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Lash
 
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Sat 28 Sep, 2019 06:26 am
Meanwhile, at the WSJ

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/what-the-press-doesnt-know-about-ukraine-11569620897

Damning about bipartisan corruption.

neptuneblue
 
  2  
Sat 28 Sep, 2019 06:48 am
What Were The Bidens Doing In Ukraine? 5 Questions Answered

September 24, 20195:01 AM ET
Greg Myre - 2016 - square

In a July 25 conversation with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy, President Trump asked for an investigation of former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden for their activities in Ukraine several years ago.

In a memorandum of that call, released Wednesday, Trump said, "There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the attorney general would be great."

The call is reportedly connected to a whistleblower complaint, which has ignited the controversy. Trump, Democrats say, pressured a foreign government to dig up dirt on Biden, now a Democratic presidential candidate.

But Trump says that he did nothing wrong and that the inquiry is just a "witch hunt." In fact, Justice Department officials said Wednesday that prosecutors determined there was no campaign finance violation.

Trump has instead pointed to "corruption" by Joe Biden and his son.

The Biden camp has argued that claims of wrongdoing on the Bidens' part are unfounded and have been debunked. "Trump's doing this because he knows I'll beat him like a drum," Biden told reporters recently. "And he's using the abuse of power and every element of the presidency to try to do something to smear me."

Here are five questions about the accusations and the facts behind them.

1. So what did Joe Biden do in Ukraine?

Ukraine had a revolution in February 2014, when the pro-Russian president, Viktor Yanukovych, was ousted and fled to Russia amid massive, sustained protests that focused on corruption in his administration.

A pro-Western president, Petro Poroshenko, took over. Then-President Barack Obama's administration was prepared to work with the new government, a position shared with European governments and international institutions, such as the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund. But they were all concerned about the country's endemic corruption, which had plagued the country ever since it gained independence in the 1991 breakup of the Soviet Union.

Obama made then-Vice President Biden the point man, and he became a frequent visitor to Ukraine. By his own count, Biden says he went there about a dozen times from early 2014 through early 2016.

2. What role did Joe Biden's son Hunter Biden play in Ukraine?

In the spring of 2014, as Joe Biden began his trips to Ukraine, Hunter Biden took a position on the board of the country's largest private gas company, Burisma. He was reportedly paid up to $50,000 a month.

The question of a possible conflict of interest — with Hunter Biden profiting in a country where his father was actively working with the government — was raised publicly at the time.

Joe Biden said that he followed government ethics regulations and that his son was a private citizen who made his own decisions.

Also, the Obama administration actually supported investigations into corruption. This included looking into the gas company because the owner, Mykola Zlochevsky, was close to the ousted president and they had both fled the country before the Bidens became regular visitors.

3. Is there any sign of wrongdoing by either Joe Biden or his son Hunter Biden?

This is what Trump and his personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, are suggesting. But they have not provided evidence of illegal actions. Multiple fact checks have called Trump's accusations of corruption by the Bidens misleading.


Donald J. Trump

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“The very thing that they are accusing President Trump of doing (which I didn’t do), was actually done by Joe Biden. Continues to be a double standard.” @RepDevinNunes @foxandfriends These people are stone cold Crooked. Also, who is this so-called “whistleblower” who doesn’t...


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Joe Biden has actually boasted about his work in Ukraine as a spokesperson for the White House and the West generally. He called for the ouster of the top Ukrainian prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, for what was widely seen as his failure to investigate corruption.

In March 2016, Biden made one of his many trips to Ukraine and told the country's leaders that they had to get rid of the prosecutor if they wanted $1 billion in U.S. aid. Biden told the story last year at the Council on Foreign Relations:

"I said, 'You're not getting the [$1 billion]. I'm leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you're not getting the money.' Well, son of a b****. He got fired," Biden said.

4. How do Trump and his supporters see Joe Biden's work?

They argue that Joe Biden wanted the prosecutor ousted to protect his son from being investigated. But there has been no evidence of wrongdoing, and Joe Biden was tasked as vice president with helping to weed out corruption in Ukraine.

The key figure in pushing the corruption narrative appears to be Giuliani. He has been in contact with Ukraine multiple times and urged officials there to look into the Bidens. The story has been percolating for the past few months. Giuliani has repeatedly tweeted about it and discussed it on TV.

Meanwhile, Hunter Biden stepped down from his post at the gas company this past spring as his term expired, saying he turned down an offer to have it extended. He recognized that it was going to be an issue in the 2020 campaign.

"My qualifications and work are being attacked by Rudy Giuliani and his minions for transparent political purposes," Hunter Biden said in a statement at the time.

5. What's next?

Democrats say they now want to see the complaint by the whistleblower, which has still not reached Congress.

The inspector general of the intelligence community, Michael Atkinson, reported the whistleblower complaint about the call to the House Intelligence Committee in a Sept. 9 letter.

But when Atkinson was called before a closed-door committee hearing last Thursday, he reportedly told members that he was being blocked from releasing the details of the complaint by Joseph Maguire, the acting director of national intelligence. Maguire has been called for the same committee this Thursday in a public hearing.

Meanwhile, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., who had resisted calls from congressional Democrats on the impeachment question, announced Tuesday that she was initiating a formal impeachment inquiry against the president.

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/24/763502822/what-were-the-bidens-doing-in-ukraine-5-questions-answered
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Lash
 
  -1  
Sat 28 Sep, 2019 06:52 am
Bidens are dirty. People tried to sweep it under the rug for them (and the DNC), but it won’t fit.
neptuneblue
 
  3  
Sat 28 Sep, 2019 06:56 am
@Lash,
Joe Biden is a lot of things. But being dirty doesn't come to mind. Facts matter, rhetoric is untruthful.

izzythepush
 
  3  
Sat 28 Sep, 2019 07:00 am
@neptuneblue,
People are only going on about Biden because Trump has been caught with his pants down. More whataboutism.

I wonder what would happen if Sanders and Trump had a massive public spat, who would Lash support then?
neptuneblue
 
  1  
Sat 28 Sep, 2019 07:13 am
@izzythepush,
It would be an interesting thought if Trump runs with Bernie as a side kick. Not out of the realm of possibility since Trump is already kicking Pence to the curb and Bernie will figure that's his only shot at the WH.
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Lash
 
  0  
Sat 28 Sep, 2019 07:19 am
@izzythepush,
They’re having a massive one-way spat rn.

Bernie is kicking trump’s ass constantly. Once in s while Trump calls him crazy.
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Lash
 
  0  
Sat 28 Sep, 2019 07:21 am
@izzythepush,
Actually, Obama’s vetting of Biden started with an inquiry into dirty Hunter, but Biden yelled him off of it, and Obama was beaten back.
izzythepush
 
  3  
Sat 28 Sep, 2019 07:22 am
@Lash,
More unsourced bollocks. Stop playing games.
Lash
 
  0  
Sat 28 Sep, 2019 07:24 am
@izzythepush,
It happened.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/freebeacon.com/politics/flashback-joe-biden-got-angry-when-obama-campaign-vetted-hunter-biden/amp/

Biden loud-talked Obama in the press and O went quiet.

I remembered it. Didn’t you?
revelette1
 
  5  
Sat 28 Sep, 2019 07:32 am
@Lash,
Oh please, Lash, can you get any more transparent? The Free Beacon is a right wing conservative rag which reports misleading and false claims which favors the right wing nuts of the party.
neptuneblue
 
  1  
Sat 28 Sep, 2019 07:32 am
@Lash,
The Washington Free Beacon
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Washington Free Beacon is an American conservative political journalism website launched in 2012. It states that it is "dedicated to uncovering the stories that the powers that be hope will never see the light of day" and producing "in-depth investigative reporting on a wide range of issues, including public policy, government affairs, international security, and media."[1]

The website is financially backed by Paul Singer, an American billionaire hedge fund manager and conservative activist.[2]

History
The Free Beacon was founded by Michael Goldfarb, Aaron Harrison, and Matthew Continetti, who remains its editor-in-chief. It launched on February 7, 2012, as a project of the 501(c)4 organization Center for American Freedom.[3] In August 2014, it announced it was becoming a for-profit news site.[4]

The site is noted for its conservative reporting, modeled after liberal counterparts in the media such as ThinkProgress and Talking Points Memo, intended to publicize stories and influence the coverage of the mainstream media.[3][5][6] Jack Hunter, a staff member of U.S. Senator Rand Paul's office, resigned in 2013 after a Free Beacon report detailing his past as a radio shock jock known as the "Southern Avenger" who wore a luchador mask of the Confederate flag.[7] The publication also broke several stories about former First Lady and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's successful 1975 legal defense of an accused child rapist that attracted national media attention.[5][8] In May 2017, it received an award from The Heritage Foundation for its journalism.[9]

From October 2015 to May 2016, the Washington Free Beacon hired Fusion GPS to conduct opposition research on "multiple candidates" during the 2016 presidential election, including Donald Trump. The Free Beacon stopped funding this research when Donald Trump had clinched the Republican nomination.[10] Fusion GPS would later hire former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele and produce a dossier alleging links between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin. Paul Singer, a billionaire and hedge fund manager, who is a major donor to the Free Beacon, said he was unaware of this dossier until it was published by BuzzFeed in January 2017.[11] On October 27, 2017, the Free Beacon publicly disclosed that it had hired Fusion GPS, and stated that it "had no knowledge of or connection to the Steele dossier, did not pay for the dossier, and never had contact with, knowledge of, or provided payment for any work performed by Christopher Steele."[12]

The Free Beacon came under criticism for its reporting on Fusion GPS. Three days before it was revealed that it was the Free Beacon that had funded the work by Fusion GPS, the Free Beacon wrote that the firm's work “was funded by an unknown GOP client while the primary was still going on."[13] The Free Beacon has also published pieces that have sought to portray the work by Fusion GPS as unreliable "without noting that it considered Fusion GPS reliable enough to pay for its services."[13] In an editor's note, Continetti said "the reason for this omission is that the authors of these articles, and the particular editors who reviewed them, were unaware of this relationship," and that the outlet was reviewing its editorial process to avoid similar issues in the future.[14]

Reception
Jim Rutenburg of The New York Times described the reporting style of the Free Beacon as "gleeful evisceration."[15]

Its tactics have also led to attacks from media critics and watchdog groups. The Atlantic's Conor Friedersdorf called the Free Beacon's mission "decadent and unethical".[16]

Ben Howe wrote in The Daily Beast that the Washington Free Beacon established "itself as a credible source of conservative journalism with deep investigative dives and exposes on money in politics," but that after Trump's election "shifted away from the template they were establishing and more towards the path of least resistance: spending their time criticizing the left and the media, along with healthy doses of opinion writing."[17] McKay Coppins in the Columbia Journalism Review writes of the Free Beacon that while the website contains "a fair amount of trolling... it has also earned a reputation for real-deal journalism...If a partisan press really is the future, we could do worse than the Free Beacon."[18]

Jeet Heer writes in The New Republic of the Free Beacon, "Unlike other comparable conservative websites, the Free Beacon makes an effort to do original reporting. Its commitment to journalism should be welcomed by liberals."[19] In 2015, Mother Jones wrote positively of the Free Beacon, noting that it is far better than contemporary conservative outlets such as The Daily Caller.[20] Mother Jones however noted that "the Beacon hasn’t always steered clear of stories that please the base but don’t really stand up," and that it pieces inflammatory pieces that "push conservatives’ buttons".[20] That same year, the Washingtonian wrote that "The Beacon’s emphasis on news gathering sets it apart among right-facing publications"
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izzythepush
 
  3  
Sat 28 Sep, 2019 07:45 am
@Lash,
I don't live in America. I don't follow the minutiae of American politics. We've got a thing called Brexit going on. You might have heard of it.

Btw, a link to your neo Nazi website proves nothing.

I went on a genuine left wing website and there's absolutely nothing on Biden. That's just something Trump and his supporters want you to focus on.

I did find this.

Quote:
One of the only growing industries in news media right now is factchecking, which promises to differentiate reality from fiction for us in today’s post-truth world of spin and fake news. But factcheckers themselves are not neutral arbiters of truth; like everyone else, they’re individuals and organizations with their own interests and biases. And a case in point is how the media appears intent on trying to factcheck into oblivion everything Democratic presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders says, sometimes with comical results.

The Washington Post (owned by the world’s richest person, Jeff Bezos), for example, claimed that Sanders’s assertion that millions of US residents were working multiple jobs was “misleading” because it was only eight million people, which represented a minority of the workforce, and that many of those extra jobs were part-time. It also gave his statement that six people (one of whom is Bezos) have as much wealth as the bottom half of the world’s population ‘three Pinocchios’ – the designation just below the most egregious lie. This was because, they argued, billionaires’ wealth is tied up in stocks, not money itself, and that most people own essentially nothing. For them, this apparently disproved the Vermont senator’s well-sourced claim.

The Post also attacked the idea that Sanders is supported by ordinary people in an article titled Bernie Sanders Keeps Saying His Average Donation is $27, but His Own Numbers Contradict That. What was the contradiction it found? That the average donation was actually $27.89, not $27. But you’d have to click past the headline and read the article, which the large majority of people do not do, to find that out. And that raises the question: are these constant nickel-and-diming attacks on Sanders a good-faith attempt to reach a broader truth or an attempt to undermine his campaign?


https://www.thecanary.co/us/us-analysis/2019/09/19/the-medias-war-with-bernie-sanders-highlights-the-need-to-factcheck-the-factcheckers/

We have a situation where billionaires are playing fast and loose with the truth in undermining Sanders' campaign, and you don't mention it because you're too busy repeating what Trump says.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Sat 28 Sep, 2019 07:45 am
@revelette1,
Well, rev, Lash relies on those "progressive" "sources".
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revelette1
 
  3  
Sat 28 Sep, 2019 07:50 am
Quote:
There are observers, including critics of President Trump, who are skeptical of the push for impeachment. Not because he hasn’t earned the contempt and sanction of Congress, but because the politics are too risky. Will the public support an impeachment investigation in an election year, or will it turn away in disgust over “dysfunction” in Washington? Does Trump, who thrives on attention and chaos, want impeachment? Does he want his opponents to devote their time and energy to something that can only divide and polarize the public?

Before tackling those questions, let’s look at what has happened since House Democrats committed to an impeachment inquiry.

In a frantic attempt to avoid it, Trump released a reconstruction of his conversation with the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelensky. But instead of vindicating his claim to innocence, the transcript revealed an explicit attempt to coerce the Ukrainian government to meddle in the 2020 election by investigating Joe Biden, the former vice president and current Democratic front-runner.

The result was an even louder call for impeachment, which was itself amplified by the public release of an official whistle-blower complaint describing in greater detail impeachable offenses by the president, with help from his personal lawyer and the attorney general. “In the course of my official duties,” the complaint reads, “I have received information from multiple U.S. Government officials that the President of the United States is using the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the 2020 U.S. election.”

The president’s staunchest allies have tried to defend him. “As to the whistleblower complaint — the transcript speaks for itself — no quid pro quo,” said Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina on Twitter. “The Democrats bought a pig in a poke.”

“Once again, the Democrats, their media mouthpieces and a cabal of leakers are ginning up a fake story, with no regard to the monumental damage they’re causing to our public institutions and to trust in government,”

Representative Devin Nunes of California said during a House Intelligence Committee hearing on Thursday. But other Republicans have taken a “wait and see” approach. Senator Mitt Romney of Utah pronounced himself “deeply troubled” by the revelations. Likewise, Senator Ben Sasse of Nebraska pointed out that “Republicans ought not to be rushing to circle the wagons to say there’s no there there when there’s obviously lots that’s very troubling there.”

Public opinion has also moved away from the president. For months, impeachment opposition polled above support. Now, the trend is heading the other way. According to a recent NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist Poll, registered voters support a formal impeachment inquiry, 49 percent to 48 percent. Politico/Morning Consult shows a tie, 43 percent to 43 percent. But that represents a major swing: just a week earlier, voters opposed impeachment, 49 percent to 36 percent. And in the latest YouGov survey, 55 percent of Americans said they would “strongly” or “somewhat” support an impeachment inquiry if Trump pushed Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden in exchange for military aid.

This gets back to our original questions about the risks of impeachment. The idea that Trump thrives in chaos — that controversy is an asset to his presidency — just isn’t true. Despite his constant bluster, the president can’t take a punch. As soon as it was clear that the House would go after Trump for his actions regarding Ukraine, he panicked — even trying to implicate his vice president in the scandal. “I think you should ask for Vice President Pence’s conversation, because he had a couple of conversations also,” Trump said at a news conference during the United Nations General Assembly meeting in New York on Wednesday.

Since then, he (along with personal lawyer and co-conspirator, Rudy Giuliani) has done little more than lash out, using Twitter to send angry messages about his political opponents. “IT WAS A PERFECT CONVERSATION WITH UKRAINE PRESIDENT!” Trump shouted in a Friday morning tweet. “The Democrats,” he added a few minutes later, “are now to be known as the DO NOTHING PARTY!” Noted.

Trump is at his weakest when he’s in this mood — erratic and angry, consumed by striking back at his political opponents. You can see this in the polling. His job approval is at its worst when he’s mired in controversy. If you are a Democrat, and if you are thinking strategically, you should see impeachment as a valuable advantage for the upcoming election, since it pushes Trump into the kind of behavior that has kept him from reaping the benefits of relative prosperity. It keeps him off balance at exactly the moment — a re-election campaign — that he needs to be steady.

Democrats should also heed the shift in public sentiment: not as a warning, but as encouragement. Given evidence of wrongdoing, voters can be moved.

Further investigation may push even more Americans to back an impeachment trial in the Senate. And if that’s true, then the narrow inquiry apparently favored by Speaker Nancy Pelosi and some Democratic moderates might be the wrong idea. A broad, wide-ranging investigation — a series of methodical, Watergate-style open hearings — keeps the president’s corruption and wrongdoing in view, while putting pressure on an already struggling White House.

Few people who support impeachment believe Donald Trump will be removed from office. If, after inquiry and investigation, the House of Representatives votes to impeach the president, there’s no guarantee that the Senate will even hold a trial of the kind we’ve seen in the past. But Romney and Sasse are instructive. They are hedging their bets. They understand the simple fact that it does not help the Republican Party to defend impeachable activity by the president, and it may even undermine its ability to hold the Senate for another cycle. Democrats will have to fight hard for a Senate majority in 2021; tying the party to a lawless president might be the boost it needs to close the gap.

I admit much of this is speculation. We are in uncharted territory. Only three other presidents ever faced impeachment. Only two were actually impeached. Only one, Andrew Johnson, faced a trial on the eve of an election. There’s no way to predict how this will unfold.

But we aren’t completely in the dark.

We know Trump solicited the head of a foreign government to meddle in the presidential race. We know he tried to cover it up. We know that throughout his term he has used his office to enrich himself and his family with no regard for the public good. We know he abused the power of his office to protect himself from investigation. We know he has used his influence to incite racial and religious hatred against his fellow Americans.

We know, in other words, that Trump is not fit to be president.

Democrats don’t actually have a choice. They have to impeach, regardless of the politics, regardless of where it leads. They have to hold Trump accountable, both on the merits and to set an example for future presidents. And if I’m right, and impeachment sends Trump into new lows (he has already joked about executing spies), then Democrats might help themselves next November by taking this inquiry as far as it can go.


NYT
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Lash
 
  0  
Sat 28 Sep, 2019 07:57 am
@izzythepush,
I mention it plenty. Establishment partisans here make the same $0.87 arguments. It’s a post-truth world. Rather tiring.
revelette1
 
  3  
Sat 28 Sep, 2019 08:06 am
Mark Amodei Is First House Republican to Support Trump Impeachment Inquiry

Quote:
Representative Mark Amodei of Nevada on Friday became the first Republican member of the House of Representatives to back the rapidly escalating impeachment inquiry — but he said he was reserving judgment on whether President Trump should be impeached.

Mr. Amodei, 61, a four-term congressman from Carson City, is the chairman of Trump’s re-election campaign in Nevada, a swing state that the president lost by 27,000 votes to Hillary Clinton in 2016.

He said it made sense for Congress to investigate a whistle-blower’s complaint, made public on Thursday, that Mr. Trump used a July 25 phone call with Ukraine’s president to advance his personal interests, including asking him to look into unsubstantiated allegations of corruption against former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. and his younger son.

Mr. Amodei discussed the impeachment inquiry process during a conference call on Friday with members of the news media from his home state, and in a follow-up statement issued by his office.

“Listen, I want to see what the process produces,” Mr. Amodei said on the conference call, explaining that he had not ruled out impeachment. “And quite frankly, if there’s something there that rises to that level, then guess what, that’s not something that we can have by a Democrat or a Republican.”
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Lash
 
  1  
Sat 28 Sep, 2019 08:07 am
Truthdig states the obvious: Trump and Biden should be investigated for The Ukraine scandal.

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/what-isnt-mentioned-about-the-trump-ukraine-scandal/

The most crucial aspects of the Trump-Ukraine “scandal,” which has led to impeachment proceedings against Donald Trump, are not being told, even by Republicans.

Trump was very likely motivated by politics if he indeed withheld military aid to Ukraine in exchange for Kiev launching an investigation into Democratic presidential frontrunner Joe Biden, though the transcript of the call released by the White House between Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymr Zelinsky does not make certain such a quid-pro-quo.

But what’s not being talked about in the mainstream is the context of this story, which shows that, politics aside, Biden should indeed be investigated in both Ukraine and in the United States.
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Lash
 
  1  
Sat 28 Sep, 2019 08:09 am
@revelette1,
What about The Boston Globe, The Hill, The Atlantic, and progressive standard, Truthdig?

You won’t be able to hide from this.
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izzythepush
 
  3  
Sat 28 Sep, 2019 08:28 am
@Lash,
Would you like to give an example?
 

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