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@blatham,

blatham wrote:

I haven't seen any commentary here yet regarding the debate last night - which I didn't watch. But as regards any opinions on "winners", the NYT has about a dozen of their writers/columnists scoring the participants. What's interesting about those opinions is how varied they are. That's a key reason I almost never watch the things - the subjectivity of any person's reactions, mine included.

All that said, Warren won. I'm sure of it.

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If Bernie was stealing Elizabeth Warren's policies that she had been pushing for literal decades - he'd be called out for it and accused of sexism - for taking ownership for a woman's hard work.

So, why is it ok to do it to the Jewish guy?!

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@edgarblythe,

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So, why is it ok to do it to the Jewish guy?!

Don't go there, edgar. It's not just bullshit, it's vile bullshit.

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@blatham,

And they DO give Bernie credit. I heard them thank Bernie last night at least twice for “taking the lead” on Healthcare. Why can’t Bernie supporters just accept that some people simply like other candidates better than Bernie without making it seem like some kind of underhanded plot or tactic being foisted on their candidate?

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@snood,

Good point. I too like what Berni has done, I also lik what Biden stands for, but with all these guy running (both Dems and Reps) Its the race among the old white farts .

Starting with the TRUMPSTER , theyre all too old .Trumps already demented, and Im not certain that Bien isnt also.
Berni is an ad for his vic presiential partner(who will no oubt have to finish out a first term.
Remember the YEAR OF ZERO curse

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@snood,

It's a good point. Sanders has been instrumental in pushing a certain set of values and goals that are traditional in Dem/lefty politics. But his success in doing so has had the consequence of encouraging other candidates to do the same. This leaves the Bernie camp with a problem - how to differentiate him from those others. And a main thrust in that endeavor is to suggest that all those others are merely faking their credentials as lefties.

But it's not a rational or logical position to take. If, for example, we might seek to pick a leader in the area of ecology and environment, would we have no other proper choice than Rachel Carson? Not to mention that Sanders did not stitch together his policy prescriptions from whole cloth, he too has borrowed from others.

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@snood,

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Why can’t Bernie supporters just accept that some people simply like other candidates better than Bernie without making it seem like some kind of underhanded plot or tactic being foisted on their candidate?

That's a damned good question. Sanders deserves a lot of credit. That doesn't necessarily mean he's going to be everyone's preferred candidate.

I've said a bunch of times that I could vote for him and will if he wins the nomination. But I'm not sure he has the ideological flexibility to deal with all the other political forces which exert power in Washington as he's tended to be a one-man show in Congress — a good show, I might add, just not one with a big cast. As Obama found, having the people's goodwill at your back isn't enough to overcome all the institutional inertia which stymies reform and change. Warning — maritime metaphor on the horizon — it takes more than a single well-intentioned captain to successfully and permanently alter the course of a listing ship of state long-stalled in the doldrums of partisan gridlock.

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@hightor,

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Warning — maritime metaphor on the horizon

Handing in the first paper I'd just written for an anthropology course on Human Origins, I informed my prof that I'd loaded it up with with a rich array of sea metaphors. The expression on his face evidenced an absence of delight.

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I don't get how Bernie Sander's has the support he has in this election cycle. To my mind he comes off as grumpy old man giving us all a lecture regardless if he is right or wrong. Biden did ok, kind of fell off during the night and started rambling a bit, he did good on defending his health care plan. Castro's zinger just came off as rude, plus he was wrong. Harris was in her own world last night laughing at her own jokes. Warren did good and comes off good in comparison to Bernie who just seems to be in a bad mood with a cold. I admit to losing interest on the second hour, but that is what I kind of got myself and what I read on WP and NYT.

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@blatham,

Hey, at least I didn't make reference to the cadaverous "body politic"!

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@blatham,

But actually you should always keep a weather eye on the horizon (petty officer [navigation] 2nd class Walter H.)

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@Walter Hinteler,

Always ! A time-honored, salty aphorism.

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@blatham,

The difference is: Bernie is the only one who will actually fight for the changes he (and everyone else) is promising.

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@hightor,

hightor wrote:

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Why can’t Bernie supporters just accept that some people simply like other candidates better than Bernie without making it seem like some kind of underhanded plot or tactic being foisted on their candidate?

That's a damned good question. Sanders deserves a lot of credit. That doesn't necessarily mean he's going to be everyone's preferred candidate.

I've said a bunch of times that I could vote for him and will if he wins the nomination. But I'm not sure he has the ideological flexibility to deal with all the other political forces which exert power in Washington as he's tended to be a one-man show in Congress — a good show, I might

add, just not one with a big cast. As Obama found, having the

people's goodwill at your back isn't enough to overcome all the institutional inertia which stymies reform and change. Warning — maritime metaphor on the horizon — it takes more than a single well-intentioned captain to successfully and permanently alter the course of a listing ship of state long-stalled in the doldrums of partisan gridlock.

If Sanders supporters had nothing to point to I might concede a bit. It's so blatant, only the willfully blind can fail to see it.

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@hightor,

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Hey, at least I didn't make reference to the cadaverous "body politic"!

That's a lovely sentence.

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@Walter Hinteler,

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But actually you should always keep a weather eye on the horizon

This is misinformation promoted by the shark lobby.

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@Lash,

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Bernie is the only one who will actually fight for the changes he (and everyone else) is promising.

Because he's a magical unicorn. Sorry, he's the magical unicorn. The only one.

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This could make a wonderful children's book...

"The Light Switch and the Orange ****-Gibbon"

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At a campaign rally in North Carolina earlier this week, Donald Trump addressed his policy and shed some light (no pun intended) on why he and his team adopted their latest position.

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"I'm not a vain person, and I know I have no vain people especially these incredible ladies in the front, but I look better under an incandescent light than these crazy lights that are beaming down on us."

Last night, speaking to the House Republican Conference, he did it again.

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"The lightbulb. People said, 'What's with the lightbulb?' I said, 'Here's the story...' And I looked at it -- the bulb that we're being forced to use -- number one, to me, most importantly, the light is no good. I always look orange. And so do you. The light is the worst."

Benen

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I really love Murdoch's Fox News. It's been such a blessing to America.

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Fox host Tomi Lahren suggests that Americans may need to shoot immigrants who are coming to the United States

Lahren: “The people in the middle of this country, we are going to be armed and ready, because we have to have a means to defend ourselves from — who knows who's coming in?”

MM

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@blatham,

🤬

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@glitterbag,

I know.

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