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Olivier5
 
  2  
Fri 23 Aug, 2019 11:17 am
@Baldimo,
Anyway, it's a lie to state "Polsters said Clinton couldn't lose". No statistician can ever say that.
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MontereyJack
 
  2  
Fri 23 Aug, 2019 11:28 am
@Baldimo,
You're still a century out of dare and wrong, as I keep pointing out.
Baldimo
 
  -2  
Fri 23 Aug, 2019 12:02 pm
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
You're still a century out of dare and wrong, as I keep pointing out.

You haven't pointed out anything other than you think the team with the most yards should win the game. Nothing you have pointed out is Constitutional, you want to change the Constitution because your team lost the election. Only losers want to change the rules when they can't win by them.
georgeob1
 
  -1  
Fri 23 Aug, 2019 12:10 pm
A bit of arm waving on all sides here. I'm not aware of any pollster who declared "Clinton couldn't lose" or of any poll that predicted her victory with 100% certainty (an unattainable result of any poll)). However the central tendency of the polls continued throughout the campaign to indicate a Clinton victory in the Electoral College (albeit with slimmer margins as the election date approached). Most political commentators (who usually follow this stuff closely) were also confident of a Clinton victory, as was evidently the candidate herself, who had already made extensive arrangements for a post election victory party which she skipped, evidently in a funk after the unexpected result came in.

I believe Clinton was indeed herself a victim of hubris or an unfounded belief in her inevitable win. The lesson of the unexpected (by most) enthusiasm on the part of ~ 25% of Democrats in the primary for a then largely unknown and long ignored Bernie Sanders appeared to be lost on her; she remained in apparent denial over her e mail violations; and a number of serious related errors on the part of her campaign investments and schedule became quite evident, in retrospect, as the results came in from important Midwestern States.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Fri 23 Aug, 2019 12:30 pm
President Trump on Friday said he was ordering "our great American companies" to "immediately start looking for an alternative to China, including bringing your companies HOME and making your products in the USA."
The U.S. National Retail Federation (NRF) said on Friday it is "unrealistic" for American retailers to move out of China, the world's second-largest economy, as 95% of the world's consumers live outside the United States.

Socialism, btw, is an economic system in which the government controls production.

glitterbag
 
  4  
Fri 23 Aug, 2019 12:43 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
When the King of Israel has a vision, the dunderheads bow their heads.
Olivier5
 
  2  
Fri 23 Aug, 2019 12:54 pm
Petition to rename Fifth Avenue in front of Trump Tower: "President Barack H. Obama Avenue"

To be delivered to New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio, New York City Council

We request the stretch of Fifth Avenue between 56th and 57th Streets be renamed "President Barack H. Obama Avenue." Any addresses on that stretch of Fifth Avenue should be changed accordingly.

441,230 signatures. NEW goal - We need 450,000!

Background

The City of Los Angeles recently honored former President Barack Obama by renaming a stretch of the 134 Freeway near Downtown L.A. in his honor.

We request the New York City Mayor and City Council do the same by renaming a block of Fifth Avenue after the former president whose many accomplishments include: saving our nation from the Great Recession; serving two completely scandal-free terms in office; and taking out Osama bin Laden, the mastermind behind September 11th, which killed over 3,000 New Yorkers.

Edit [Moderator]: Link removed
izzythepush
 
  2  
Fri 23 Aug, 2019 01:16 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:

When the King of Israel has a vision, the dunderheads bow their heads.


Not wanting to get religious or anything, but Trump is acting quite a lot book of revelationsy at the moment. And not in a good way either. You know who's looking really bad right now?

The Antichrist, I thought he was supposed to be smart, erudite, but it turns out he's a total fuckwit.
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neptuneblue
 
  1  
Fri 23 Aug, 2019 01:22 pm
Dow drops more than 500 points after Trump tweets on China, Fed
Anneken Tappe
By Anneken Tappe, CNN Business

Updated 2:59 PM ET, Fri August 23, 2019

New York (CNN Business)Volatile trading rocked the Dow on Friday, after President Donald Trump responded to new retaliatory tariffs from China and criticized the US Federal Reserve.

The stock index fell more than 500 points, or 2%, after Trump tweeted he "will be responding to China's tariffs this afternoon."
"We don't need China and, frankly, would be far better off without them," he said. He also "ordered" American companies "to immediately start looking for an alternative to China."

Prior to the market open, China announced new retaliatory tariffs that will impact $75 billion worth of US goods and range from 5% to 10%. The tariffs will also include US oil imports. On top of that, China will resume its 25% tariffs on US car imports. The move was the latest escalation in the ongoing US-China trade war.

US oil prices fell in response, last down 2.1% at $58.67 a barrel.
Stocks, which have been volatile throughout the day, dropped sharply following Trump's tweets. The S&P 500 (SPX) and the Nasdaq Composite (COMP) fell 2.1% and 2.7%, respectively.

The US dollar, measured by the ICE U.S. Dollar Index, dropped 0.5%, and the yield on the 10-year US Treasury rate fell to 1.51%. The yield curve again inverted Friday, meaning that shorter-dated 2-year bonds yield more than longer-dated 10-year bonds. This has been a historic recession indicator.
The market's volatility gauge, the CBOE Volatility Index, or Vix, shot up by nearly 26%, and CNN's Fear and Greed index moved from 'fear' to 'extreme fear'.

The trade spat overshadowed the annual Federal Reserve symposium at Jackson Hole, at which Fed Chairman Jerome Powell reaffirmed his pledge to act as 'appropriate' in the eye of tricky economic conditions.

Powell acknowledged that the economy had grown more turbulent, adding that fitting uncertainty about trade into the central bank's framework poses a new challenge. Powell didn't comment on future interest rate cuts.

Expectations for a quarter-percentage point rate cut in September slipped to 95% from nearly 100% earlier, according to the CME's FedWatch tool.
Trump, who has long called on the Fed to cut interest rates more aggressively, tweeted "as usual, the Fed did NOTHING." He added "my only question is, who is our bigger enemy, Jay Powell or Chairman Xi," referring to China's President Xi Jinping."

One analyst called the remarks a "blistering outburst."

"The market is speculating whether Trump will take direct action to weaken the greenback," said Jane Foley, senior FX strategist at Rabobank in a note. "This would mark a significant change in policy for the US Treasury and would undoubtedly be met with significant criticism from other G7 nations."
Dan Suzuki, portfolio strategist at Richard Bernstein Advisors, said "Things are escalating in the wrong direction."

"It is negative you have this growing pressure that makes the Fed's job a bit more complicated and slightly increases the pressure to try to remove Jay Powell," Suzuki said.

Earlier in the day, St. Louis Fed President James Bullard talked monetary policy as the day in Jackson Hole is getting under way. Bullard spoke out in favor of interest rate cuts on CNBC given the recent inversion of the Treasury yield curve.

In the minutes from last month's central bank meeting, released Wednesday, the July rate cut was described a mid-cycle adjustment rather than the beginning of an easing cycle.
engineer
 
  3  
Fri 23 Aug, 2019 01:42 pm
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:

... and CNN's Fear and Greed index moved from 'fear' to 'extreme fear'.

I had never heard of this before so I had to look it up. It's pretty funny. Apparently the market jumps around from fear to greed and back to fear on a regular basis.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Fri 23 Aug, 2019 07:07 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
You're still a century out of date and wrong, as I keep pointing out.

I haven't seen anything out of date in his posts, or wrong in his posts. I've also not seen you point out any errors in his posts.
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Builder
 
  1  
Fri 23 Aug, 2019 08:51 pm
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
They said she would win the pop vote narrowly.


From Vox.com

Quote:
Polls (still) point to a solid Hillary Clinton victory over Donald Trump
By Andrew [email protected] Oct 27, 2016, 12:40pm


and again...

Quote:
We’ve been avidly following general election polls for months, and now their final verdict is in — Hillary Clinton leads Donald Trump by 3 to 4 points nationally, and leads in enough states to give her the presidency.


And from Reuters

Quote:
NEW YORK (Reuters) - With hours to go before Americans vote, Democrat Hillary Clinton has about a 90 percent chance of defeating Republican Donald Trump in the race for the White House, according to the final Reuters/Ipsos States of the Nation project.


and from yougov...

Quote:
Kathy Frankovic
The presidential campaign ends in a familiar place, with a modest lead for Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump

Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton maintains her small but steady lead in the final Economist/YouGov Poll to be released before Tuesday’s election, and she remains on track to be the first female U.S. President in history. This poll confirms much of what was seen throughout the fall campaign. Clinton leads GOP candidate Trump among likely voters 45% to 41%, with Libertarian Gary Johnson and Green Party nominee Jill Stein garnering 5% and 2%, respectively.
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blatham
 
  1  
Fri 23 Aug, 2019 09:50 pm
@engineer,
Quote:
Apparently the market jumps around from fear to greed and back to fear on a regular basis.
Me too. Though there are interim stops at lust and drunkenness.
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MontereyJack
 
  3  
Fri 23 Aug, 2019 11:08 pm
@Baldimo,
That's nonsense. The EC perfectly constititutionally is now required by law top vote in 48 of the 50 states and dc for the winner of the POPULAR vote in that state, and it's been that way for decades. That's the law. I had nothing to do with it. The 48 states ALL decided it for themselves. You may not like it. Tough. That's the law. Since the EC in disputed elections has fiven us a genocidal slave trader as a president and cemented the end of Reconstruction, which le3ad to a century plus of racisr dominance in th 19th and 20th century, and the two worst presidents in a century, discontent with its anti-democratic sway is increasing, and the NPVC is a reaction, again consrirurional, against it. It may not pass, in chich case, based on its past record, we'll see more incredibly fucked up EC decisions. And the GOP looks like the're determined to look the other way when the Russians do their damned est again to sway the election for their puppet.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Fri 23 Aug, 2019 11:23 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
The EC perfectly constititutionally is now required by law top vote in 48 of the 50 states and dc for the winner of the POPULAR vote in that state,

There are some judges who disagree with your claim of constitutionality:
http://apnews.com/5c31277ba2cf43ada82048662eb8b31c

I have not studied either the issue or the ruling, so cannot weigh in on whether the judges are correct or not. But it might be an interesting case to keep tabs on if it is appealed to higher courts.
MontereyJack
 
  3  
Fri 23 Aug, 2019 11:28 pm
@oralloy,
Yeah, one appeals court just ruled against it, howecer the laws have been on the books for years and they have also been ruled constitutional too, so SCOTUS may have to get involved. Since the constitution only says the EC exists, my bet is for constitutionality.
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izzythepush
 
  1  
Sat 24 Aug, 2019 03:49 am
What the Greenlanders think of Trump's proposal.

Quote:
This week has seen one of the most bizarre diplomatic rows of Donald Trump's presidency.

Insults have been exchanged, tweets have been sent, major visits have been cancelled - and this all happened because the US president said he wanted to buy Greenland.

It started with an article in the Wall Street Journal which, quoting sources, claimed the US president had "with varying degrees of seriousness, repeatedly expressed interest in buying the ice-covered autonomous Danish territory". Initially dismissed by many as rumour, the claims were later confirmed by Mr Trump himself.

Denmark's prime minister Mette Frederiksen was swift and unambiguous in her response, calling his idea of buying the island "absurd". Shortly afterwards, Mr Trump cancelled a state visit to Denmark that had been planned for 2 September, accusing Ms Frederiksen of being "nasty".

So, what do Greenlanders make of all of this?

"This is a very dangerous idea," Dines Mikaelsen, a tour operator who was born and raised in Tasiilaq, East Greenland, told the BBC.

The US has had a military presence in Greenland since World War Two, with numerous military bases across the island, including a secret Cold War-era nuclear base called Camp Century.

This presence has been extremely controversial. Almost all of these bases lie abandoned in remote Greenland locations. In the case of Camp Century, there are fears that the rapidly melting ice on which it was built will expose the environment to nuclear waste within decades.

Only Thule Air Base remains - and while Thule is best known in the US for being placed in a strategically important location, in Greenland, it is associated with the displacement of the indigenous Inughuit community, who in 1953 were given four days to leave their homes to make way for the base's expansion.

For Mr Mikaelsen, this was all at the front of his mind when he heard of President Trump's ambitions.

"We have so many [US] military bases that have been left for many many years, and you can see the rust everywhere... they have left so much trash in Greenland," he said.

The remains of one decaying World War Two base, Bluie East Two, is about 59km (37 miles) from his hometown Tasiilaq.

"They also move people without asking them," he added, describing the expropriation of the Inughuits. "If they [the US] buy Greenland, they would just move people around and build it up with military bases... our population is only 56,000, and for me, this is very scary."

Aleqa Hammond, who was Greenland's first female prime minister and later chair of the Greenland Committee in the Danish Parliament, tells the BBC that this is a common feeling among the island's residents.

"The American presence in Greenland is not to the benefit of Greenlanders," she said. "Even though America said, and Denmark said, that the expansion [of the Thule Air Base in 1953] was just in case there was an attack from Russia... we see it differently. We never asked Americans to come. Denmark allowed them to come and build an air base.

"Then, the Americans and Denmark together only gave the Inughuit people four days to move out of their homes, and told them that if they didn't move out they would demolish their houses - because [they said] it was important that they built the air strip right then, because the Cold War was going on.

"This is the way Americans have been treating the Greenlanders, and of course, even though it was many years ago, it's still part of our history with America."

Then there's the issue of President Trump himself.

Ms Hammond said Mr Trump's blunt proposal showed a lack of sensitivity to this history, and that his attitude to Greenland was "very arrogant".

"He's treating us like a good he can purchase," she said. "He's not even talking to Greenland - he's talking to Denmark about buying Greenland."

Ebbe Volquardsen, a professor of culture and social history at the University of Greenland, raises the same question: "Trump is talking about buying Greenland, but the first question is, who is he buying it from?

"Then it turned out that he wanted to buy it from Denmark, as if Greenland is the property of Denmark," he told the BBC. "Which of course is not the case."

When Prof Volquardsen, along with the rest of the world, realised that President Trump was not joking about buying Greenland, it dawned on him that it was "a very serious matter".

"The President of the United States is not recognising a people's right to self-determination," he says, adding that this ironically comes just after the 10th anniversary of the 2009 Self-Government Act in Denmark, which legally recognised Greenlanders' right to self-determination. "It's very disrespectful to many people here in Greenland."

He feels the Danish prime minister, however, was "very professional" in the way she dealt with the request: "[Ms Frederiksen] made clear from the beginning that Greenland is not for sale, and she also made clear that it is not for Denmark to decide."

And if the US were to take control of Greenland, it would be "devastating" for the island's welfare system, Greenlandic politician Aaja Chemnitz Larsen told the BBC.

Ms Larsen, who represents one of two seats for Greenland in the Danish parliament, said it would be "really difficult to see how an American system would ensure the inequality in Greenland would be lower in the future", compared to the island's current Nordic model for welfare.

But she believes that, despite the odd way this story has unfolded, this opportunity could be turned into a positive.

"I think it's important to be constructive and to look forward, and to look at the clear interest there is from the US in Greenland," she said.

"Could it be something that we could [use to] focus much more on collaboration on other issues instead? For example when it comes to business development in Greenland, investment in our industries, or exchange programmes for students in Greenland and the US.

"I think it's important to look beyond the fact that it's Trump who's the president of the United States right now, and to look ahead and be constructive instead. That's at least how I see it."


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49436197
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Sat 24 Aug, 2019 07:27 am
@izzythepush,
Trump ‘hereby’ orders U.S. business out of China. Can he do that?
Quote:
Some see Trump’s command as more than ‘cheap talk,’ saying he has real tools to encourage compliance.
[...]
https://i.imgur.com/jqTC0E2.jpg

Trump does not have the authority to “duly order” companies to leave China, according to Jennifer Hillman, a Georgetown University law professor and trade expert at the Council on Foreign Relations.

But under the law he cited, Trump can prevent future transfers of funds to China, she said. First, he would have to make "a lawful declaration that a national emergency exists,” she said.

Congress could terminate the declaration if it wishes, she said.

“Moreover, even if all this happened, it would not provide authority over all of the U.S. investments that have already been made in China,” Hillman said.

Other trade experts said Trump does have powerful tools at his disposal to encourage companies to leave.

They include continuing to hike tariffs on imports from China, as Trump did again on Friday. The White House could also try to punish companies by cutting them out of federal procurement deals, economists said.

“The tweet isn’t entirely cheap talk,” said Derek Scissors, a China expert at the American Enterprise Institute, a think tank partly funded by industry.
[...]
“Companies would love to find alternate sources, but it can’t happen overnight,” said Jonathan Gold, vice president of supply chain and customs policy at the National Retail Federation. “And even when it does, unfortunately a lot of that [manufacturing] won’t come back to the United States. We agree that China has been a bad actor, but we need to get back to the table and work out a trade deal.”

Some analysts saw Trump’s tweets as a particularly aggressive move against Apple and other tech companies, which manufacture many of their goods in China. Dan Ives of Wedbush Securities called Trump’s command “a clear shot across the bow at Apple and the semi space,” referring to the semiconductor sector.
[...]
China, because of its sheer size, is also an important market for iPhone sales, compounding Apple’s reluctance to disrupt its manufacturing presence there. In the third fiscal quarter of 2019, the country was responsible for $9.19 billion of Apple’s revenue, compared with $25 billion in the Americas.

Plenty of other industries rely on China, too. Delta Children, a U.S. manufacturer of baby furniture, makes about 80 percent of its products in China.

Joe Shamie, the company’s president, said that he has tried in recent months to move production to other countries, including Indonesia, Malaysia and Vietnam, but that factories in those countries are already saturated with orders.

He has also tried to find ways to manufacture mattresses in the United States, he said, but would need about $1 million worth of machinery from China, which is now subject to the Trump administration’s recent 25 tariffs on imports.

“I’m trying my best, and now you want to tax me on the machinery I need to manufacture in the United States? That’s real smart,” he said. “This has been a disaster.”

Columbia Sportswear says it began moving its manufacturing out of China about 15 years ago as cheaper alternatives emerged in other parts of Asia and Africa. The company now sources from 19 countries but still gets about 10 percent of its imports from China.

“It’s not the cheapest place in the world to make stuff anymore, but the merchandise that still comes from China is very specialized and can’t be moved easily,” said Timothy Boyle, the company’s chief executive.

LiteGear Bags used to manufacture all of its luggage and accessories in China. In recent months, founder Raible says she has spent tens of thousands of dollars moving about one-third of the company’s operations to Cambodia.

“It was an incredibly difficult process,” she said. “It took them months to get up to speed. I mean, this was a factory that was making sunglass pouches and all of a sudden I’m asking them to make shoulder bags, packing cubes and backpacks.”

The majority of her products continue to come from China, and she said the Trump administration’s tariffs have caused import duties to rise to 42.6 percent on many of her items, up from 17.6 percent less than a year ago. She’s had to lay off her staff of six, and now relies on hourly contractors to help with accounting, shipping and graphic design.

“I’m fighting tooth and nail to hang on,” she said.

Trump himself has long capitalized on foreign manufacturing, particularly in China, for the production of Trump brand merchandise.

In the retail shop operated by the Trump Organization in the back of Trump’s D.C. hotel, golf caps and travel coffee mugs emblazoned with the Trump name and made in China are still offered for sale, alongside other products produced in Indonesia, Vietnam and other countries.
... ... ...
snood
 
  2  
Sat 24 Aug, 2019 07:52 am
@Walter Hinteler,
There are a half dozen other instances of him “hereby” ordering something. All equally specious and batty.
izzythepush
 
  2  
Sat 24 Aug, 2019 08:05 am
@snood,
snood wrote:

There are a half dozen other instances of him “hereby” ordering something. All equally specious and batty.


Even the McDonalds.
 

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