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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
roger
 
  1  
Fri 16 Aug, 2019 11:34 am
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:

You've met Builder?


Walter!
hightor
 
  3  
Fri 16 Aug, 2019 11:35 am
@Baldimo,
Quote:
You will notice the media doesn't give a good stock market much play...

No, I haven't noticed that. Its coverage in the press is commensurate with its importance, often accompanied by the comment that "the stock market is not the economy".
Quote:
(...) or the trade deals that get signed...

The USMCA got significant coverage, as did the trade deals with South Korea and Vietnam. No, trade deals aren't going to be treated as headline news every goddamned day, but they get mentioned when newsworthy — along with the administration's stupid withdrawal from the TPP, which has given China's Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership a big boost.

Quit whining just because Trump's missteps and blunders get more attention than his accomplishments — he says, and does, a lot of stupid things. Of course if he kept his mouth shut and stopped tweeting, the media would just have more space to discuss his paltry record of actually making trade deals and the negative consequences of his tariffs. Be careful what you wish for.
Baldimo
 
  -1  
Fri 16 Aug, 2019 11:48 am
@hightor,
I disagee with you assessment. The media hyped every little thing Obama did to make them seem like greater "victories" for his reelection, the media loved Obama and covered his ass. They are doing the exact opposite with Trump since they don't like him and didn't vote for him. They hype the things that don't really matter and give just enough coverage to the good things to say they covered them. Your utter refusal to see the bias in the media is disheartening. What am I thinking, you agree with the media, so of course you don't see the bias.
izzythepush
 
  1  
Fri 16 Aug, 2019 12:05 pm
@roger,
Messe Dinkum!
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hightor
 
  3  
Fri 16 Aug, 2019 12:30 pm
@Baldimo,
Quote:
The media hyped every little thing Obama did to make them seem like greater "victories" for his reelection, the media loved Obama and covered his ass.

Give an example of media hype over some representative "little thing" that Obama did. You know, Trump's actual performance might have something to do with the kind of coverage he gets. And when I say "performance" I mean his demeanor and comportment as well as his accomplishments. Trump plays to a particular audience, he bungles his words, he repeats himself, he deliver teleprompted speeches like a zombie. He's not that spectacular. However "disheartened" you may feel because I don't see things the way you do — and I doubt that it affects you that much — is nothing compared to disappointment felt by the majority of people in the USA and by most of our longtime allies around the world. The guy's a laughing stock — and you want the media to portray him as a hero — talk about bias!
RABEL222
 
  4  
Fri 16 Aug, 2019 12:38 pm
@georgeob1,
Neither of which were countries.
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izzythepush
 
  2  
Fri 16 Aug, 2019 12:38 pm
Around the turn of the century there was a public poll on who was the greatest Briton. After a few rounds of voting with various celebrities making their televised pitch for their choice Winston Churchill won.

In America the winner was Ronald Reagan. At the same time we were asked who we thought the greatest American was. In light of Reagan's racism I think we made the right choice.

We chose this guy.

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RABEL222
 
  2  
Fri 16 Aug, 2019 12:44 pm
@neptuneblue,
I think this would be run through congress. If it were possible that Iceland would be interested in being acquired by by trump.
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Baldimo
 
  0  
Fri 16 Aug, 2019 12:51 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
and you want the media to portray him as a hero — talk about bias!

I never said portray him as a hero, I'm saying give him a fair shake. They spent 3 years calling him a traitor and and more than a year on a porn star with a now indicted creepy lawyer. Bias? Yes, bias. The Dem machine calls him a racist and all the media report on Trumps racist behavior. The BS about the "fine people" is still being pushed by the media. I'll say it again, bias.
georgeob1
 
  -2  
Fri 16 Aug, 2019 01:06 pm
@hightor,
I believe the media was indeed infatuated with Obama, and that his skill in voicing his generally abstract goals and values aided both in that process. In terms of concrete achievements Obama's words were generally far more effective than his actual actions, as with his wasteful and ineffective post recession stimulus plan, rather passive acceptance of generally adverse arrangements with Iran, China and Europe, and the several serious flaws in his healthcare plan. Obama also avoided action on other risky or difficult issues, including immigration, covering his inaction with generally skillful but vague rhetoric.

In comparison Trump is a pragmatist who has not hesitated engaging difficult and politically risky issues, but is also coarse and often vulgar in his communications, and not nearly as good as was Obama in rhetorically synthesizing his goals and priorities relative to other issues (in other words political double talk).

I think there is little doubt that most of the established media favor liberal politician over conservative ones. In our currently polarized political world the cable networks have degenerated to propaganda machines with a fairly successful Fox pitted against CNN, MSNBC. PBS and all the others, while most prominent print media strongly oppose Trump. I believe that, and a general tendency to favor politicians who speak well and appear sophisticated, constitutes the main differences of the media treatment of Trump, compared to his predecessors.

Trump has managed to lower taxes, cut through some of the worst elements of the undemocratic regulatory regime that has been gradually strangling economic initiatives in this country, and significantly stimulate increased economic growth - all significant accomplishments that his predecessors failed to even address. He has also squarely addressed a long festering immigration issue that was rapidly degenerating to chaos, and has at least stabilized the situation.

In the current situation the Democrats have reverted even more to abstract rhetoric about curing some fundamental and enduring flaws in human nature and behavior, somehow without appreciating their dangerously totalitarian character. Meanwhile Trump, despite all the clumsy rhetoric, has substantial achievements under his belt that have real meaning and significance to the lives of a very large fraction of our population, including many who generally oppose him.

Interestingly some very similar political conflicts are playing out in Europe, from the UK, to France, Italy, Greece and even Germany.

We shall see soon enough which will prevail in the coming election. My bet is on Trump.
MontereyJack
 
  3  
Fri 16 Aug, 2019 01:06 pm
@Baldimo,
And I'll say if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.........
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hightor
 
  2  
Fri 16 Aug, 2019 01:23 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
We shall see soon enough which will prevail in the coming election. My bet is on Trump.

I agree; he may emerge victorious. But I don't think he will win a majority of the popular vote.
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InfraBlue
 
  2  
Fri 16 Aug, 2019 01:35 pm
@Builder,
Builder wrote:

Quote:
your strawman argument?


Can you expand on this fantasy of yours?

The FBI were in collusion with Clinton.

You have a problem comprehending this fact?


Have trouble staying on topic, much?
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Baldimo
 
  0  
Fri 16 Aug, 2019 01:38 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
Interestingly some very similar political conflicts are playing out in Europe, from the UK, to France, Italy, Greece and even Germany.

You will want to add Hong Kong to that list. I have friends there who have only indicated via facebook that they are ok. I wouldn't push them for more, you never know who is looking over their digital shoulder in that part of the world. China looks to be putting troops and APC's near the border.
hightor
 
  2  
Fri 16 Aug, 2019 01:43 pm
@Baldimo,
The struggle in Hong Kong isn't even remotely like those playing out in Europe.
hightor
 
  3  
Fri 16 Aug, 2019 01:46 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
Trump has managed to lower taxes, cut through some of the worst elements of the undemocratic regulatory regime that has been gradually strangling economic initiatives in this country, and significantly stimulate increased economic growth - all significant accomplishments that his predecessors failed to even address.

Yeah he irresponsibly juiced the economy, increased the deficit, and kicked painful choices about climate down the road for future administrations to deal with. A real visionary.
Baldimo
 
  0  
Fri 16 Aug, 2019 02:05 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
The struggle in Hong Kong isn't even remotely like those playing out in Europe.

Your right, they have only been protesting in Hong Kong for a few weeks, they have been protesting in France for almost 9 months now. The reasons might be different, but the struggle is just the same, pretesting against what they see as injustice and wanting change. What's going on in Hong Kong is classical freedom vs communism. Have you seen the reports of protesters waving the US flag and singing our National Anthem?
georgeob1
 
  -2  
Fri 16 Aug, 2019 03:53 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Yeah he irresponsibly juiced the economy, increased the deficit, and kicked painful choices about climate down the road for future administrations to deal with. A real visionary.[/quote
I'm not aware than any country in the world has yet made the "painful choices" required by AGW zealots. Indeed of all the signatories to the Paris accord were to meet their pledged goals the effect on CO2 accumulation in the atmosphere would ne negligible.

The truth is that in the least few years the United States has reduced its emissions by a good deal more than have any of the Paris accord signatories through the very large scale replacement of coal by natural gas.

One of these "painful choices" will certainly be to resume larger scale production of electrical power by new nuclear reactors. The pain in this case will be chiefly be with the AGW zealots who plan to impoverish all the rest of us and to force a reduction in the world's population.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Fri 16 Aug, 2019 05:33 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:
One of these "painful choices" will certainly be to resume larger scale production of electrical power by new nuclear reactors. The pain in this case will be chiefly be with the AGW zealots who plan to impoverish all the rest of us and to force a reduction in the world's population.

Yes. Exactly.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Fri 16 Aug, 2019 10:56 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Grace 1: US issues warrant to seize Iranian oil supertanker
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The US Justice Department has issued a warrant to seize a detained Iranian oil tanker, a day after a judge in Gibraltar ordered it to be released.
[...]
Washington claims it can seize Grace 1, and all of the oil on board, based on alleged violations of the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, bank fraud, money laundering, and terrorism statutes.

It has also ordered $995,000 (£818,000) to be seized from an account at an unnamed US bank linked to Paradise Global Trading LLC, which the US claims is associated with businesses that act for Iran's Revolutionary Guards.
[...]
Gibraltar's government said it had received assurances from Iran that Grace 1 would not sail to countries "subject to European Union sanctions" - that is, Syria.

The British territory's chief minister Fabian Picardo added: "We have deprived the Assad regime in Syria of more than $140m worth of crude oil."

After a judge ordered the tanker's release, Mr Picardo earlier told the BBC that the vessel would be able to leave as soon as the logistics had been figured out: "Could be today, could be tomorrow."

Neither Britain nor Gibraltar have responded to the US warrant.


The Grac 1 shifted position on Friday, last night and this morning, but is still inside Gibratar territory in the "Gibraltar West West Anchor Side"

https://i.imgur.com/duZSoLy.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/lodFIOS.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/l8OHzcq.jpg

According to the Gibraltar Chronicle, six crewmen including a new captain are scheduled to arrive this weekend. Logistical arrangements are currently being put in place by the vessel's owners so it could sail off this weekend.
 

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