Bernie supporters felt cheated, they probably increasingly turned to RW news and because it aligned with their thinking. In my opinion, kind of warped. A nice way for a certain person to hang onto all the hate she used to have as a Bush supporter against the Clintons/democrats and still claim progressive ideals. She can still bash any and all democrats. Remember, Bernie is not a democrat.


Just my take on the mystery of a certain poster's odd behavior.
revelette1
 
  2  
Sat 28 Sep, 2019 10:31 am
@blatham,
Trump called it in the very beginning of his election campaign, he could shoot someone on fifth avenue and people still love him. All those republicans who were "never Trumpers" have for most turned into Trump supporters, first because of what they were getting out of it, then perhaps because they are now caught up in a perceived partisan war.

Some day a Historian long in the future without a stake in the game is going to write about this era in US politics and the world as well. It is an odd and terrible unique era.
blatham
 
  3  
Sat 28 Sep, 2019 10:34 am
@revelette1,
Quote:
Just my take on the mystery of a certain poster's odd behavior.

As a reminder, the primary propaganda tact now coming from Trump and right wing aligned voices is that the "real corruption involves the Bidens, not Trump". And guess who here is pushing that exact propaganda line.
blatham
 
  2  
Sat 28 Sep, 2019 10:35 am
@revelette1,
Yes.
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blatham
 
  2  
Sat 28 Sep, 2019 10:40 am
What a shocker. The WH move to transfer records of phone calls between Trump and Zelensky to a highly classified system was also done with records of his calls with Putin and Saudi Arabia.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/27/us/politics/nsc-ukraine-call.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage
izzythepush
 
  3  
Sat 28 Sep, 2019 10:48 am
We have our own criminal proceedings going on. Johnson isn't head of state, that's the Queen, so we don't have to fanny about with impeachment, we can go straight for prosecution.

You have to give it to Johnson, he's not dull. It's like he's looked across the Atlantic at the disastrous presidency with all its **** ups and catastrophic lurches with extremism.

He's looked at it long and hard and decided to replicate it all in a few weeks ending with a criminal investigation.

Quote:
A move to refer Boris Johnson to the police watchdog is "a politically motivated attack", a senior government source has said.

The watchdog will decide whether or not to investigate the prime minister for a potential criminal offence of misconduct in public office while he was London mayor.

It is alleged businesswoman Jennifer Arcuri received favourable treatment due to her friendship with Mr Johnson.

Mr Johnson has denied any impropriety.

He was referred to the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) on Friday by the Greater London Authority's monitoring officer - whose job it is to oversee the conduct of the mayor and other members.

The allegations regarding Mr Johnson's friendship with technology entrepreneur Ms Arcuri first emerged last weekend in the Sunday Times.

They refer to claims that Ms Arcuri joined trade missions led by Mr Johnson when he was mayor of London and that her company received several thousand pounds in sponsorship grants.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49862859
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farmerman
 
  2  
Sat 28 Sep, 2019 10:55 am
@blatham,
cover ups are so enveloping arent they??
BillW
 
  2  
Sat 28 Sep, 2019 11:08 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Quote:
Just my take on the mystery of a certain poster's odd behavior.

As a reminder, the primary propaganda tact now coming from Trump and right wing aligned voices is that the "real corruption involves the Bidens, not Trump". And guess who here is pushing that exact propaganda line.


,,,with, the evidence of tRump's corruption in full sight within the transcription of the phone call.

I know that transcript is the best rendition the transcribers could come up with. I would like to see what the ellipses are hiding. Actually, I want to see what the true, full call reveals!
blatham
 
  1  
Sat 28 Sep, 2019 11:08 am
@farmerman,
Sadly, they are often successful.
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blatham
 
  1  
Sat 28 Sep, 2019 11:10 am
@BillW,
Quote:
I would like to see what the ellipses are hiding. Actually, I want to see what the true, full call reveals!
I presume some of the missing bits have been validly held back. I also presume the opposite for others.
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revelette1
 
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Sat 28 Sep, 2019 11:36 am
Amateur pro-Trump ‘sleuths’ scramble to unmask whistleblower: ‘Your president has asked for your help’

Quote:
The looming battle over President Trump’s potential impeachment has sparked an online hunt in the far-right corners of the Web as self-styled Internet sleuths race to identify the anonymous person Trump has likened to a treasonous spy.

Their guesses have been scattershot, conspiratorial and often untethered from reality, spanning a wide range of such unlikely contenders as presidential son-in-law Jared Kushner and Vice President Pence.

Some of the online commentators and anonymous posters said they have been spurred to action by Trump’s fury, foreshadowing the online clashes that are likely to engulf any upcoming impeachment hearings and the 2020 campaign.

“Carpet bomb the memes. Everywhere,” one anonymous poster on the message board 4chan wrote in response to one of Trump’s angry tweets about the whistleblower. “Time to rise up. Your president has asked for your help.”

The quest to identify the person who crafted the politically explosive complaint against Trump has become a fixation across the most extreme corners of such platforms as Twitter, Reddit and Gab — and has spread onto conservative news sites, radio shows and TV broadcasts.

The president’s scornful portrayal of the whistleblower shaped and stoked the online conversation throughout the week, as it descended into a case study of the Internet at its worst — frenetic, fueled by rumor and frequently racist, misogynistic and crude.

“the whistleblower is not white,” one 4chan commenter asserted Thursday, probably misreading a part of the complaint in which the whistleblower calls himself or herself a “non-White House official.” “see second set of bullet points on page 3. trump only has a handful of non white staff. I wonder who it might be.”

The hunt for the whistleblower revealed a glimpse of how polarized partisan media and the Internet have become, in which every news event becomes an opportunity for online brawlers to steer mainstream conversations and defeat the other side.

“We’re seeing all the elements of information warfare play out online during this episode,” said Peter W. Singer, a senior fellow at the think tank New America. “There’s this crowdsourced manhunt to find out who did it, and once that identity comes out, everything in their life — what they majored in in college, where they like to eat dinner, where their kids went to school — will be pulled out in the hope there is one little nugget that can be weaponized against them.”

After the complaint was made public Thursday morning, pro-Trump commenters guessed the whistleblower is Hispanic or Jewish or Arab or African American and, many were sure, a woman — though rarely did the commenters use such delicate terms. A top choice soon became Susan M. Gordan, a former deputy director of national intelligence, though others thought a more probable candidate is CIA Director Gina Haspel.

Some commenters offered names or rough demographic characteristics, while others posted photos of potential suspects. One 4chan commenter focused on former national security adviser John Bolton as a contender, posting a close-up image of his trademark bristly mustache with the words “Operation Infinite Walrus!”

The speculation gained energy at several key moments, beginning with the release of the transcript of a July 25 call between Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. The frenzy accelerated with the release of the complaint itself and when Trump said the whistleblower, whom he suggested should be prosecuted, was “close to a spy."

Conservative commentator Bill Mitchell, who attended Trump’s social media summit in July, replied in a tweet: “No Mr. President, that IS a spy.”
On the pro-Trump Reddit message board r/The_Donald, a commenter using a pseudonym said, “This ‘whistleblower’ needs to be put in the public spotlight, and then f------ prosecute him/her to the fullest extent of the law.”

Another replied, “I bet the whistleblower is the fired ambassador [to Ukraine],” referring to Marie L. Yovanovitch, a career U.S. diplomat recalled abruptly in May.

The guessing game took another twist after the New York Times reported the complaint was made by a CIA officer detailed to the White House. A conservative writer, Stu Cvrk, tweeted out his guess a few hours later.

“Is This Guy The Ukraine Phone Call Whistleblower?” Cvrk tweeted, linking to a post he wrote on RedState, a conservative news and commentary site.

“A source known to me at the State Department, who will remain anonymous, tells me that everyone is pointing to Edward ‘Ned’ Price as the whistleblower who came forward with the accusation that President Trump ‘abused his office’ during a phone conversation with the Ukrainian president,” wrote Cvrk. Price is a former CIA officer who retired in 2017 and is now a political analyst for NBC News.

Price, who was more amused than upset at the claim, said it made him concerned about the development of “discourse that is just divorced from the facts.”

“It’s part of the political atmosphere that we live in now,” Price said. “People are looking for anything on which to hang their tinfoil hats.”
Cvrk, in a direct Twitter message to The Post, stood by his assessment. “You didn’t seriously think he would admit it, did you?” he wrote, adding that he was insulted by the inference “that I am a tinfoil hat guy.”

On Friday, the Washington Examiner spread word of a $50,000 reward offered by two pro-Trump political activists known for smear campaigns, who called the scandal a “national disgrace” and said they hoped identifying the whistleblower would help put “this dark chapter behind us.”

A post on the conservative Washington Sentinel suggested the whistleblower complaint was written by a “very organized” team of individuals, based on what they called “document analysis (grammatic profiling) software.” Breitbart News said the “so-called whistleblower” marched to the orders of a vast operation bankrolled by George Soros, a longtime target of conservative conspiracy theories.

The whistleblower has remained anonymous. But should his or her name be publicized through the efforts of Internet sleuths, journalists or others, the consequences probably will be serious given the intensity of the fixation online.

Many people in such spotlights have had their personal information — such as their home addresses, family affiliations and Social Security numbers — published through online “doxing” harassment campaigns. It’s not unusual for figures identified in this way to be confronted in person at their homes or workplaces.

“It’s very disruptive,” said Joan Donovan, research director at Harvard University’s Shorenstein Center on Media, Politics and Public Policy. “The president has already branded this person as a snitch and a spy, and that’s a problem.”

The whistleblower’s lawyer has publicly called for respect for the person’s privacy. But many in conservative media have shown no interest in standing down.

In response to this request, the Trump-boosting talk-radio host Mark Levin said on Sean Hannity’s Fox News show Thursday night, “Too bad, pal. Too late. You want to impeach our president, using this BS? We want to know all about your guy.”



blatham
 
  1  
Sat 28 Sep, 2019 11:38 am
I just returned from five days in Portland, Oregon. I was there for five years, leaving 8 years ago. The number of visible homeless people there is perhaps 10 times what it was when I was there. Very disconcerting. I'll have to do much more study on this but my working hypothesis now is that this is a reflection of the widening disparity in wealth in the country.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 28 Sep, 2019 11:41 am
@revelette1,
It must be hard to be Donald Trump:
Democrats, unconstitutional whistleblowers, the media: everyone wants to get at you.
And now, you even can't tweet in peace anymore.


https://i.imgur.com/cB31JRz.jpg
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Lash
 
  -1  
Sat 28 Sep, 2019 11:43 am
@blatham,
Local rents and climate, and degree of welcoming (or not) nature of local police factors in to where homeless people aggregate, also.

Portlandia, Seattle area and SF are very popular...
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